12isthenew18 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Colts Stephen Holder of the Indianapolis Star mentions that there appears to be “motivation” from the Colts and impending free agent S Mike Adams that they’ll be able to get a deal done before the start of free agency. Holder anticipates CB Darius Butler to test the open mark We can't let this happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12isthenew18 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 mike adams resigning likely is great new though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBColtsFanatic Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I agree we can't. I'm just hoping they get key FAs resigned soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is replaceable. I thought he had an underwhelming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProblChld32 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Would make sense im assuming Darius and CO think he has the abilities to go else where and play as a # 2 CB. Darius is good. but i feel he is better suited as a nickel Corner. he excels in the nickel. i could see him possibly going to the Bears. With that being said. id hate to see him go that would just be another void left for us to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12isthenew18 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Would make sense im assuming Darius and CO think he has the abilities to go else where and play as a # 2 CB. Darius is good. but i feel he is better suited as a nickel Corner. he excels in the nickel. i could see him possibly going to the Bears. With that being said. id hate to see him go that would just be another void left for us to fill. he can't play outside look at his highlights against pittsburgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBColtsFanatic Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Get Kareem Jackson if Butler leaves. Can play at the 3 instead of Butler and then if Toler/Davis,knock knock, get injured he can play on the outside. He can also be the #2 if Toler opts to leave Indy next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcolt Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is replaceable. I thought he had an underwhelming season.I agree it would be much more damaging to lose Adams not a lot of places to look for Safeties. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Don't mind thisWith our injury problems, we need guys who can play outside as well as inside. Butler can't do both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 We need Butler back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dw49 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is replaceable. I thought he had an underwhelming season. At the very least it was "up and down." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProblChld32 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 he can't play outside look at his highlights against pittsburgh Agree that's why i said he is better suited as a nickel corner in the slot, thats where he plays his best football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Chris Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is a nice player but he's hardly someone who can't be replaced. Especially with Pagano's knack for developing young corners. I'd love Butler back at a $3Mil/YR price tag but anything more than that is pushing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derakynn Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I really like Darius. Clearly there is such thing as an upgrade to him, but I don't really know who that would be given the money we'd end up having to pay them anyways vs. him. I don't really like the idea of our last 3 CB spots being fluid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dw49 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is a nice player but he's hardly someone who can't be replaced. Especially with Pagano's knack for developing young corners. I'd love Butler back at a $3Mil/YR price tag but anything more than that is pushing it. Agree and the fact that he don't seem ( many have pointed this out already) too fare too well when we plays outside certainly makes your figure ball is park correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Luck's Beard Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I feel like Butler didn't do so well this past season, although he was pretty good before that. I wouldn't mind it if we did end up replacing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Get Kareem Jackson if Butler leaves. Can play at the 3 instead of Butler and then if Toler/Davis,knock knock, get injured he can play on the outside. He can also be the #2 if Toler opts to leave Indy next year. Kareem Jackson isn't leaving a starting job in Houston to be the Colts nickle corner. Plus, we'd have to pay him so much to leave that we'd be making him our #2 corner instead of Toler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I'd consider signing Davon House out of Green Bay if he hits the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsFanMikeC Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is replaceable. I thought he had an underwhelming season. Yes, Butler sure is replaceable. I personally think Butler is one of the best #3 CBs in the league, but don't think he is very near being a good #1 or #2. As others above me have said, he's built to play the slot (and IMO he excels at that), however, he is not built to play outside and he struggles pretty mightily there. I'd love to see Butler come back, but knowing how free agency works, some team will over pay him to be their #2 and they will regret it a few games into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dee Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 When Indy sign's N Suh... No money will be available for "nickle" backs.... I honestly believe... Suh wil lbe a Colt. and he fixes A TON OF ISSUES BY HIMSELF. Good Lord I hope it happens. One guy on the DL that commands a double or triple team changes the entire dynamic of a D. See Jerry Hughes in Buffalo.... Go get NSUH Grigs.......Kareem Jackson isn't leaving a starting job in Houston to be the Colts nickle corner. Plus, we'd have to pay him so much to leave that we'd be making him our #2 corner instead of Toler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 When Indy sign's N Suh... No money will be available for "nickle" backs.... I honestly believe... Suh wil lbe a Colt. and he fixes A TON OF ISSUES BY HIMSELF. Good Lord I hope it happens. One guy on the DL that commands a double or triple team changes the entire dynamic of a D. See Jerry Hughes in Buffalo.... Go get NSUH Grigs....... I know it's what you want, but I think you're going to be very disappointed. I think he either stays in Detroit or signs with another team that isn't the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravo Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 As long as we find a replacement OR TWO. We will be fine IF we lose Butler. FA CBDraft a CB incase of injury.Ohhh and cut Gordy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dee Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Detroit just said NO Franchise Tag on him... Detriot is screwed... if they keep NSuh they will have to pay him more than Calvin for the QB. And I think he is worth it. hemmmm If TRUE... I am positive Indy will make a SERIOUS run at him. And they should. he is a a STUD DL'men that can line up anywhere on the DL. And he would make Bjorn and Newsome a lot of money.I know it's what you want, but I think you're going to be very disappointed. I think he either stays in Detroit or signs with another team that isn't the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dee Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Put a HARD rush on the QB right off the snap and depth at CB is not a neccesity. The BEST PASS D is a GREAT pass RUSH. As long as we find a replacement OR TWO. We will be fine IF we lose Butler.FA CBDraft a CB incase of injury.Ohhh and cut Gordy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 When Indy sign's N Suh... No money will be available for "nickle" backs.... I honestly believe... Suh wil lbe a Colt. and he fixes A TON OF ISSUES BY HIMSELF. Good Lord I hope it happens. One guy on the DL that commands a double or triple team changes the entire dynamic of a D. See Jerry Hughes in Buffalo.... Go get NSUH Grigs.......Think about this statement for a minute...really think about it......Do you think all those D Linemen we had here in Indy while Mathis and Freeney were flying off the edge (Just like Hughes) helped Freeney and Mathis? Because I don't recall that we ever really had a great...or even real good D Line except those two....So it would seem logical to assume those two players produced as much as they did because they have/had a lot of talent......That same scenario translates to Hughes in Buffalo...He still has to shed blocks,,,,He still has to beat a LT by himself...He still has to have the acceleration off the snap and take a good angle to the ball.....no D Linemen can help him with those things nor can another rush linebacker opposite of him...Teams have had dominant D Lines before but pass rushers have not worked out, The player has to be very talented to rack up the number of sacks Hughes is getting....Hughes is VERY talented and it was easy to see coming out of TCU...He was just very raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentHill Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is a REALLY good slot CB, and irreplaceable. IMHO, if you want Butler gone, then be prepared to get abused out of the slot next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is a REALLY good slot CB, and irreplaceable. IMHO, if you want Butler gone, then be prepared to get abused out of the slot next season.That thought crossed my mind looking at the Corners we have behind him...But he is replaceable in the draft if we go that route or I think someone like Davin House out of Green Bay can do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colts_100nascar17fan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Go after Byron maxwell cuz he is more versatile for being able to play in multiple types of defense and coverages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Go after Byron maxwell cuz he is more versatile for being able to play in multiple types of defense and coverages.Great idea. Let's hand over a $9M APY contract for a nickel corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Wonder how Butler would work out as a Free Safety in our defense? I was just wondering out loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is a REALLY good slot CB, and irreplaceable. IMHO, if you want Butler gone, then be prepared to get abused out of the slot next season. He's not in any way irreplaceable. I like him, I think we should keep him, but at a reasonable price. Defending the slot, he gave up 58% completions, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, and had a passer rating against of 104.2 (42nd in the league among DBs who were on the field for at least 25% of defensive snaps). There are several free agents who were better in the slot, and his performance wasn't so great that a rookie DB couldn't match it. There are a few rookies from 2014 who were as good or better. Cassius Vaughn was better in the slot in 2014. Again, not knocking him, but I don't see how he was irreplaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Butler is a nice player but he's hardly someone who can't be replaced. Especially with Pagano's knack for developing young corners. I'd love Butler back at a $3Mil/YR price tag but anything more than that is pushing it. After 3 years who has he developed here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltsjd55 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 After 3 years who has he developed here?Uhh Vontae Davis from bottom of the depth chart in miami to top 5 corner (he was mostly character issues but still), Greg Toler from out in Arizona and not playing well at all his first year here to a solid #2 this year, and Darius Butler from being out in NE and a bust to a solid slot corner that everyone in this forum would prefer to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Darius Butler from being out in NE and a bust to a solid slot corner that everyone in this forum would prefer to keep. The most obvious example, really, given the thread topic. The guy who was one stop from being out of the league when we brought him in, thrown away by the Pats (a team that LOVES taking underperforming players and milking more out of them), and now he has a market in free agency. One person calls him "irreplaceable," which I don't agree with, but he's obviously played better and is more valuable than he was two and a half years ago. But that can't be credited to Pagano. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltsjd55 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 The most obvious example, really, given the thread topic. The guy who was one stop from being out of the league when we brought him in, thrown away by the Pats (a team that LOVES taking underperforming players and milking more out of them), and now he has a market in free agency. One person calls him "irreplaceable," which I don't agree with, but he's obviously played better and is more valuable than he was two and a half years ago. But that can't be credited to Pagano. No way.Yea obviously Pagano had nothing to do with it, it must be the water lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21isSuperman Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I like Butler. I think we should bring him back. He did have an underwhelming season, but he had a pretty good year in 2013. Maybe there was some nagging injury we don't know of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesd2890 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I like him but definitely replaceable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Chris Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 After 3 years who has he developed here? Vontae Davis and Darius Butler's careers have improved greatly in their time here. Greg Toler is also solid. This is the best the Colts corners have been in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron11 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 This is the best the Colts corners have been in a while.best ever? its not really saying much though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wig Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Uhh Vontae Davis from bottom of the depth chart in miami to top 5 corner (he was mostly character issues but still), Greg Toler from out in Arizona and not playing well at all his first year here to a solid #2 this year, and Darius Butler from being out in NE and a bust to a solid slot corner that everyone in this forum would prefer to keep.Toler was good in 2013 before he got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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