Should we make any more cuts

[iLoveMyBoys]

If we cut:

Greg Toler-we save 5.5million

Dwqell Jackson-we save 5million

Donald Thomas-we save 3.25million

Erik Walden-we save 3.75million

Trent Richardson-we save 3.18million

Gosder Cherilus as a June 1st would save us about 4million

Do/Should we cut any more players?

I would personally like to cut Donald Thomas and Trent Richardson 1st and foremost obviously.

But I would also like to see Gosder Cherilus and Dwqell Jackson gone as well as i think they are easily replaceable and upgradeable IMO.

There are some nice RT out there in free agency most notably Bryan Bulaga and Joe Barksdale as well as the draft. I would cut Jackson because there a lot of ILB in this class to replace him with a young stud and save money.

I know Dwqell Jackson made the pro bowl last year but it was as an alternate selection. Plus I think he's head over hills and washed up and he cant cover. Lastly all the tackles he had was great but they were mostly after the RB had already picked up a nice gain.

Lets upgrade that RT position with someone produce and stay healthy and lets upgrade the ILB position by getting a young thumper with athleticism to cover in there.

Any thoughts on what we should do as for as cuts go?

[PrincetonTiger]

The Colts should not release DQ

[iLoveMyBoys]

The Colts should not release DQ

DQ is average at best Jerrell Freeman can tackle and cover better than him at this point and with this ILB class of young thumpers i would cut ties.

For the money we gave him tell me one stat that he helped significantly upgrade. Our defense was basically the same before we even signed him. I say go get a young stud

[12isthenew18]

we lose 5m on DQ

[iLoveMyBoys]

we lose 5m on DQ

According to my bleacher report app on my phone yes we do.

[COLTS449]

Again why would we create more holes by cutting DQ and Toler? We already have enough holes to fill. Toler was really good this past season. He and Vontae are one of the best CB duo's in the league. We just need a playmaking ILB, who can cover TE's and RB's next to DQ to have a really good ILB duo. I literally just posted this in another thread lol.

[04DarkShadowGT]

DQ is average at best Jerrell Freeman can tackle and cover better than him at this point and with this ILB class of young thumpers i would cut ties.

For the money we gave him tell me one stat that he helped significantly upgrade. Our defense was basically the same before we even signed him. I say go get a young stud

I mean he was sixth in the entire NFL in tackles.  

 

140 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 FF fumble, 4 Fumble recoveries, and 1 TD.

 

You want to get rid of him because he is average?  He isnt JJ Watt but get out of her man. 

 

You should submit your resume to all 32 teams as a possible GM candidate, don't forget to include you have a bleacher report app on your resume.

[iLoveMyBoys]

Again why would we create more holes by cutting DQ and Toler? We already have enough holes to fill. Toler was really good this past season. He and Vontae are one of the best CB duo's in the league. We just need a playmaking ILB, who can cover TE's and RB's next to DQ to have a really good ILB duo. I literally just posted this in another thread lol.

I never said cut Toler i love Toler it was a question to see others think the thread is called(Should we make any more cuts) not cut everybody and start from scratch i dont think you read one thing i wrote above.

[Bluefire4]

We don't gain 5 million from cutting Jackson. And I think that Thomas will take a pay cut and Trent will be cut but we won't be getting that money anyway.

[iLoveMyBoys]

I mean he was sixth in the entire NFL in tackles.

140 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 FF fumble, 4 Fumble recoveries, and 1 TD.

You want to get rid of him because he is average? He isnt JJ Watt but get out of her man.

You should submit your resume to all 32 teams as a possible GM candidate, don't forget to include you have a bleacher report app on your resume.

Lol I see you have a few jokes but like i said i dont see where he actually improved our defense at all. I did see him chasing a lot of RBs and TEs from behind tho which hurt our defense which made us vulnerable over the middle.

[wig]

Yeah, let's cut DQ, Toler and Walden that way we don't even have serviceable to good players at those positions.  Ridiculous.

[iLoveMyBoys]

Yeah, let's cut DQ, Toler and Walden that way we don't even have serviceable to good players at those positions. Ridiculous.

Is anybody actually reading the title of the thread and what i wrote because i dont think are. Those numbers are up there only stating what we could save if they were to be actually cut.

If you read anything i said i was only in favor in cutting Richardson, Thomas, DQ, and GC not the whole starting 5.

I just signed up for this forum only a week ago and im starting to realize that alot of guys our really harsh, dont read thoroughly, and nobody can say anything about Peyton Manning and his one ring.

[iLoveMyBoys]

I think you guys should 1st read the thread title and read what the thread maker actually said before you guys read the last comment and start jumping ship and trying to get thread locked which already happened to me once.

[aaron11]

DQ is average at best Jerrell Freeman can tackle and cover better than him at this point and with this ILB class of young thumpers i would cut ties.

 

average is good enough to stay, and this is not a good class for ILB at all.

[wig]

Is anybody actually reading the title of the thread and what i wrote because i dont think are. Those numbers are up there only stating what we could save if they were to be actually cut.

If you read anything i said i was only in favor in cutting Richardson, Thomas, DQ, and GC not the whole starting 5.

I just signed up for this forum only a week ago and im starting to realize that alot of guys our really harsh, dont read thoroughly, and nobody can say anything about Peyton Manning and his one ring.

 

Asking about those three getting cut is about as productive as asking if Luck should be cut.  Neither are going to happen.

[iLoveMyBoys]

average is good enough to stay, and this is not a good class for ILB at all.

Wow really and i guess this ILB class is weak because of combine results get real go look at the tape like Paul Dawson from TCU said.

Yea DQ is serviceable but we can do better if not get the same production from a rookie on lower salary.

[BullsColtsFan1]

Richardson and Donald Thomas from that list

[csmopar]

Keep Toler....he's a solid number 2...

[ProblChld32]

Those are some big names you  have up there bro

 

Trent - Yes

 

Thomas - Maybe (health concerns)

 

Cherilus  - Maybe (health concerns)

 

Everyone else - NO, we should be trying to fill voids not create.them.

[PhillyCOLTSfan]

why do ppl keep wanting to cut dqwell like he didnt lead our team in tackles 

[iLoveMyBoys]

Richardson and Donald Thomas from that list

Your one of the very few that actually read my thread title and what i had to say. Nobody else gets it

[jtrester]

The only move I'd make right now is cutting Trent. He has been a complete waste. Use that for more defense. We need D-Line and a pass rush. That solves the issue. I'm happy with who we have unless a better alternative presents itself, i.e. If you can get a better player than D'qwell than you make a move. You don't burn the bridge before you decide how you move on from there.

[Colts_Fan12]

I don't see why everyone is bashing this guy for wanting to cut DQ. We could get a ILB like Kendricks to pair with Freeman what would we need DQ for he is very poor in coverage.

[iLoveMyBoys]

The only move I'd make right now is cutting Trent. He has been a complete waste. Use that for more defense. We need D-Line and a pass rush. That solves the issue. I'm happy with who we have unless a better alternative presents itself, i.e. If you can get a better player than D'qwell than you make a move. You don't burn the bridge before you assess how you move on from there.

Totally agree with you and i think there are some quality ILB in this draft. Like Paul Dawson said he is a football player not a track star and im sure DQ couldnt beat anyone of them coming out this year. I think his replacement could come in the draft if Grigs lets him ago which i dont think he will.

[iLoveMyBoys]

I don't see why everyone is bashing this guy for wanting to cut DQ. We could get a ILB like Kendricks to pair with Freeman what would we need DQ for he is very poor in coverage.

That's all i was trying to say. DQ is only serviceable at best and i think a young stud could give you the same stats as well as cover unlike DQ on a rookie contract

[Colts_Fan12]

That's all i was trying to say. DQ is only serviceable at best and i think a young stud could give you the same stats as well as cover unlike DQ on a rookie contract

most of his tackles were after the RB had gained a decent amount of yards anyway. I'd take less tackles for better coverage play

[Luck_Is_Skilled]

These aren't cuts so to speak but I want no parts of Reitz, Gordy or Studebaker.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

If we cut:

Greg Toler-we save 5.5million

Dwqell Jackson-we save 5million

Donald Thomas-we save 3.25million

Erik Walden-we save 3.75million

Trent Richardson-we save 3.18million

Gosder Cherilus as a June 1st would save us about 4million

Do/Should we cut any more players?

I would personally like to cut Donald Thomas and Trent Richardson 1st and foremost obviously.

But I would also like to see Gosder Cherilus and Dwqell Jackson gone as well as i think they are easily replaceable and upgradeable IMO.

There are some nice RT out there in free agency most notably Bryan Bulaga and Joe Barksdale as well as the draft. I would cut Jackson because there a lot of ILB in this class to replace him with a young stud and save money.

I know Dwqell Jackson made the pro bowl last year but it was as an alternate selection. Plus I think he's head over hills and washed up and he cant cover. Lastly all the tackles he had was great but they were mostly after the RB had already picked up a nice gain.

Lets upgrade that RT position with someone produce and stay healthy and lets upgrade the ILB position by getting a young thumper with athleticism to cover in there.

Any thoughts on what we should do as for as cuts go?

Let's cut everyone except Luck and TY and use them as trade bait for draft picks.

Imagine all the $$$ we SAVE!

[esmort]

Wow really and i guess this ILB class is weak because of combine results get real go look at the tape like Paul Dawson from TCU said.

Yea DQ is serviceable but we can do better if not get the same production from a rookie on lower salary.

 

No, this ILB is weak because there aren't very many good ILBs in it, and most the ones who look good still come with ???s.  I think it has been documented in several places by many of the draft/sports media that this is not a great ILB class.

[GoColts8818]

Trent is still on the roster he shouldn't be. So at least one.

[Dark Superman]

If Newsome continues to grow and Mathis can come back healthy. Maybe we can cut Walden if we end up signing McPhee from Baltimore.

[Coffeedrinker]

DQ was 2nd in the league in run stops and 4th in run stop percentage

 

Run stop defined by PFF is this; "Tackle stats are one thing, but our Run Stop Percentage Signature Stat measures how often a player records a tackle that results in a defensive stop. As opposed to crediting a player for merely making a tackle somewhere in the field of play, this lets us see which players are making the important tackles."

 

I'm not a big fan of PFF's grades but their signature stats are something else because many of them are quantifiable.

[Superman]

If we cut:

Greg Toler-we save 5.5million  

Dwqell Jackson-we save 5million

Donald Thomas-we save 3.25million

Erik Walden-we save 3.75million

Trent Richardson-we save 3.18million

Gosder Cherilus as a June 1st would save us about 4million

Do/Should we cut any more players?

I would personally like to cut Donald Thomas and Trent Richardson 1st and foremost obviously.

But I would also like to see Gosder Cherilus and Dwqell Jackson gone as well as i think they are easily replaceable and upgradeable IMO.

There are some nice RT out there in free agency most notably Bryan Bulaga and Joe Barksdale as well as the draft. I would cut Jackson because there a lot of ILB in this class to replace him with a young stud and save money.

I know Dwqell Jackson made the pro bowl last year but it was as an alternate selection. Plus I think he's head over hills and washed up and he cant cover. Lastly all the tackles he had was great but they were mostly after the RB had already picked up a nice gain.

Lets upgrade that RT position with someone produce and stay healthy and lets upgrade the ILB position by getting a young thumper with athleticism to cover in there.

Any thoughts on what we should do as for as cuts go?

 

 

 

Greg Toler-we save 5.5million  good player, starter, why cut him, especially without a replacement?

Dwqell Jackson-we save 5million  probably not accurate, his money in 2015 has mostly been reported as guaranteed

Donald Thomas-we save 3.25million  will probably happen at some point, unless he takes a significant pay cut

Erik Walden-we save 3.75million  good player, starter, why cut him, especially without a replacement?

Trent Richardson-we save 3.18million  probably will happen

Gosder Cherilus as a June 1st would save us about 4million  I think it should happen, but if it does, it probably won't be until after FA, maybe after the draft

 

Bulaga probably doesn't leave GB, and if he does, it will probably be for LT money. So I say no thanks. Good player, though. Can't say the same about Barksdale; he's one of the least effective pass blocking tackles in the league. He gave up 7 sacks and 44 additional pressures, and got flagged 6 times. He has the physical tools, and he's still young enough that he could get better, but I'm not really a fan. If we signed him, I would hope it would be on a bridge contract.

[aaron11]

Wow really and i guess this ILB class is weak because of combine results get real go look at the tape like Paul Dawson from TCU said.

Yea DQ is serviceable but we can do better if not get the same production from a rookie on lower salary.

im not basing anything on the combine.  there are maybe 2-3 ILBs that are ready to play AND better than what we have now in this class.  i dont think ILB should be a big priority though.  if we must spend early draft picks on D id rather do it on the line or pass rushers.  safety needs addressed at some point as well, unfortunately its a bad year for those too

 

i dont think the attitude in this thread is as hostile as you seem to.  this is just a way to share our opinions during the boring parts of the off season, remember we all want the same thing here

[theanarchist]

If we cut:

Greg Toler-we save 5.5million

Dwqell Jackson-we save 5million

Donald Thomas-we save 3.25million

Erik Walden-we save 3.75million

Trent Richardson-we save 3.18million

Gosder Cherilus as a June 1st would save us about 4million

Do/Should we cut any more players?

I would personally like to cut Donald Thomas and Trent Richardson 1st and foremost obviously.

But I would also like to see Gosder Cherilus and Dwqell Jackson gone as well as i think they are easily replaceable and upgradeable IMO.

There are some nice RT out there in free agency most notably Bryan Bulaga and Joe Barksdale as well as the draft. I would cut Jackson because there a lot of ILB in this class to replace him with a young stud and save money.

I know Dwqell Jackson made the pro bowl last year but it was as an alternate selection. Plus I think he's head over hills and washed up and he cant cover. Lastly all the tackles he had was great but they were mostly after the RB had already picked up a nice gain.

Lets upgrade that RT position with someone produce and stay healthy and lets upgrade the ILB position by getting a young thumper with athleticism to cover in there.

Any thoughts on what we should do as for as cuts go?

The only cuts I think that will happen now will be Thomas and Richardson. I'm not sure why they haven't been cut yet to be honest. FA is a week away. Cutting Thomas saves a little over 3 million dollars and I can't imagine that the team will not take advantage of having that cap money and try to bring in someone healthy at that position.

 

Also, I could have swore I read that ILB was thin in this draft.