Josh Wilson questions Chuck Pagano's coaching

[TKnight24]

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2014/12/22/7439013/chuck-pagano-pretends-like-continuity-matters-on-the-offensive-line

@Coltsfanwilson: Chuck Pagano Pretends Like Continuity Matters on the Offensive Line While Not Revealing his Starting Center

Good to know I'm not the only one who believes AQ Shipley should've never been benched and should be the the starting C

Enjoy

[sfergson727]

I have never understood why Shipley was benched in the first place...bonehead move if you ask me.

[MTC]

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2014/12/22/7439013/chuck-pagano-pretends-like-continuity-matters-on-the-offensive-line

@Coltsfanwilson: Chuck Pagano Pretends Like Continuity Matters on the Offensive Line While Not Revealing his Starting Center

Good to know I'm not the only one who believes AQ Shipley should've never been benched and should be the the starting C

Enjoy

 

I think the majority of Colts fans believe that AQ is the best center on this roster. 

[Mr.Debonair]

Pagano needs to be pressed more. Grigson too

[bestQBever]

Yeah its becoming clear that The coaching staff doesn't know what they are doing. The colts fan next door knows what problems this team has had for the past 6-8 weeks yet nothing has improved, nothing has changed. I don't want to see us win next week by 3 or 4 points and hear pagano say " we're not gonna apologize for winning". All of us want to see this team improve and come back to what it was weeks 3 to before the steelers game. In my opinion, Chuck pagano is just a slightly more inspirational version of Rex Ryan.

[TKnight24]

Yeah its becoming clear that The coaching staff doesn't know what they are doing. The colts fan next door knows what problems this team has had for the past 6-8 weeks yet nothing has improved, nothing has changed. I don't want to see us win next week by 3 or 4 points and hear pagano say " we're not gonna apologize for winning". All of us want to see this team improve and come back to what it was weeks 3 to before the steelers game. In my opinion, Chuck pagano is just a slightly more inspirational version of Rex Ryan.

You better preach!!!!

[jvan1973]

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2014/12/22/7439013/chuck-pagano-pretends-like-continuity-matters-on-the-offensive-line

@Coltsfanwilson: Chuck Pagano Pretends Like Continuity Matters on the Offensive Line While Not Revealing his Starting Center

Good to know I'm not the only one who believes AQ Shipley should've never been benched and should be the the starting C

Enjoy

You watch three games a season and you certainly don't go to practice. Your assessment is moot

[BlueCollarColts]

I think the majority of Colts fans believe that AQ is the best center on this roster. 

I think Harrison and Shipley are similar caliber players. One will be better one day, then the other might be better the next. I really don't care either way. 

[TKnight24]

I think Harrison and Shipley are similar caliber players. One will be better one day, then the other might be better the next. I really don't care either way.

*Shakes You*

You gotta care man!!!!! Our franchise QB life is at stake man!!!! Snap out of it!

[bestQBever]

You better preach!!!!

having said all that, if we do improve this week or even during the playoffs (and win) I'm willing to let pags off the hook. Everything is on pagano right now to prove that he can turn this team around. If he manages to pull it off with the lack of talent on this team then long live chuck. I'm not expecting this to happen but I can always hope.

[TKnight24]

having said all that, if we do improve this week or even during the playoffs (and win) I'm willing to let pags off the hook. Everything is on pagano right now to prove that he can turn this team around. If he manages to pull it off with the lack of talent on this team then long live chuck. I'm not expecting this to happen but I can always hope.

Beating the Titans isn't a good measuring stick though that's the problem

We don't play teams the caliber of the Titans in January. We play the top dawgs from the AFC. So to say we "turned it around" by besting the Titans would be a poor statement/nothing to be proud of

Only thing you could be proud of is we went 6-0 in the division and even then our division sucks so that's expected

[CanuckColt]

Chuck doesn't seem to know what he is doing...just get rid of him and get the next HC in place before the draft.

[CanuckColt]

Pagano makes Jim Caldwell look good.

[TKnight24]

Chuck doesn't seem to know what he is doing...just get rid of him and get the next HC in place before the draft.

Hope Washington fires Gruden, I'd love to have him. Tells it like it is and doesn't baby anyone. Not producing, that bench is your friend. Love Gruden.

[Flash7]

Beating the Titans isn't a good measuring stick though that's the problem

We don't play teams the caliber of the Titans in January. We play the top dawgs from the AFC. So to say we "turned it around" by besting the Titans would be a poor statement/nothing to be proud of

Only thing you could be proud of is we went 6-0 in the division and even then our division sucks so that's expected

You're right. Beating the Titans will not prove anything, however, if we lose....then we have real problems!

 

If we destroy the Titans, it will not mean anything. At best, just another win. But the worst that can happen is that a dominant win can make the Colts complacent again.

[TKnight24]

You're right. Beating the Titans will not prove anything, however, if we lose....then we have real problems!

If we destroy the Titans, it will not mean anything. At best, just another win. But the worst that can happen is that a dominant win can make the Colts complacent again.

We lose to the Titans I'm just gonna drown my sorrows in numerous glasses of apple juice and countless hours of GTA V Online

[NewColtsFan]

Hope Washington fires Gruden, I'd love to have him. Tells it like it is and doesn't baby anyone. Not producing, that bench is your friend. Love Gruden.

 

If you're talking about Jon Gruden,  the former coach of Tampa and Oakland -- fine.

 

But if you're talking about Jay Gruden of Washington?    Thanks, I'll take a pass.

[Colts_Fan12]

You watch three games a season and you certainly don't go to practice. Your assessment is moot

funny he posts all the time but never responds to you lol

[RockThatBlue]

I think the majority of Colts fans believe that AQ is the best center on this roster.

Some people will tell you otherwise, but I don't know why. Shipley is not great, but I'd take him every day over Harrison. Harrison has been really bad.

[TKnight24]

Some people will tell you otherwise, but I don't know why. Shipley is not great, but I'd take him every day over Harrison. Harrison has been really bad.

[masterlock]

It's like I said in another thread, when the same mistakes keep happening, and we see failures one every level, coaching--not just Pagano, but positional coaches, OC, DC, you name it--is the most likely explanation. When you have players out of position, that's coaching. When you have poor technique, that's coaching. Stupid penalties/lack of discipline, that's coaching. Poor game-planning, poor play-calling (don't get me started about the 3 straight run plays to start the game, including a run on 3rd and long), that's coaching.

 

There needs to be some changes. But realistically, we're in for at least another year of the same. I see Grigs and Irsay giving Pagano and company at least 4 years to prove themselves. This is year-3.

[Colts_Fan12]

Some people will tell you otherwise, but I don't know why. Shipley is not great, but I'd take him every day over Harrison. Harrison has been really bad.

prolly cause the ones who disagree know Harrison is a rookie and Shipley has already reached his celing and yet he still isn't much better anyway our board just overrates him way way WAY too much

[Flash7]

Some people will tell you otherwise, but I don't know why. Shipley is not great, but I'd take him every day over Harrison. Harrison has been really bad.

Shipley might be the best center that we have on our roster. Harrison might have the most potential. But right now, it appears that Shipley is better and should be our starter. Let Harrison and Holmes battle it out in camp for the 2015 season if you don't think Shipley is the future at center.

[BlueCollarColts]

*Shakes You*

You gotta care man!!!!! Our franchise QB life is at stake man!!!! Snap out of it!

Switching to Shipley won't change much. Slightly better is the absolute most it would do. 

[TKnight24]

Switching to Shipley won't change much. Slightly better is the absolute most it would do.

Isn't it the coaches job to play the best players every week?

Even though you only believe he's slightly better, that's still saying you believe he's better so therefore he should start

[Colts_Fan12]

Switching to Shipley won't change much. Slightly better is the absolute most it would do.

someone not completely delusional!!!! Awesome to know I'm not alone

[Flash7]

Switching to Shipley won't change much. Slightly better is the absolute most it would do. 

It would change a lot. Slightly better play, as you mentioned, but what affect would it have in the locker room? Knowing that if you play well, you can keep your job. You can be rewarded for good play, instead of being replaced by a mistake-prone undrafted rookie. Sure, Harrison has a lot of potential, but right now, let the best players play. In the off season, let them battle it out for the next season.

[MTC]

By the way....

 

Pagano comes up with the worst excuses. It's kinda embarrassing. 

[GoColts8818]

prolly cause the ones who disagree know Harrison is a rookie and Shipley has already reached his celing and yet he still isn't much better anyway our board just overrates him way way WAY too much

pretty much how I feel. Shipley might be a little better but I don't think it's nearly by the amount the forum makes it out to be. I think the coaches play Harrison because they feel Shipley is at the level he will be but Harrison can be s long term answer if he gets experience but the only way he will get that experience is to play him.

With that said I am not saying it will work but just how I think the Colts view it. It's also worth mentioning that when the Colts first went to Harrison it was hinted by the local media that it wasn't Pagsno's call which is why he never truly gave an answer for it.

[BlueCollarColts]

Isn't it the coaches job to play the best players every week?

Even though you only believe he's slightly better, that's still saying you believe he's better so therefore he should start

I said at absolute best slightly better. It may not be an improvement at all. Shipley is easily the most overrated player on this team. i would probably start him just to see how he does, but wow this board overrates him so much. 

[Colts_Fan12]

pretty much how I feel. Shipley might be a little better but I don't think it's nearly by the amount the forum makes it out to be. I think the coaches play Harrison because they feel Shipley is at the level he will be but Harrison can be s long term answer if he gets experience but the only way he will get that experience is to play him.

With that said I am not saying it will work but just how I think the Colts view it. It's also worth mentioning that when the Colts first went to Harrison it was hinted by the local media that it wasn't Pagsno's call which is why he never truly gave an answer for it.

Shipley is gonna take us all the way to the Super Bowl this year we better jump on board

[tfunky14]

Pagano makes Jim Caldwell look good.

And the Colts fan base wanted him gone...hym.....different coach, same criticism..

[NewColtsFan]

This is a spectacularly dumb thread.

 

Josh Wilson writes:  "Chuck Pagano Pretends Like Continuity Matters on the Offensive Line While Not Revealing his Starting Center"

 

What the HECK does that even mean.    Because it doesn't make sense.

 

Using "pretends" is an attack.   And then he implies that Pagano's position is ridiculous simply because Pagano won't reveal to Wilson who the center on Sunday's game is on a Monday.  

 

That is the biggest steaming pile of nonsense posted here in some time.    And all of you applauding it got suckered in for nothing.

 

You don't like Pagano, so you cheer for Josh Wilson.    Never mind that his criticism makes zero sense and he comes across like a 12 year old with a computer.    His mom and dad need to activate the parental control function on his computer because he's just posting internet spam and nothing more.     It's nonsense.     And if he were here, I'd be happy to tell him that.....

[RockThatBlue]

Switching to Shipley won't change much. Slightly better is the absolute most it would do.

Slightly better is still better.

[GoColts8818]

This is a spectacularly dumb thread.

 

Josh Wilson writes:  "Chuck Pagano Pretends Like Continuity Matters on the Offensive Line While Not Revealing his Starting Center"

 

What the HECK does that even mean.    Because it doesn't make sense.

 

Using "pretends" is an attack.   And then he implies that Pagano's position is ridiculous simply because Pagano won't reveal to Wilson who the center on Sunday's game is on a Monday.  

 

That is the biggest steaming pile of nonsense posted here in some time.    And all of you applauding it got suckered in for nothing.

 

You don't like Pagano, so you cheer for Josh Wilson.    Never mind that his criticism makes zero sense and he comes across like a 12 year old with a computer.    His mom and dad need to activate the parental control function on his computer because he's just posting internet spam and nothing more.     It's nonsense.     And if he were here, I'd be happy to tell him that.....

ill be honest I had no idea who Josh Wilson was before this thread. He looks like Colts fanboy who writes for stampede blue the same webpage Brad Wells wrote for for years who had a known bias against all things Pagano and Grigson. Hes a glorified version of one of us here.

[Shive]

Pagano makes Jim Caldwell look good.

You're insane. Caldwell was TERRIBLE, looked lost at all times, and could not run this team.

I honestly think that Harrison is the better physical talent, but Shipley can make all of the line calls, which makes the line as a whole better. At this point in the season, you start Shipley, because he gives you the best chance to win now. We can work on developing Harrison in the offseason..

[TKnight24]

ill be honest I had no idea who Josh Wilson was before this thread. He looks like Colts fanboy who writes for stampede blue the same webpage Brad Wells wrote for for years who had a known bias against all things Pagano and Grigson. Hes a glorified version of one of us here.

Stephen Holder and other Colts reporters/writers are starting to criticize Pagano as well for what it's worth

[Nesjan3]

Bottom line. if we are one and done in the playoffs, especially if its a blowout which I am scared it will be. The coaching staff needs to change no question about it. Some may say we have had three 3 eleven win season blah blah blah, we play in the weakest division in the NFL and 11 wins is not good enough when you cant beat the good teams! This coaching staff is making our team worse not better I have sayd it multiple times and will say it again, Luck is the only reason we win games. Pep and Pags need to go

[GoColts8818]

You're insane. Caldwell was TERRIBLE, looked lost at all times, and could not run this team.

I honestly think that Harrison is the better physical talent, but Shipley can make all of the line calls, which makes the line as a whole better. At this point in the season, you start Shipley, because he gives you the best chance to win now. We can work on developing Harrison in the offseason..

he got the Colts to a Super Bowl, something only one other Indianapolis coach can say. He's also got the Lions in the playoffs in his first year there and took over a struggling Ravens offense mid-season and helped coach them to a Super Bowl title. I don't think Caldwell is great but I also don't think he is as bad as fans here want him to be either.

[TKnight24]

Bottom line. if we are one and done in the playoffs, especially if its a blowout which I am scared it will be. The coaching staff needs to change no question about it. Some may say we have had three 3 eleven win season blah blah blah, we play in the weakest division in the NFL and 11 wins is not good enough when you cant beat the good teams! This coaching staff is making our team worse not better I have sayd it multiple times and will say it again, Luck is the only reason we win games. Pep and Pags need to go

Yep. 11 wins isn't impressive when 6 are basically 95% guaranteed