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If its digital, its a video file on a hard drive. You simply make a copy of the files, and away the NFL goes. You dont even need to come collect them, they can be sent by email if needed (not very practical, but its possible).

 

Its ~possible~ that they could of confiscated the hard drives, I would think that unlikely, but as always, I dont know.

 

 

Thing is (IMO) BB can deny this all he wants even if he knows there's bad evidence to the contrary. What does he have to lose ? He for sure wasn't the one who did the instructing. Brady says over and over " I didn't do anything to deflate the footballs." Our ball boys do a great job getting the balls ready. He on the other hand looked very guilty and minced his words very carefully. Anyway , BB can lie all he wants without fear of being caught if he's culpable. He knows there is no taped evidence of footballs being deflated . The NFL can pretty much prove it happened if the science doesn't back up what BB claims and my guess is that this is the outcome.

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The media. They cant get their story straight. First it was 2 lbs pressure, now its closer to one. First it was a sting operation by the league, now its a ball boy. What if the ball boy leak came out last week, and then the media leaked it was a sting today. We would all be now talking about how its GOTTA be the sting, cause its fresh and hot news.

 

The ball boy story would be discarded like yesterdays news....

 

 

Doesn't the "sting " thing refer to the NFL trying to catch the Pats in the act of deflating footballs ? Are you saying that it was reported that the NFL was "responsible" for the "deflation ?" I'm missing something here... 

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Thing is (IMO) BB can deny this all he wants even if he knows there's bad evidence to the contrary. What does he have to lose ? He for sure wasn't the one who did the instructing. Brady says over and over " I didn't do anything to deflate the footballs." Our ball boys do a great job getting the balls ready. He on the other hand looked very guilty and minced his words very carefully. Anyway , BB can lie all he wants without fear of being caught if he's culpable. He knows there is no taped evidence of footballs being deflated . The NFL can pretty much prove it happened if the science doesn't back up what BB claims and my guess is that this is the outcome.

 

Say what you want about the pats, but that makes no sense at all. BB would not do that presser without the blessing of the owner. Brady is Krafts bread and butter. Kraft would not allow that presser to happen if they thought there was 1% chance it was any other reason for the balls being deflated. He would throw Belichick to the wolves before he would Brady.

 

If it was the ball boy, Brady knew. I can almost assure you BB and Kraft did not.

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Say what you want about the pats, but that makes no sense at all. BB would not do that presser without the blessing of the owner. Brady is Krafts bread and butter. Kraft would not allow that presser to happen if they thought there was 1% chance it was any other reason for the balls being deflated. He would throw Belichick to the wolves before he would Brady.

 

If it was the ball boy, Brady knew. I can almost assure you BB and Kraft did not.

 

 

Yeah.. I could buy that scenario. At this point in time , nothing would surprise me . I also think it's really bad that they leak stuff out  when they are saying it's two weeks away. 

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Say what you want about the pats, but that makes no sense at all. BB would not do that presser without the blessing of the owner. Brady is Krafts bread and butter. Kraft would not allow that presser to happen if they thought there was 1% chance it was any other reason for the balls being deflated. He would throw Belichick to the wolves before he would Brady.

 

If it was the ball boy, Brady knew. I can almost assure you BB and Kraft did not.

 

No freaking way man...I'm sorry but I vastly will argue here....BB is FAR...and I mean FAR FAR FAR more valuable than Brady to that Franchise. BB is the greatest coach of all time seriously (even without his cheating antics). He could take his team to the Super Bowl time and again with the likes of Jamarcus Russell and Tim Tebow. I guarantee...GUARANTEE you that BB is more valuable in the eyes of KRAFT than is Brady...I would absolutely put $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on that.

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Has anyone reported on exactly what the protocol is at that stage?

If they are supposed to be brought immediately/directly from the refs' locker room to the field, or what.

 

 

I watched a video of an NFL ref explaining what's suppose to happen. The answer is yes. Directly from that room to the playing field. The link below might have it...

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12232207/nfl-looking-new-england-patriots-locker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation

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Has anyone reported on exactly what the protocol is at that stage?

If they are supposed to be brought immediately/directly from the refs' locker room to the field, or what.

 

I have no idea, but not heading directly to the field..that's not cool at all. 

 

If there is no written protocol, then I suppose the best defense is, where does it say I cant use the bathroom? Maybe the dude heads to the head all the time. Maybe he never does..

 

we're in a vacuum. 

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No freaking way man...I'm sorry but I vastly will argue here....BB is FAR...and I mean FAR FAR FAR more valuable than Brady to that Franchise. BB is the greatest coach of all time seriously (even without his cheating antics). He could take his team to the Super Bowl time and again with the likes of Jamarcus Russell and Tim Tebow. I guarantee...GUARANTEE you that BB is more valuable in the eyes of KRAFT than is Brady...I would absolutely put $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on that.

 

Thats fine. This is simply a difference of opinion on that. You are certainly entitled to what you believe. 

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I have no idea, but not heading directly to the field..that's not cool at all. 

 

If there is no written protocol, then I suppose the best defense is, where does it say I cant use the bathroom? Maybe the dude heads to the head all the time. Maybe he never does..

 

we're in a vacuum. 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12232207/nfl-looking-new-england-patriots-locker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation

 

 

 

If it's not the first video in the link it will be the second one. Or you can just click on the spot to the right that says that video is next

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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12232207/nfl-looking-new-england-patriots-locker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation

 

 

 

If it's not the first video in the link it will be the second one. Or you can just click on the spot to the left that says that video is next

 

I believe you. And once you posted your response and I read it..I was like, dang, thats right, there was a vid out there. Thanks for pointing that out.

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No freaking way man...I'm sorry but I vastly will argue here....BB is FAR...and I mean FAR FAR FAR more valuable than Brady to that Franchise. BB is the greatest coach of all time seriously (even without his cheating antics). He could take his team to the Super Bowl time and again with the likes of Jamarcus Russell and Tim Tebow. I guarantee...GUARANTEE you that BB is more valuable in the eyes of KRAFT than is Brady...I would absolutely put $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on that.

Jamarcus Russell.  Lol. 

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Has anyone reported on exactly what the protocol is at that stage?

If they are supposed to be brought immediately/directly from the refs' locker room to the field, or what.

 

This is exactly what happens in the officials locker room.... well except this last time...

 

Report is from ex ref Jim Daopoulos who was an on-field NFL official from 1989-2000 and the NFL’s supervisor of officials from 2001-12

 

2 Hours and 15 minutes before the game-

 

"So the competition committee said, ‘We’re going to let the quarterbacks determine which footballs they want, practice with them all week, do what you want with them, as long as the football is not overly scuffed up. Then submit that ball to the officials, and the officials can tell if they’d want to use it for a game, and then they’ll stick a gauge into it and check the weight. Once they do that, that ball has met the requirements, and they put them in a bag, and they stay in that room with them, that locker room, until they leave to go to the field about 10 minutes before kickoff."

 

"The equipment manager will bring a bag of 12 or 24 footballs — it depends on the weather. The backup balls they’ll keep in the locker room or the replay room during the game. But those footballs come directly from each equipment manager in a bag, and once they go into the officials’ locker room, nobody has access to them except for the officials. So nobody can sneak in there and let the air out or put air in or do anything. There’s usually a security guard in there, so the footballs sit in the officials’ locker room for two hours until they go out onto the field"

 

"They have a gauge and they have to check every football. It’s usually given to the youngest or newest member of the crew — it’s almost like a rite of passage into the NFL. During the playoffs, it’s usually an alternate official, so it’s a veteran official that does it. I would not even question whether they did or not. It’s just something you do, like putting your pants on or getting ready for the game. They’re required to check the air. I don’t even question whether Walt and his crew did that."

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What is happening. Surely even the Pats fans see how....  I don't even know what the word is.... it is for Kraft to demand an apology?

 

Here is my opinion. I want to stress, mine :)

 

when spygate unfolded, BB really did think he was in the right. I dont agree, but I think for whatever reason, he did. Kraft actually called him a *. Kraft pretty much said, we did it, take your lumps and shut up. 

 

Now with this happening, they are positive they have the right information, and are fed up with the media and going on the offensive. Its all a PR game now. 

 

Do I know what they know or the NFL knows? I wish! 

 

But Kraft just threw down the gauntlet.

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Here is my opinion. I want to stress, mine :)

 

when spygate unfolded, BB really did think he was in the right. I dont agree, but I think for whatever reason, he did. Kraft actually called him a *. Kraft pretty much said, we did it, take your lumps and shut up. 

 

Now with this happening, they are positive they have the right information, and are fed up with the media and going on the offensive. Its all a PR game now. 

 

Do I know what they know or the NFL knows? I wish! 

 

But Kraft just threw down the gauntlet.

Kraft's drawn the line in the sand ,that's for sure.  Of course, if Bill's science doesn't hold up (or at least the NFL doesn't buy it) and there are no cameras in the room the locker room attendant went and everyone plays dumb, one has to wonder if the NFL will come down hard anyway.  You shouldn't get to avoid any punishment because everything that could lead to any direct proof is within the control of the accused and they do not produce any evidence that proves the Patriots either innocent or guilty. 

 

This isn't criminal court.  Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply nor does the beyond all reasonable doubt standard.  So for me, the circumstantial evidence is the PSI's of the football and whether Bill's explanation is supported by the science.  If it's not, I would ahve no problem laying down the axe.

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Kraft's drawn the line in the sand ,that's for sure.  Of course, if Bill's science doesn't hold up (or at least the NFL doesn't buy it) and there are no cameras in the room the locker room attendant went and everyone plays dumb, one has to wonder if the NFL will come down hard anyway.  You shouldn't get to avoid any punishment because everything that could lead to any direct proof is within the control of the accused and they do not produce any evidence that proves the Patriots either innocent or guilty. 

 

This isn't criminal court.  Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply nor does the beyond all reasonable doubt standard.  So for me, the circumstantial evidence is the PSI's of the football and whether Bill's explanation is supported by the science.  If it's not, I would ahve no problem laying down the axe.

 

They wont need an axe.

 

You have Kraft, one of the most powerful and influential owners in the league right now.

You have BB, when one talks of best coaches in any sport of all time, his name is in the discussion.

You have Brady. When people talk GOAT QB, his name is in the discussion.

 

to use a poker analogy, they just went all in on the flop, using their legacies as chips.

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I would be fine with the league making BB and TB dance around mid-field halftime during the Super Bowl in a ballerina costume with each other for the halftime show as punishment and then we can call it good.

Yes, that would suffice.

i can't wait until tomorrow. This,will be the greatest media day ever. BB may murder a reporter tomorrow.

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They wont need an axe.

 

You have Kraft, one of the most powerful and influential owners in the league right now.

You have BB, when one talks of best coaches in any sport of all time, his name is in the discussion.

You have Brady. When people talk GOAT QB, his name is in the discussion.

 

to use a poker analogy, they just went all in on the flop, using their legacies as chips.

Quite a bit to lose, though.  I suppose they have to.  What's the alternative?  "We don't have each other's backs?"  Anyway, I don't know that they really "win" unless their innocence is proved I don't think.  So it doesn't really do them much to find no proof of guilt without proof of innocence and an NFL apology won't save it.  At least not in the minds of a significant portion of hte general public, probably including myself.

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As much as you would like to believe kraft has that much power, he doesnt.

 

Kraft is one of his bosses. If you or I performed at our respective jobs the way Goodell has performed at his, this latest fiasco included, I would expect we would both be unemployed in short order. Whatever you think of the Patriots, you have to admit that this is yet another bungled cluster courtesy of Roger. Whoever leaked info to Kravitz and Mortensen last week should have been fired the next day. While I know that this has been like porn to the many Patriots detractors out there, if you step away from that and look at it impartially, you'd acknowledge that this has been an incredibly unprofessional and embarrasing performance by the league on the eve of their marquee event. It takes a real effort to screw up the Superbowl, but it seems Goodell has managed to do just that.

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Kraft is one of his bosses. If you or I performed at our respective jobs the way Goodell has performed at his, this latest fiasco included, I would expect we would both be unemployed in short order. Whatever you think of the Patriots, you have to admit that this is yet another bungled cluster courtesy of Roger. Whoever leaked info to Kravitz and Mortensen last week should have been fired the next day. While I know that this has been like porn to the many Patriots detractors out there, if you step away from that and look at it impartially, you'd acknowledge that this has been an incredibly unprofessional and embarrasing performance by the league on the eve of their marquee event. It takes a real effort to screw up the Superbowl, but it seems Goodell has managed to do just that.

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WEEI had an engineering professor from MIT on this morning. He said that a ball would lose .5 PSI for every 10 degrees if going from a warmer environment to a colder one. So he theorized that from 70 degrees to around 50 (inside temp vs. out) a ball measuring 12.5 PSI at the beginning of a football game drop to 11.5 by halftime. 

 

If you take Mortenson's report to be 100% accurate, that doesn't explain the 2 PSI drop. But there's been no verification either way on a lot of the details he presented. 

 

It also doesn't account for the Colts' footballs being measured. The MIT prof suggested that their balls also likely lost some air but since they didn't start at the low end of the 12.5-13.5 scale, it's more likely they lost some but stayed in the acceptable range. But didn't the reports say they lost no air at all? And, if the science is right, how the heck did they NOT lose pressure? It would be nice if the NFL would provide these details when their investigation wraps up. 

 

So my conclusion is... I don't know what to believe anymore, lol... you have people from Harvard and MIT and the USAF saying one thing, and Bill Nye and others saying another, and no one seems to have the same opinion on it. Which is weird, because it's physics. 

 

What's also interesting to me is that ESPN pulled a "sports science" video that concluded that a 10.5 PSI ball provides a 1.5% increase in "grip force" over a 12.5 PSI ball. And that the more deflated ball actually travels with LESS velocity. Whether or not the Patriots deliberately broke a rule has yet to be proven, but I thought it was funny that ESPN yanked the video down. 

 

It's been a real rotten week. I expect no sympathy but hope that people remember that as fans, we're complicit in nothing. I don't think it's OK to cheat, and people's football rooting interests should not be the basis of character judgments.

 

Like most NE fans, I've moved past the anger and frustration, and just want the game to get here. If they win this game with what will inevitably be the most watched/monitored set of footballs in history, people will still complain anyway. 

I believe Kraft, Belichick and Brady. ESPN is rotting everyone's brains. Brunell crying on sportscenter about this? Give me a break.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/24/espn-pulls-sports-science-deflate-gate-clip-exonerating-patriots-video/

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Kraft is one of his bosses. If you or I performed at our respective jobs the way Goodell has performed at his, this latest fiasco included, I would expect we would both be unemployed in short order. Whatever you think of the Patriots, you have to admit that this is yet another bungled cluster courtesy of Roger. Whoever leaked info to Kravitz and Mortensen last week should have been fired the next day. While I know that this has been like porn to the many Patriots detractors out there, if you step away from that and look at it impartially, you'd acknowledge that this has been an incredibly unprofessional and embarrasing performance by the league on the eve of their marquee event. It takes a real effort to screw up the Superbowl, but it seems Goodell has managed to do just that.

The embarrassing part for the other 31 owners is the fact that for a second time the pats are in another scandal. As far as three leak goes, if it weren't for that, this would have never come to light. Embarrassing for patriots fans yes, embarrassing to goodell, no.

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The embarrassing part for the other 31 owners ifs three fact that for a second time the pats are in another scandal. As far as three leak goes, if it weren't for that, this would have never come to light. Embarrassing for patriots fans yes, embarrassing to goodell, no.

 

Made up accusations with no foundation to them...that's not a scandal...it's a witch hunt.

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says you Seems i heard the same thing about spygate

 

You weren't paying attention to Spygate if you heard that. The Pats admitted to that and accepted their punishment. Bob Kraft is no dummy. If he's throwing out what he threw out tonight, you can bet that he's doing it knowing that the accusations the media have been irresponsibly tossing around thanks to the incompetence of the league when it comes to keeping leaks in house are false. So unless you or someone else has actual hard evidence that the Patriots tampered with the game balls, the slander needs to stop.

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If Kraft and the entire patriot organization is completely innocent, I can understand them being upset.  But, I don't think anything's wrong with the investigation and I don't think there's anything wrong with the information coming out.

 

It's a pretty serious situation and even avid pat fans have to admit.....pretty suspicious.

 

It's premature to ask for an apology.  I get that he wanted to vent and the best defense is a good offense and all.  But this doesn't change anything other that let people know he's angry.

 

then again maybe his anger is more powerful than I am aware of

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