Trade back example

[12isthenew18]

New england in 2013 traed the 29th selection for minnesoata's 2nd 3rd 4th and 7th and the vikings originally were the 23rd selection so would you go back this far for extra depth.

 

The Pats got from these trades: Jamie Collins, Logan ryan and other players.

 

Would you support this then?

[TKnight24]

I can't even read that. Why is it in blue lines?!

[Andrew Luck's Beard]

R.I.P. Peoples' eyes...

[Dustin]

New england in 2013 traed the 29th selection for minnesoata's 2nd 3rd 4th and 7th and the vikings originally were the 23rd selection so would you go back this far for extra depth.

 

The Pats got from these trades: Jamie Collins, Logan ryan and other players.

 

Would you support this then?

 

[12isthenew18]

I have no idea what happened

[Imped]

Highlight the 'blue boxes' geniuses. ;)

[sfergson727]

Well, that was a waste of 30 perfectly good seconds I'll never get back.  What were you thinking making the text imbedded in blue background?????

[Andrew Luck's Beard]

Highlight the 'blue boxes' geniuses. ;)

Because that totally works on mobile.

Also, is the question asking from the Vikings' point of view or the Patriots?

[Yoshinator]

I've been doing this on First-Pick and it's been working out great for my drafts. This is what Grigson should do, not sure if he will. Ton of talent in rounds 2-4. Would be nice to have 2 picks in each round 2-4. Would fill a lot of needs and could get a lot of solid players that fall. We could have a field day with best player available.

[Gavin]

I have to Colts trading down from pick 93 (3rd round) to the Bucs pick at 106 (4th round) and picking up there 5th (pick 154)

[Cynjin]

New england in 2013 traed the 29th selection for minnesoata's 2nd 3rd 4th and 7th and the vikings originally were the 23rd selection so would you go back this far for extra depth.

 

The Pats got from these trades: Jamie Collins, Logan ryan and other players.

 

Would you support this then?

 

 

Sure why not, I like the Colts having extra draft picks for the most part.  However, there has to be a team willing to do that trade.

[NewColtsFan]

I've been doing this on First-Pick and it's been working out great for my drafts. This is what Grigson should do, not sure if he will. Ton of talent in rounds 2-4. Would be nice to have 2 picks in each round 2-4. Would fill a lot of needs and could get a lot of solid players that fall. We could have a field day with best player available.

 

Remember,  you're moving down nearly one full round.    From the bottom of the 1st round to near the bottom of the 2nd round.   That was a drop of 26 picks.  

 

Just want to make sure we're clear on that.

 

Most of these computer simulations that propose trading back have teams getting a 2/3/4 for moving back 8-12 picks.   And then fans don't understand why the Colts don't do this.     It's because in the real world,  that's not the way it works.

 

If you want to get a 2/3/4 for a 1,  you've got to be willing to move back almost one full round.

[Yoshinator]

Remember,  you're moving down nearly one full round.    From the bottom of the 1st round to near the bottom of the 2nd round.   That was a drop of 26 picks.  

 

Just want to make sure we're clear on that.

 

Most of these computer simulations that propose trading back have teams getting a 2/3/4 for moving back 8-12 picks.   And then fans don't understand why the Colts don't do this.     It's because in the real world,  that's not the way it works.

 

If you want to get a 2/3/4 for a 1,  you've got to be willing to move back almost one full round.

I understand that we most likely won't get an opportunity like that. The probable trade that someone will offer Grigson is a 2nd and 3rd to move up and we move down 10 spots or something like that. I would absolutely move down to the end of the 2nd though for a 2, 3, 4 as I believe Grigson is smart enough to hit on 2 of those picks for sure. Just a best-case scenario. 

[jskinnz]

I have to Colts trading down from pick 93 (3rd round) to the Bucs pick at 106 (4th round) and picking up there 5th (pick 154)

 

Of course.  Why wouldn't that happen?

[NewColtsFan]

I understand that we most likely won't get an opportunity like that. The probable trade that someone will offer Grigson is a 2nd and 3rd to move up and we move down 10 spots or something like that. I would absolutely move down to the end of the 2nd though for a 2, 3, 4 as I believe Grigson is smart enough to hit on 2 of those picks for sure. Just a best-case scenario. 

 

Thanks.   I appreciate that you didn't take my post as an attack on you.    I wasn't even referring to you specifically,  only to people who in general who lay the computer simulation games.    

 

And by the way,   the reason why I can speak to them so well is that I've played them.   Extensively!    They're fun and completely addictive!!    They're just not logical and realistic.    

 

By the way,  if we're offered a chance to trade down 10 spots,  I don't think we'll get a 2/3.    More likely a 2/4.    Trading down has become much, MUCH harder the last few years.     Fewer trades are being made and fewer good draft picks are being moved.

 

That NE trade with Minnesota,  is now the rare exception to the rule.

[Tracy Denton]

I would keep our first, unless it's a "too good to be true" trade. I would rather have quality than quantity.

[COLTS449]

Yeah definitely. We could probably get a mid to late 2nd and 3rd. So there we'd have two 2nd's and two 3rd's. We could get some combination of guys like Perryman, Prewitt, Coleman, Green Beckham, Tartt, Shelton etc. A lot of years we'll look back and be like "wow we could have traded back and got this guy, this guy, and so on." So I kind of hope we just do it this season and get 3 or 4 impact players. I think we should look into drafting both Cody Prewitt and Tartt, then we'd be set at safety for years to come.

[cmgww]

There was a long article on ESPN about the Pats and how Belichick has made trading back/down an art form over the past 15 years. Heck, Tom Brady was drafted with a compensatory pick! It's a big part of why they have been able to maintain their success for so long. The big thing is, he takes advantage of GMs that want to move up and reach for a player...the article cited numerous examples but I can't think of any besides Edelman right now, he was a late rounder that has turned into a big playmaker. That, and he's famous for cutting ties with players and not holding on too long (Mankins, Moss, Ty Law, etc.). He has had misses, but all in all he has done very well gathering extra picks and drafting well in later rounds.

[Yoshinator]

There was a long article on ESPN about the Pats and how Belichick has made trading back/down an art form over the past 15 years. Heck, Tom Brady was drafted with a compensatory pick! It's a big part of why they have been able to maintain their success for so long. The big thing is, he takes advantage of GMs that want to move up and reach for a player...the article cited numerous examples but I can't think of any besides Edelman right now, he was a late rounder that has turned into a big playmaker. That, and he's famous for cutting ties with players and not holding on too long (Mankins, Moss, Ty Law, etc.). He has had misses, but all in all he has done very well gathering extra picks and drafting well in later rounds.

I remember Brady was drafted with the 199th pick, never thought about it being a compensatory pick. Pretty crazy. That's one thing I like specifically about those comp picks, they are free shots in the dark that good teams can get every year. I hope as we improve as a team, we get a couple of them a year and can add to our team through the draft and hit a big gem as we rely less on Free Agents.

[esmort]

I remember Brady was drafted with the 199th pick, never thought about it being a compensatory pick. Pretty crazy. That's one thing I like specifically about those comp picks, they are free shots in the dark that good teams can get every year. I hope as we improve as a team, we get a couple of them a year and can add to our team through the draft and hit a big gem as we rely less on Free Agents.

 

Over the cap is projecting the Colts receiving two 7th rnd compensatory picks for the 2015 draft.

 

http://overthecap.com/projecting-the-compensatory-draft-picks-for-2015/

[Yoshinator]

Over the cap is projecting the Colts receiving two 7th rnd compensatory picks for the 2015 draft.

 

http://overthecap.com/projecting-the-compensatory-draft-picks-for-2015/

They'll be at the end of the draft, but that's ok. It's basically a situation where Grigson can pick his favorite two guys that didn't get drafted (If you want to think about it that way). Any draft picks are good draft picks. Lets hope for some luck there. 

[ColtStronger]

I think this would be a great strategy in about 2 years.  Technically we are still rebuilding, so trading our 1st round pick would be a terrible decision, because we are only 4-5 guys away from being a serious SB contender.  Once your team is really good, that is the type of approach you use to maintain success tho. 

[CanuckColt]

I wouldn't mind if Grigson traded out of the 1st into the 2nd and grabbed an extra pick...it sure beats the heck out of drafting another Werner for Chuck's Monstrosity.