Justin houston gets tagged

[12isthenew18]

Well this dissapoints. There's always next year

[Dark Superman]

Well this dissapoints. There's always next year

What does that have to do with the Colts?

[12isthenew18]

What does that have to do with the Colts?

he would've made u so much better houston> suh

[CroatianColtsFan21]

I'd say it has to do with one big name potential free agent aquisition for the colts now coming off the market.

[Dark Superman]

he would've made u so much better houston> suh

Yeah, I think anyone would take Houston over Suh on here,but he's staying in KC.

[Dark Superman]

I'd say it has to do with one big name potential free agent aquisition for the colts now coming off the market.

What does?

[backshoulderfade]

No word whether it is the exclusive tag or not. As it stands this puts the Chiefs 7 million over the salary cap.

I expect Houston's production to drop without Tamba Hali.

[csmopar]

No word whether it is the exclusive tag or not. As it stands this puts the Chiefs 7 million over the salary cap.

I expect Houston's production to drop without Tamba Hali.

What happens if they are over the cap?

[Dustin]

What happens if they are over the cap?

They won't be so it doesn't matter. But if they were past the deadline, their top contracts would automatically get terminated until they were under.

[backshoulderfade]

What happens if they are over the cap?

Well I expect they get rid of Hali before it matters. Hopefully.

More likely to be Bowe though. Maybe both because they need to pick up a few guys in FA in my unless they want to miss the playoffs again.

[csmopar]

Oops. Double post.

[CroatianColtsFan21]

What does?

Houston getting franchise tagged.

[Superman]

It's non exclusive. The dream lives on.

[21isSuperman]

A buddy of mine told me he read somewhere that Houston wants out of KC and is even willing to wait until week 10 to sign his tender.

[backshoulderfade]

A buddy of mine told me he read somewhere that Houston wants out of KC and is even willing to wait until week 10 to sign his tender.

I heard about the not signing until week 10. He is also apparently considering filing a grievance over recieving the LB tag over the DE, which is quite a big deal over a million dollars.

I think KC could well get their 2 first rounders.

[Superman]

A buddy of mine told me he read somewhere that Houston wants out of KC and is even willing to wait until week 10 to sign his tender.

 

Florio (obligatory "can't stand Florio" reference) reports it all here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/justin-houston-situation-is-about-to-get-very-interesting/

[backshoulderfade]

Low 1st rounders, cap space...do it Grigson.

[21isSuperman]

2 first rounders and the cap space to give him a long term contract....that's a lot.  I dunno if I'd be comfortable giving up that much.

[csmopar]

Low 1st rounders, cap space...do it Grigson.

Im warming up to this idea...

[backshoulderfade]

Im warming up to this idea...

I don't expect it to happen, though. Something interesting which hasn't been said much is that he plays as a SAM linebacker which means we have Mathis and his heir apparent Newsome on the other which is an ideal situation in my eyes.

Houston is as full a package as any 3-4 OLB in recent memory. He can rush the passer, stop the run and drop into coverage well. He does all this and STILL racks up 22 sacks.

[pacolts56]

It's non exclusive. The dream lives on.

Thanks...which tag they used was my first question.

Who knows....maybe we'll pull it off.

[Colts_Fan12]

Well damn I don't think Grigs will use 2 1st rounders in him

[backshoulderfade]

He could, in theory, refuse to sign the tender and try and force a trade for less than the 2 firsts though, right?

[Colts_Fan12]

He could, in theory, refuse to sign the tender and try and force a trade for less than the 2 firsts though, right?

possibly but I would hold my breath

[Superman]

He could, in theory, refuse to sign the tender and try and force a trade for less than the 2 firsts though, right?

 

In theory, yes. But why would he care whether a team gives up two firsts for him? That's none of his business. He wants $$$.

 

That would also be a bad strategy. He has no leverage in that regard.

 

I personally don't understand what KC is doing. Unless he just doesn't want to play there and is trying to force his way to free agency, they should have locked him up a long time ago. 

[backshoulderfade]

In theory, yes. But why would he care whether a team gives up two firsts for him? That's none of his business. He wants $$$.

That would also be a bad strategy. He has no leverage in that regard.

I personally don't understand what KC is doing. Unless he just doesn't want to play there and is trying to force his way to free agency, they should have locked him up a long time ago.

Would generate more interest, and more competition for his signature. He could maybe drive up his price some.

His leverage would be he leaves at the end of the 2015 season anyway so KC can cash in now and have more picks to play with (trade up?) , or could outright refuse to sign his tender otherwise.

Maybe I am way off here?

[Colts_Fan12]

In theory, yes. But why would he care whether a team gives up two firsts for him? That's none of his business. He wants $$$.

That would also be a bad strategy. He has no leverage in that regard.

I personally don't understand what KC is doing. Unless he just doesn't want to play there and is trying to force his way to free agency, they should have locked him up a long time ago.

I don't know why they waited til the deadline to tag him? If he does want out of KC I don't blame him really

[Superman]

Would generate more interest, and more competition for his signature. He could maybe drive up his price some.

His leverage would be he leaves at the end of the 2015 season anyway so KC can cash in now and have more picks to play with (trade up?) , or could outright refuse to sign his tender otherwise.

Maybe I am way off here?

 

Yeah, if a team wants him, they can just make an offer. I don't think there's anyway around the two firsts. KC can just hold tight, call Houston's "sitting out" bluff, and wait for it shake out in their favor. 

 

It's my understanding that he doesn't have to sign the tag tender in order to sign an offer sheet.

[Gavin]

In theory, yes. But why would he care whether a team gives up two firsts for him? That's none of his business. He wants $$$.

 

That would also be a bad strategy. He has no leverage in that regard.

 

I personally don't understand what KC is doing. Unless he just doesn't want to play there and is trying to force his way to free agency, they should have locked him up a long time ago. 

I would not want to play with Alex Smith(Don't get me wrong, he is serviceable...But he aint ever going to lead a team to a SB) and only 1 legit WR  on the team I was on if I knew I could get a hefty pay day somewhere else and be courted by winning teams for my services (Example: Colts), He probably wants to go to a legit contender

[pacolts56]

Yeah, if a team wants him, they can just make an offer. I don't think there's anyway around the two firsts. KC can just hold tight, call Houston's "sitting out" bluff, and wait for it shake out in their favor.

It's my understanding that he doesn't have to sign the tag tender in order to sign an offer sheet.

How soon can teams start making offers....after March 10th?

[backshoulderfade]

I would not want to play with Alex Smith(Don't get me wrong, he is serviceable...But he aint ever going to lead a team to a SB) and only 1 legit WR on the team I was on if I knew I could get a hefty pay day somewhere else and be courted by winning teams for my services (Example: Colts), He probably wants to go to a legit contender

Legit WR?

[backshoulderfade]

Just something to think about, if we got him we could have the best player in 3 positions potentially.

Edit: I need to calm down.

[Superman]

How soon can teams start making offers....after March 10th?

 

Yup.

[UKColt13]

It's a Non-exclusive tag. Means we can still negotiate with him but if we sign him the we give up 2 1st round picks.

Honestly, I'm okay with that.

[Slick_Rick]

Would it be possible to do a sign and trade perhaps? Maybe he signs the tender/contract, and we decide some form of compensation that doesn't kill us. Maybe give them our 1st this year or next and throw in a player (I know they need a WR, but I don't want to give them ours). I don't know what else they need, but I think Houston would be worth a hefty price.