Mathis and Freeney

[12isthenew18]

Does anyone see them not being first round ballot hall of famers:

 

Robert Mathis: 

• 6× Pro Bowl (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
• 2x All-Pro (2008, 2013)
• Super Bowl champion (XLI)
• 2× AFC champion (2006, 2009)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
• Ed Block Courage Award (2011)
• 100 Sacks Club
• Inaugural Deacon Jones award winner (2013)^[1]
• Indianapolis Colts all-time sacks leader (111.0)
• NFL record for strip-sacks (43)^[2]
• 4× AFC Defensive Player of the Month (November 2009, September 2010, October 2013, December 2013)

 

Dwight Freeney: 

• 7× Pro Bowl (2003, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010,2011)
• 3× First-team All-Pro (2004, 2005, 2009)
• Second-team All-Pro (2003)
• Super Bowl champion (XLI)
• 2× AFC champion (2006, 2009)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2005)
• NFL season sacks leader (16 in 2004)
• 100 Sacks Club
• NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
• Unanimous All-American (2001)
• First-team All-Big East (2000, 2001)

 

 

What other players in the manning era will get in except clearly manning, (somehow not harrison), wayne (hopefully)

[Jdubu]

Doubt they will get in first ballot and I'd be more surprised if Mathis gets in at all. Wouldn't be surprised if Freeney didn't get in either. That weak run support they have provided will hurt their chances imo

[MTC]

First ballot? No.

 

They will both get in eventually. 

[akcolt]

All will be there eventually

[cm43sports]

If Marvin Harrison isn't a first ballot player then neither are Mathis, Freeney or Wayne. They'll all hopefully get in at some point but I'd be shocked if any of them were on the first ballot.

[pacolts56]

After what Charles Haley went thru to get in....with 100 sacks plus 5 Super Bowl rings....I'd be surprised if Freeney or Mathis get in 1st ballot.

 

I think they'll get in....just not on the 1st ballot.

[jskinnz]

Those guys are closer to not making the HoF than being elected on their first opportunity.

[bestQBever]

I don't think they are. They will make it a few years after eligibility. 

[SteelDragon]

2000s Era Hall of Fame Colts: Polian, Dungy, Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Vinateri. That's a pretty damned good representation for The Shoe

Edgerrin? Saturday?

[Cynjin]

Apparently it will depend more on which, if any, defensive ends with similar careers have waited longer than they have.  Crazy logic in my opinion.

[csmopar]

2000s Era Hall of Fame Colts: Polian, Dungy, Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Vinateri. That's a pretty damned good representation for The Shoe

Edgerrin? Saturday?

Not so sure Dingy gets in. Saturday well maybe.

[Tracy Denton]

2000s Era Hall of Fame Colts: Polian, Dungy, Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Vinateri. That's a pretty damned good representation for The Shoe

Edgerrin? Saturday?

If I had a vote, I would choose Glenn over Saturday !!

[Modern]

Edgerrin ain't getting in

[csmopar]

2000s Era Hall of Fame Colts: Polian, Dungy, Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Vinateri. That's a pretty damned good representation for The Shoe

Edgerrin? Saturday?

You know this amazes me. We had such amazing players who you can make an argument for their HOF ballot however, we came away with only 2 afc championships and 1 superbowl... kind of disappointing in a way yet satisfing knowing I got to see all these players in their primes.

[wig]

If Marvin Harrison isn't a first ballot player then neither are Mathis, Freeney or Wayne. They'll all hopefully get in at some point but I'd be shocked if any of them were on the first ballot.

The other three didn't have any off the field issues. Certainly will play a factor.

[GoColts8818]

Does anyone see them not being first round ballot hall of famers:

 

Robert Mathis: 

• 6× Pro Bowl (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
• 2x All-Pro (2008, 2013)
• Super Bowl champion (XLI)
• 2× AFC champion (2006, 2009)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
• Ed Block Courage Award (2011)
• 100 Sacks Club
• Inaugural Deacon Jones award winner (2013)^[1]
• Indianapolis Colts all-time sacks leader (111.0)
• NFL record for strip-sacks (43)^[2]
• 4× AFC Defensive Player of the Month (November 2009, September 2010, October 2013, December 2013)

 

Dwight Freeney: 

• 7× Pro Bowl (2003, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010,2011)
• 3× First-team All-Pro (2004, 2005, 2009)
• Second-team All-Pro (2003)
• Super Bowl champion (XLI)
• 2× AFC champion (2006, 2009)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2005)
• NFL season sacks leader (16 in 2004)
• 100 Sacks Club
• NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
• Unanimous All-American (2001)
• First-team All-Big East (2000, 2001)

 

 

What other players in the manning era will get in except clearly manning, (somehow not harrison), wayne (hopefully)

if marvin didn't go in on the first ballot no one besides Manning is a lock to go in on the first ballot from that Colts era.

[CR91]

imo a first ballot HOFer is someone that changed the game not just played it a high level. if you cant tell the history of the nfl without this player then youre a first ballot HOFer

[jvan1973]

imo a first ballot HOFer is someone that changed the game not just played it a high level. if you cant tell the history of the nfl without this player then youre a first ballot HOFer

it would appear the selection committee disagrees with you.

[peytonmanning18]

I'd be surprised if either gets in at all.

[ViriLudant]

Mathis won't get in. Freeney has a better chance, but it'll be tough.

[oldunclemark]

First ballot is a very tall order...

....I dont know if there's 5 guys playing today who are certain 1st ballot Hall-of-Famers...

[aaron11]

not first ballot. they will both be lucky to get in at all.  if mathis can come back and have another good year and playoff run his stock will go up of course.  if neither does much else from this point i wont be surprised if they dont make it

Edited February 1, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[peytonmanning18]

First ballot is a very tall order...

....I dont know if there's 5 guys playing today who are certain 1st ballot Hall-of-Famers...

IMO there are only 2 guys playing in the league that are sure fire first ballot hall of famers and that's Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

There's other guys that can slide up to that level though. Rodgers, Calvin Johnson, Revis, Brees, and a few others have that potential.

[GoColts8818]

Mathis won't get in. Freeney has a better chance, but it'll be tough.

if they look at numbers Mathis has better numbers than Freeney. If either gets in it will be after a long wait.

[GoColts8818]

First ballot is a very tall order.......I dont know if there's 5 guys playing today who are certain 1st ballot Hall-of-Famers...

thst could retire right now and go in on the first ballot it's Brady, Manning and maybe Brees. Troy P. In Pittsburgh might get in on the first ballot too but that's about it.

[ViriLudant]

if they look at numbers Mathis has better numbers than Freeney. If either gets in it will be after a long wait.

Do you think that his PED suspension will hurt his chances?

[buccolts]

IMO there are only 2 guys playing in the league that are sure fire first ballot hall of famers and that's Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

There's other guys that can slide up to that level though. Rodgers, Calvin Johnson, Revis, Brees, and a few others have that potential.

 

IDK, JJ Watt seems to be on the right path.

[GoColts8818]

Do you think that his PED suspension will hurt his chances?

it sure won't help. I think manning, polian, dungy, marvin, and Wayne are the only sure bet hall of Famers from that era. Edge, saturday, Freeney, and mathis all have shots but are not locks. Adam should go in but he's a kicker and that can mske it hard.

[ProblChld32]

IMO i don't think Freeney makes it. Mathis has some time to solidify his legacy.

[Jaric]

Kevin Greene is still waiting and he's third on the all time sack list.

[theanarchist]

Edgerrin ain't getting in

Edge is 11th all time in rush yards. He has more yards than HOF's: John Riggins, Thurman Thomas, Marcus Allen, and Franco Harris, OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor and Earl Campbell. I think he gets in eventually. As for Freeney and Mathis I think they both make it eventually.

[theanarchist]

Does anyone see them not being first round ballot hall of famers:

 

Robert Mathis: 

• 6× Pro Bowl (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
• 2x All-Pro (2008, 2013)
• Super Bowl champion (XLI)
• 2× AFC champion (2006, 2009)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
• Ed Block Courage Award (2011)
• 100 Sacks Club
• Inaugural Deacon Jones award winner (2013)^[1]
• Indianapolis Colts all-time sacks leader (111.0)
• NFL record for strip-sacks (43)^[2]
• 4× AFC Defensive Player of the Month (November 2009, September 2010, October 2013, December 2013)

 

Dwight Freeney: 

• 7× Pro Bowl (2003, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010,2011)
• 3× First-team All-Pro (2004, 2005, 2009)
• Second-team All-Pro (2003)
• Super Bowl champion (XLI)
• 2× AFC champion (2006, 2009)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2005)
• NFL season sacks leader (16 in 2004)
• 100 Sacks Club
• NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
• Unanimous All-American (2001)
• First-team All-Big East (2000, 2001)

 

 

What other players in the manning era will get in except clearly manning, (somehow not harrison), wayne (hopefully)

Neither one are first ballot Hall of Famers

[theanarchist]

One thing that has to be considered with pass rushers of the modern era is that the game has changed to a passing heavy league. This means more chances for players to sack the QB than there used to be. Teams throw the ball 40-50 times a game now. In the past it wasn't nearly that much. It's very much like the receiving yards stat for a lot of these receivers, times have changed and that has to be taken into account.

[oldunclemark]

IMO there are only 2 guys playing in the league that are sure fire first ballot hall of famers and that's Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

There's other guys that can slide up to that level though. Rodgers, Calvin Johnson, Revis, Brees, and a few others have that potential.

I agree PM...

1st ballot...means you leapfrog virtual superstars who have been waiting for years..

Drew Brees wont be a first ballot HOF ......Adrian Peterson?....Not now

...Reggie Wayne? Not if Marvin Harrison isn't.

You're right....Rodgers could get there,..but there is not one defensive player in the NFl today

who is a certain 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Not one.

[oldunclemark]

IDK, JJ Watt seems to be on the right path.

JJ Watt would have to play 10 more years to make it

[IcEWoLF]

First ballot is a very tall order...

....I dont know if there's 5 guys playing today who are certain 1st ballot Hall-of-Famers...

JJ Watt

[NFLfan]

there is not one defensive player in the NFl today

who is a certain 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Not one.

Charles Woodson is.

[peytonmanning18]

I don't think Champ Bailey was on a roster at the end of the year but he is a possibility.

[theanarchist]

I maybe should do a separate thread on this but why do you think that Brett Favre is brought up in every conversation as one of the greatest QB's of all time? I mean most people consider him to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I understand he has the stats but on this board there are so many conversations about the greatest QB's of all time and how Manning always get a knock because he only has the one SB championship. Well, so does Favre.

[crazycolt1]

it would appear the selection committee disagrees with you.

Just my thoughts also.