Per Adam Schefter Colts and Duron Carter closing in on deal (Merge)

[John Dee]

I think it is safe to say 3 years into Coby's NFL career...   he is not a "hands guy" ...

 

 

Whatever...    I know one thing he is a replaceable part....   

 

Four more drops in 2014 than in 2013.

[throwing BBZ]

My thing with Coby is this....

 

He drops BUNNIES.. .   way too often.    I mean ...  WAY TOO OFTEN.

 

He is not a guy I am going to invest in..     to "count on" ...   

 

JMO...      But ....   tape does not lie...          He scares the hell out of me.

 

 Andrew is not good at throwing to his receivers #`s. He is a very average QB when it comes to accuracy and he gets the ball to his receivers LATE. They Expect they are about to be hit, crushed.

 He will Always have a high drop rate if he doesn`t significantly improve his decision making and accuracy.

[throwing BBZ]

Thanks! I can't wait for your next massacre of the English language!

 

 I thought i was decent in English 45 years ago, but really i was just an above average speller which raised my grade considerably back in the day. Sorry about that. It would tickle me if i thought you lost sleep over it.

[runtelldat]

Looking forward to seeing Duron in a Colts uniform. Hopefully he reaches his full potential while playing for the Colts.

[John Dee]

You just described EVERY QB in the NFL....       only difference...

 

some guys catch the ball .....        and others don't...     

 

I bet Joe Montana does not send Dwight Clark a XMAS card every year to celebrate the miracle grab that was made.   It's EXPECTED.   Great players make great plays......  

 Andrew is not good at throwing to his receivers #`s. He is a very average QB when it comes to accuracy and he gets the ball to his receivers LATE. They Expect they are about to be hit, crushed.
 He will Always have a high drop rate if he doesn`t significantly improve his decision making and accuracy.

[runthepost]

I think he is hyped up

[Narcosys]

 Andrew is not good at throwing to his receivers #`s. He is a very average QB when it comes to accuracy and he gets the ball to his receivers LATE. They Expect they are about to be hit, crushed.

 He will Always have a high drop rate if he doesn`t significantly improve his decision making and accuracy.

 

 

HOW DARE YOU!!  Dont you know that claiming Luck is an inaccurate QB is not tolerated here!  Who cares if he constantly throws behind his receivers or over throws them, that is not something this board cares to talk about or will tolerate.  Keep this in mind as it is a lesson i learned quickly.  The excusers will come out in droves. 

 

 

Edit:  Only took an hour for the first one.

[ticat]

The majority of CFL players are the college players who didn't have what it takes to make it in the NFL.  If you are talking college as a whole, CFL is probably better.  However, there are plenty of college players that don't make it to NFL that could play in CFL and choose to do something else with their life.  If I had to put $ on it, I would take a team like Ohio St., Alabama, Oregon, etc. to beat just about any CFL team.

 

That said, I don't disagree with you -- like college, the CFL is a pool of talent that NFL scouts should look at, evaluate, and be willing to give a shot if they have potential.  The post I made, which you quoted, was a response to Mintor, who seems to think Carter is going to be our savior.  I had no problem with us drafting TY, he was a 3rd round pick and we didn't have any huge expectations for him -- as with most 3rd rounders, most teams are just happy to get some production from them and not counting on them to be super stars.  Like a mid-major school, very rarely, the CFL produces a very good NFL player.  My point to Mintor is, until we see it on the field, there is no reason to get overly excited about Carter.

Just to clarify something. 90% of college players would never make the CFL. The NFL takes the few top % and the next is to the CFL. A lot of players have the stones to play in the NFL ,but not the size. Or they fell thru the cracks. Look at troy smith, total failure in the CFL and there is a long list of GREAT college players that failed up here, even NFL'ers that came her thinking they will dominate just by showing up, and they to have failed. As chad Johnson said , the biggest difference is the NFL get the elite ,cream of the crop players. The CFL is not the NFL ,we all know that. But the CFL is not a minor league either. IMO I thin k carter will surprise a lot of people. And I understand his attitude really has changed. Playing in the CFL can really humble some people. We are lucky to have to great leagues to watch.

[ColtStronger]

Drop -  per a typical Colts/Luck Homer. All passes that touch any part of the intended receivers hand.

 Andrew keeps throwing his high, late, off target passes and he will Again, in his 4th consecutive season, be near the top of the league in "DROPS".

 Good grief how many open receivers did Andrew miss against NE because he had his head _________, because he WAS going to throw it to His Guy no matter? It was sickening. And expected.

He did legitimately have a lot of drops, however, as you say he does throw high, late, off target passes, that shouldn't be counted as drops.  Andrew seems that he knows who he wants to throw to before the play developes ALOT.  I think with a better OL (more time), balanced run game, and another year, he will be much better next season.  Kind of a scary thought, for Luck to be ALOT better, huh?

[Jhaze55]

HOW DARE YOU!!  Dont you know that claiming Luck is an inaccurate QB is not tolerated here!  Who cares if he constantly throws behind his receivers or over throws them, that is not something this board cares to talk about or will tolerate.  Keep this in mind as it is a lesson i learned quickly.  The excusers will come out in droves. 

 

 

Edit:  Only took an hour for the first one.

And yet, he's probably the least of the problems that the Colts have, even if what you say is true. Which is why it's kinda dumb to complain about it.

[BOTT]

HOW DARE YOU!!  Dont you know that claiming Luck is an inaccurate QB is not tolerated here!  Who cares if he constantly throws behind his receivers or over throws them, that is not something this board cares to talk about or will tolerate.  Keep this in mind as it is a lesson i learned quickly.  The excusers will come out in droves. 

 

 

Edit:  Only took an hour for the first one.

Congrats, you just just agreed with a troll

[Narcosys]

Congrats, you just just agreed with a troll

That's fine, at least I'm not a Homer. I recognize where luck has issues. Has been my complaint about him since the first season and seems to be the thing he can't correct. Please explain to me why he can't hit ty on a crossing route when he's been working with him for 3 years. Most of his interceptions have come from throwing behind his receivers. It's just something he does a lot that shouldn't be happening as much as he does it.

Idc what all the other qb's do. I care about what our qb does. So before you bring in the argument "at least it's not player x," know that I don't care.

[BOTT]

That's fine, at least I'm not a Homer. I recognize where luck has issues. Has been my complaint about him since the first season and seems to be the thing he can't correct. Please explain to me why he can't hit ty on a crossing route when he's been working with him for 3 years. Most of his interceptions have come from throwing behind his receivers. It's just something he does a lot that shouldn't be happening as much as he does it.

Idc what all the other qb's do. I care about what our qb does. So before you bring in the argument "at least it's not player x," know that I don't care.

Aren't you the same guy claiming TY was wide open at the end of the Denver game? Just curious

[Narcosys]

Aren't you the same guy claiming TY was wide open at the end of the Denver game? Just curious

?? I'm genuinely confused. What happened? And if luck missed him I'm guessing this supports my claim. If he hit him, I'm hoping he would since ty was open as you say.

Other than that I'm not sure what your point is.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

That's fine, at least I'm not a Homer. I recognize where luck has issues. Has been my complaint about him since the first season and seems to be the thing he can't correct. Please explain to me why he can't hit ty on a crossing route when he's been working with him for 3 years. Most of his interceptions have come from throwing behind his receivers. It's just something he does a lot that shouldn't be happening as much as he does it.

Idc what all the other qb's do. I care about what our qb does. So before you bring in the argument "at least it's not player x," know that I don't care.

 

We have been 11-5 3 seasons in a row with Andrew Luck at QB he like Peyton Manning makes it happen the defense has'nt .

 

And yes he is not perfect give him a decent line & a running game inspite of this he carries this team he has at this point done better than 18 did his first 3 years .

 

IMO he tries to do to much because like 18 he realizes the defense does'nt always show up does he have room to improve of course & when that occurs he will own this league .

 

Denver has made the effort to give 18 every thing he needs to succeed & the Colts who did'nt need to get it right this time that will shut up the  hater critics who obviously can't see the forest for the trees .

[Narcosys]

We have been 11-5 3 seasons in a row with Andrew Luck at QB he like Peyton Manning makes it happen the defense has'nt .

And yes he is not perfect give him a decent line & a running game inspite of this he carries this team he has at this point done better than 18 did his first 3 years .

IMO he tries to do to much because like 18 he realizes the defense does'nt always show up does he have room to improve of course & when that occurs he will own this league .

Denver has made the effort to give 18 every thing he needs to succeed & the Colts who did'nt need to get it right this time that will shut up the hater critics who obviously can't see the forest for the trees .

Oh I'm not blaming luck for any losses. You can use that oline excuse all you want by that just hurts luck.

1. Luck has missed receivers with plenty of time before

2. Any qb can make throws with an oline that gives them time like brady and romo. It's the good qb's who make the throws under pressure.

Lucks interceptions are not all because of poor oline play. But yes the oline needs addressed because luck is one of the top hit qb's since coming into the league.

[BOTT]

?? I'm genuinely confused. What happened? And if luck missed him I'm guessing this supports my claim. If he hit him, I'm hoping he would since ty was open as you say.

Other than that I'm not sure what your point is.

A yes or no/don't recall would have sufficed

[dw49]

Congrats, you just just agreed with a troll

 

 

LOL and very true

[Jason_]

I think it is safe to say 3 years into Coby's NFL career...   he is not a "hands guy" ...

 

 

Whatever...    I know one thing he is a replaceable part....   

 

coby has very good hands.  the drops are more about concentration than his hands.  

[Narcosys]

A yes or no/don't recall would have sufficed

I guess I don't recall. Cause I may have been, but you made me curious as to what the comment was and how it pertains to or current discussion.

[crestmount]

Andrew is not good at throwing to his receivers #`s. He is a very average QB when it comes to accuracy and he gets the ball to his receivers LATE. They Expect they are about to be hit, crushed.

He will Always have a high drop rate if he doesn`t significantly improve his decision making and accuracy.

He's probably in the top 5 QB in the NFL--obviously we're doomed

[RockThatBlue]

It's very true

Avery>>>> DHB

Yes Avery had the occasional stupid drop but he was 10xs the player DHB was for us. I would have rather kept avery than signed DHB to be honest.

[DougDew]

coby has very good hands.  the drops are more about concentration than his hands.

Coby's drops were more frequent in his rookie and second year...sort of making for a bad first impression. This year he was reliable.

I saw a TV piece on his struggles when he entered the league. He said that he had a hard time judging the ball because the NFL ball is plain whereas the college ball had stripes. The lack of stripes made it hard for him to see it. He said he got used to it, and his game improved. That's what he said.

[John Dee]

Aint it amazing how Luck is so inaccurate...  yet completed 61.7% of his passes...       oh and Indy led the NFL in drops with...  ...................      FORTY...   40, YES 40.     The next closest team was Oakland... with 33???

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

 

Indy has some very nice young talent ....  but IMO this entire team is not being held accountable for "sloppy" play.     And it is showing in every area...   drops, penalties, mistakes, turnovers....    NO consequences for BAD effort or play, not any.   

 

And that is on Chuck.       hmmmm  I heard Chud just got promoted?    Very interesting.. 

 

Wow...  40 drops is a lot...  

HOW DARE YOU!!  Dont you know that claiming Luck is an inaccurate QB is not tolerated here!  Who cares if he constantly throws behind his receivers or over throws them, that is not something this board cares to talk about or will tolerate.  Keep this in mind as it is a lesson i learned quickly.  The excusers will come out in droves. 

 

 

Edit:  Only took an hour for the first one.

[John Dee]

hmmmm..      heeheeee     a drop is a drop...   isn't it?  

 

Esp if it hit a dude right in the HANDS.

 

coby has very good hands.  the drops are more about concentration than his hands.  

[John Dee]

He is credited with 5 drops in 2014...      I can think of all of those right off the top of my head, happening in the end zone or wide open and waltzing in...         

 

He drops the most ungodly easy balls i have ever seen. .     Balls that hit him right in the hands.  

 

What ever...     overpaying for he and or Allen may be a really big mistake.   I am all for keeping them at a "fair" number.   But neither are game changers.     Not close.   

 

Coby's drops were more frequent in his rookie and second year...sort of making for a bad first impression. This year he was reliable.

I saw a TV piece on his struggles when he entered the league. He said that he had a hard time judging the ball because the NFL ball is plain whereas the college ball had stripes. The lack of stripes made it hard for him to see it. He said he got used to it, and his game improved. That's what he said.

[TKnight24]

Coby's drops were more frequent in his rookie and second year...sort of making for a bad first impression. This year he was reliable.

I saw a TV piece on his struggles when he entered the league. He said that he had a hard time judging the ball because the NFL ball is plain whereas the college ball had stripes. The lack of stripes made it hard for him to see it. He said he got used to it, and his game improved. That's what he said.

So what he's saying is if he was on an NFL Street Game back in the PS2 days when you could customize the game ball, he'd be a beast?

True, I could see that

[Malakai432]

Every time I read one of your posts, I imagine you look like this guy:

[TKnight24]

hmmmm.. heeheeee a drop is a drop... isn't it?

Esp if it hit a dude right in the HANDS.

Like the drop Coby had against the Washington Generals?

[akcolt]

Just to clarify something. 90% of college players would never make the CFL. The NFL takes the few top % and the next is to the CFL. A lot of players have the stones to play in the NFL ,but not the size. Or they fell thru the cracks. Look at troy smith, total failure in the CFL and there is a long list of GREAT college players that failed up here, even NFL'ers that came her thinking they will dominate just by showing up, and they to have failed. As chad Johnson said , the biggest difference is the NFL get the elite ,cream of the crop players. The CFL is not the NFL ,we all know that. But the CFL is not a minor league either. IMO I thin k carter will surprise a lot of people. And I understand his attitude really has changed. Playing in the CFL can really humble some people. We are lucky to have to great leagues to watch.

Where are you getting your numbers from a link would be nice some might think you are just tossing stuff out there. I think he might have a few surprises too. It's hard to change  cat's colors this was last year. I am not saying I don't like the signing I really hope it works out but 6'5 198 is pretty thin be will need to add some weight. The article is actually pretty good I know it's bleacherropert.



The biggest weakness I see in Carter, as related by Dan Pompei in his piece on the player, is how he'll deal with press-man coverage. He was pretty much shut down by Delvin Breaux, a fellow CFL prospect who signed with the Saints this offseason. Pompei writes:

Coaches told him he would be a focal point of the game plan, but midway through the second quarter, he still had not seen a pass come his way. He became frustrated and drew two 15-yard penalties, one after punching an opponent and the other after he was pointing at an opponent and his hand was bumped into an official's face. He wound up with three catches for 25 yards in a 40-24 loss.

 

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2345668-duron-carter-a-solid-gamble-for-depleted-indianapolis-receiver-corps

[csmopar]

How did this thread go from Duron Carter being close to agreeing to sign with the Colts to whatever it is now?

Good question.

So has there been any official announcement yet?

[JR Indy]

I am great with this signing.  If the Colts bring in another WR from free agency or through the draft.  I will like the signing even more.  The wide receivers the Colts went with in the New England game.  Stop TY and the game is over.  Next year teams will still try to shut Hilton down with two players.  When and if that happens   Hopefully the new additions should make them pay dearly.  As far as Carter dealing with bump and run coverage if the coaching staff can not come up with a game plan to utilize his skill set they need to be replaced.  I like what Carter brings to the table.  He has the ability to catch, and run on a pro level.  The rest should come through coaching.

[Cynjin]

Good question.

So has there been any official announcement yet?

 

Not that I know of.  I know other threads get derailed, but this one seemed to fall right off a trestle bridge.  It looks like it is back on track tough, maybe with the help of that cloud guy from Mario cart.

[Gavin]

Not that I know of.  I know other threads get derailed, but this one seemed to fall right off a trestle bridge.  It looks like it is back on track tough, maybe with the help of that cloud guy from Mario cart.

Threads tend to do that after waiting for news and not getting any, Pretty soon an on topic thread turns into other discussion, The pretty soon other discussion turns into bickering, Then bickering turns into an all out thread war and then an all out thread war turns into a closed thread, Regular occurrence

[#12]

HOW DARE YOU!!  Dont you know that claiming Luck is an inaccurate QB is not tolerated here!  Who cares if he constantly throws behind his receivers or over throws them, that is not something this board cares to talk about or will tolerate.  Keep this in mind as it is a lesson i learned quickly.  The excusers will come out in droves. 

 

 

You only think that because you watched Manning for 15 years.  Watch other QB play around the league, then tell me he is inaccurate.  49er, Panthers and Bears fans are saying, please.  Is he as super-precise as Manning?  No, but he's also a different type of QB.  Manning's offense was all about repetition, timing and precision - same position, same spot, same throw, every time.  With Luck, there's much more improvisation.  Luck makes throws Manning would never make, often allowing the receiver to make a play. 

[BOTT]

I guess I don't recall. Cause I may have been, but you made me curious as to what the comment was and how it pertains to or current discussion.

I'm almost certain we have had this discussion before so there was no point of either of us rehashing it....that's all.

[Narcosys]

You only think that because you watched Manning for 15 years. Watch other QB play around the league, then tell me he is inaccurate. 49er, Panthers and Bears fans are saying, please. Is he as super-precise as Manning? No, but he's also a different type of QB. Manning's offense was all about repetition, timing and precision - same position, same spot, same throw, every time. With Luck, there's much more improvisation. Luck makes throws Manning would never make, often allowing the receiver to make a play.

Cool, good at improv, bad at the normal typical throws.

[Bravo]

From NFL.com today...

"Cris Carter says a deal between the Indianapolis Colts and his son, Duron, has not yet been completed. "Um, they haven't done anything yet. I think it's still a rumor. It's a rumor. Don't believe all the rumors."

[trueblueblood]

Every time I read one of your posts, I imagine you look like this guy:

Crazy eyes!

[Myles]

Cool, good at improv, bad at the normal typical throws.

Bad?   62% completions.     You don't understand what bad is.   62% completion % behind this line with no running game is pretty darn good.