Here's my take on the roster

[theanarchist]

Here's my take on the roster. First of all let me say that this team is good enough to win the weakest division in the NFL and that's it. We can beat average to below average teams but anyone that has above average talent we are getting killed by.

 

Offense

 

RB: With a healthy Bradshaw this a is a slightly below average group. Without him it is one of the weakest groups in the entire NFL. Richardson is absolutely good for nothing other than a 3rd down back. All the rest are no more than depth players on any other NFL roster.

 

WR: Average. TY is a true #1 WR. Moncrief looks like a future solid #2. Reggie is playing hurt and is nowhere near being his true self. Nicks has underachieved.

 

OL: Bottom 10 of the league right now. Costanzo is a very middle of the pack LT and he's our best linemen. The C and RG play have been bad and the RT play has been no better this year. I realize Cherilus is hurt but he has struggled big time.

 

TE: Average. Each player has shown some promise but nothing that I can honestly say makes any of our players at this position stand out.

 

qB: Good. Luck would benefit from some protection and a playmaker in the backfield.

 

Defense:

 

S: Bottom half of the league. There just isn't much talent in that group and Landry has severely disappointed.

 

CB: Above average. Davis and Toler are a really good starting pair.

 

LB: Without Mathis this group is slightly below average. With Mathis its above average. I think Walden has played well this year. Our 2 inside backers have not had a good year at all.

 

DL: below average. Not a playmaker in the bunch.

 

An NFL roster has to have a had full of playmakers in it. Luck and TY are playmakers on offense. Davis is a playing great at CB but we need more talent on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball before this team can compete with the NE's, Denver's and Seattle's.

[rko_kero]

Finally. We were waiting for your take on the roster. 

[theanarchist]

Finally. We were waiting for your take on the roster. 

If you don't want my opinion don't read it and don't post to it. It's that simple instead of posting something that basically is a derogatory comment and adds nothing to the board.

[12isthenew18]

You need to realize lots of teams would love to have the colts TE's also Freeman is gonna stay because he's restricted so we'd be able to keep him for 2m on 2nd round tender

[rko_kero]

If you don't want my opinion don't read it and don't post to it. It's that simple instead of posting something that basically is a derogatory comment and adds nothing to the board.

 

You couldn't put this opinion in your other thread here (that you just started)?

 

http://forums.colts.com/topic/33989-no-excuse-for-this-performance/ 

[theanarchist]

You couldn't put this opinion in your other thread here (that you just started)?

 

http://forums.colts.com/topic/33989-no-excuse-for-this-performance/ 

I could have. It's 2 different topics. I'll ask your opinion about starting threads from now on boss.

[theanarchist]

You need to realize lots of teams would love to have the colts TE's also Freeman is gonna stay because he's restricted so we'd be able to keep him for 2m on 2nd round tender

I think the TE's are solid but nothing that I would call great. Both have their moments. I think both need to be more consistent.

[Colts_Fan12]

Don't agree so much on the CBs Toler gets burnt alot

[Smonroe]

I think the TE's are solid but nothing that I would call great. Both have their moments. I think both need to be more consistent.

Pretty fair assessment. Can't argue with the performance.

I feel the talent isn't as bad as the output. In other words, players aren't being used or coached to the best of their ability.

There are teams with as bad or worse lines who do a better job running and protecting the QB. I'm no expert but I think the talent there is as good as GB or Seattle. Coaching, plays and schemes are horrible. Just MHO.

[drums1st]

I agree with your assment of the roster. I think step 1 is fixing the OL (which I outlined on pg 2 of the OL topic). 

Basicly I think you bring in 2 good vet FA guards. Move Mewhort to tackle & let he & John battle it out for the RT spot & cut Cherilus. Let Holmes & Harrison battle it out for center. The other guards on the current roster can battle it out for backup spots.

A better OL is a better offense even with the same other position personnel. 

 

On defense start with the front 7. The DL & Inside linebackers need the most upgrade. Then the safety's. 

[a06cc]

Castonzo isn't our best anything. Time for people to start realizing it. Doesn't fit our power scheme. He is a zone blocking tackle who isn't elite and can't handle one on ones. He does dominate lesser opponents. I'll give him that.

[Jdubu]

Castonzo isn't our best anything. Time for people to start realizing it. Doesn't fit our power scheme. He is a zone blocking tackle who isn't elite and can't handle one on ones. He does dominate lesser opponents. I'll give him that.

I'm not so sure this whole group wouldn't be improved in zone blocking but AC is a quality LT. I love Mewhort. I'm intrigued by Holmes because we don't know. I like a healthy cherilus, which he hasn't been all year. It's that center and RG that is our problem. I don't like the coaching at all here though. As others have said, teams have less and do more with them than we do.

[mystrymaster]

Finally. We were waiting for your take on the roster. 

 

We were even more anxiously awaiting your take on his take!

[mystrymaster]

Don't agree so much on the CBs Toler gets burnt alot

Toler does get burnt a lot but that is because he is targeted so much. People avoid throwing at Davis unless they have to so he is the one who is on call more often than not.

[HungarianColtsFan]

Don't agree so much on the CBs Toler gets burnt alot

 

Unfortunately so true.

[DougDew]

Good assessment. But I would rate:

RB: Very Bad. All are replaceable, and should be next year.

WR: Bad. If TY is a #1, he would be a below average #1. He's an above average #2. Moncrief may be a prospect, but he has shown nothing other than the ability to run down the field quickly, kind of like what any WR can do. Wayne is done and Hicks is just about there too.

OL: Bad. AC is a good LT and is worth keeping. Mewhort looks like a keeper and I would like to see what he does as a RT. Churn the other positions again, and it wouldn't matter.

LB: Bad: Walden and Werner are decent. ILBs are very bad.

S: Bad, Need 2 new starters, with Adams and Sergio being good backups.

[coltsfanatic24]

The offensive line is good enough to win games, we just need a RG. The reason we're losing to elite teams is because of the defense. The team still needs 2 good pass rushers, ILB, and a CB to compete with the best teams. Need an upgrade over Walden, Jackson, and Toler.

[MR. Blueblood]

The offensive line is good enough to win games, we just need a RG. The reason we're losing to elite teams is because of the defense. The team still needs 2 good pass rushers, ILB, and a CB to compete with the best teams. Need an upgrade over Walden, Jackson, and Toler.

If this offensive line is good enough to win games, how's come we can't run the ball and they struggle to keep Luck standing?

 

The more important question is not whether this line is good enough to win games, but is it good enough to win a SB?

 

If the answer to that question is no, which IMO it is no, then you need to fix it until it is capable of winning you a SB.  

 

And the answer is a whole lot more than just fixing the RG

[jameszeigler834]

If this offensive line is good enough to win games, how's come we can't run the ball and they struggle to keep Luck standing?

 

The more important question is not whether this line is good enough to win games, but is it good enough to win a SB?

 

If the answer to that question is no, which IMO it is no, then you need to fix it until it is capable of winning you a SB.  

 

And the answer is a whole lot more than just fixing the RG

I don't know what Offensive line you have been watching but its not the colts its pathetic line can win when people are in your backfield on every play.

[MR. Blueblood]

I don't know what Offensive line you have been watching but its not the colts its pathetic line can win when people are in your backfield on every play.

Are you meaning to be talking to me?

 

I'm in agreement that this line is pitiful.

 

And it needs a lot more than just a RG to fix it.  

[coltsfanatic24]

Castonzo, Mewhort, and Cherilus when healthy have been good. Harrison, Thornton, and Lewis is why the o-line look so bad. Holmes look good in preseason and yesterday, we just need a RG who can block. We're still a top 5 offense despite the bad play from C and RG.The reason were not superbowl contenders is because of the defense and Luck turning the ball over. Grigson overpaid for a bunch of below average players. Landry, Walden, Toler, RJF and Jackson all need to be replaced in the offseason. 

 

If this offensive line is good enough to win games, how's come we can't run the ball and they struggle to keep Luck standing?

 

The more important question is not whether this line is good enough to win games, but is it good enough to win a SB?

 

If the answer to that question is no, which IMO it is no, then you need to fix it until it is capable of winning you a SB.  

 

And the answer is a whole lot more than just fixing the RG

[MR. Blueblood]

Castonzo, Mewhort, and Cherilus when healthy have been good. Harrison, Thornton, and Lewis is why the o-line look so bad. Holmes look good in preseason and yesterday, we just need a RG who can block. We're still a top 5 offense despite the bad play from C and RG.The reason were not superbowl contenders is because of the defense and Luck turning the ball over. Grigson overpaid for a bunch of below average players. Landry, Walden, Toler, RJF and Jackson all need to be replaced in the offseason. 

I'm sorry but I doubt that anybody is going to look at this line and say that anybody besides the LT and LG are worth a damn right now and in the future.  The C, RG, and RT have been a liability all season long.

 

I agree that the defense is in need of a huge overhaul themselves, but I will stand by my following statement.

 

This team will not win a SB with an O-line that consists of these players.  

 

If you think that this line can get the Colts to a SB and win it, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Surge89]

Here's my take on the roster. First of all let me say that this team is good enough to win the weakest division in the NFL and that's it. We can beat average to below average teams but anyone that has above average talent we are getting killed by.

 

Offense

 

RB: With a healthy Bradshaw this a is a slightly below average group. Without him it is one of the weakest groups in the entire NFL. Richardson is absolutely good for nothing other than a 3rd down back. All the rest are no more than depth players on any other NFL roster.  Mostly agree.

 

WR: Average. TY is a true #1 WR. Moncrief looks like a future solid #2. Reggie is playing hurt and is nowhere near being his true self. Nicks has underachieved.  TY may be a number one but he isn't on Reggie's level.  He may never be.  Too much expectation here.  Also Moncrief looks solid on what exactly?  Running a Go?, The rest I can agree with.

 

OL: Bottom 10 of the league right now. Costanzo is a very middle of the pack LT and he's our best linemen. The C and RG play have been bad and the RT play has been no better this year. I realize Cherilus is hurt but he has struggled big time.  Strongly Disagree.  In comparison to all of the other olines in the NFL we have a very talented oline.  The scheme though is awful and the talent isn't being utilized.  This is easily a top 15 talent level oline.

 

TE: Average. Each player has shown some promise but nothing that I can honestly say makes any of our players at this position stand out.  Again do not agree.  Our TE's are way above average.  They have top 10 talent both of them.  The issue again is scheme and utilization.

 

qB: Good. Luck would benefit from some protection and a playmaker in the backfield.  Agreed.  Luck is very good.  But again I'll say he is not utilized like he should.  We have to stop treating him like Peyton and treat him like a young QB, or else the turnovers are just going to get worse and worse.  Not everyone is Manning that can overcome bad coaching.

 

Defense:

 

S: Bottom half of the league. There just isn't much talent in that group and Landry has severely disappointed.  Agreed

 

CB: Above average. Davis and Toler are a really good starting pair.  Agreed A decent safety could help Toler and make this an elite group.

 

LB: Without Mathis this group is slightly below average. With Mathis its above average. I think Walden has played well this year. Our 2 inside backers have not had a good year at all.  With Mathis I still believe this unit is average.  The ILB are some of the worst I've seen play.  I don't know if this is a coaching issue with fundamentals or just plain lack of talent, but something is vastly wrong on the inside.

 

DL: below average. Not a playmaker in the bunch. Strongly disagree.  We have an above average D-line(maybe average since the NT leaves a lot to be desired).  They have lots of talent, but yet again they are often utilized horribly.  The weakest point like always is the middle...

 

An NFL roster has to have a had full of playmakers in it. Luck and TY are playmakers on offense. Davis is a playing great at CB but we need more talent on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball before this team can compete with the NE's, Denver's and Seattle's.  Completely agree that we lack play makers.  I don't understand why its so hard to figure out that a good defense usually has a play making center fielder, whether it is a safety or middle LBer. But the Colts seem to never want to invest in one.

 

My responses in Bold

[theanarchist]

My responses in Bold

I respect your assessments. My only disagreement really is with the OL. I just don't think that the talent is where it should be yet. I think if Cherilus were healthy it would make a pretty significant difference. We need a healthy Cherilus, if that's possible, and an upgrade in play out of LG and C whether it be scheme or talent.

 

I won't disagree with your assertion that talent is not being utilized properly as a whole.

[Dark Superman]

I actually think the defensive front looks great at times creating pressure.. Chapman was a bowling ball out ther and Jackson looked solid..

[throwing BBZ]

Good assessment. But I would rate:

RB: Very Bad. All are replaceable, and should be next year.

WR: Bad. If TY is a #1, he would be a below average #1. He's an above average #2. Moncrief may be a prospect, but he has shown nothing other than the ability to run down the field quickly, kind of like what any WR can do. Wayne is done and Hicks is just about there too.

OL: Bad. AC is a good LT and is worth keeping. Mewhort looks like a keeper and I would like to see what he does as a RT. Churn the other positions again, and it wouldn't matter.

LB: Bad: Walden and Werner are decent. ILBs are very bad.

S: Bad, Need 2 new starters, with Adams and Sergio being good backups.

 

 Mewhort has slower feet than Link. He was a BIG Mistake.

[Jason_]

I disagree about the DL.  With the type of defense the colts run, the DL isn't going to be filled with playmakers.  Aside from Ngata, what other big time playmakers do the Ravens have on their DL? 

 

For what it's worth, I just added up the sacks for the DL players for NYJ, Balt and Indy. 

 

Jets - 15.5 sacks

Ravens - 7 sacks

Colts - 11.5 sacks

[sundance75]

Castonzo, Mewhort, and Cherilus when healthy have been good. Harrison, Thornton, and Lewis is why the o-line look so bad. Holmes look good in preseason and yesterday, we just need a RG who can block. We're still a top 5 offense despite the bad play from C and RG.The reason were not superbowl contenders is because of the defense and Luck turning the ball over. Grigson overpaid for a bunch of below average players. Landry, Walden, Toler, RJF and Jackson all need to be replaced in the offseason. 

 

I'm sorry but I doubt that anybody is going to look at this line and say that anybody besides the LT and LG are worth a damn right now and in the future.  The C, RG, and RT have been a liability all season long.

 

I agree that the defense is in need of a huge overhaul themselves, but I will stand by my following statement.

 

This team will not win a SB with an O-line that consists of these players.  

 

If you think that this line can get the Colts to a SB and win it, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

Holmes looked good yesterday???  The line was actually praised when Shipley played, as I recall at the beginning of the year, major improvement.  It has done nothing but regress since he was benched

[theanarchist]

I disagree about the DL.  With the type of defense the colts run, the DL isn't going to be filled with playmakers.  Aside from Ngata, what other big time playmakers do the Ravens have on their DL? 

 

For what it's worth, I just added up the sacks for the DL players for NYJ, Balt and Indy. 

 

Jets - 15.5 sacks

Ravens - 7 sacks

Colts - 11.5 sacks

I checked the game stats from the games that we played teams with winning records. The DL has 5 sacks in those games and 3 of them came against the Bengal. Games such as Pittsburgh, Dallas, and NE they DL got absolutely embarrassed. Remember the 4 TD performance by NE RB? I would hate to go back and figure the QB rating for manning, Brady, Romo, Rothlesburger etc. it has to be astronomical.

[theanarchist]

I actually think the defensive front looks great at times creating pressure.. Chapman was a bowling ball out ther and Jackson looked solid..

Do I need to remind you of the NE and Pittsburgh games? Its tough to figure out but I think that we sometimes get the benefit of playing in a very weak division and the stats get padded. See my post above.

[Dark Superman]

Do I need to remind you of the NE and Pittsburgh games? Its tough to figure out but I think that we sometimes get the benefit of playing in a very weak division and the stats get padded. See my post above.

Those were two tough losses on the road. With the right game plan I think we could be very good against the run. Belicheck out coaches us every year.

[ColtStronger]

Do I need to remind you of the NE and Pittsburgh games? Its tough to figure out but I think that we sometimes get the benefit of playing in a very weak division and the stats get padded. See my post above.

You dont think we couldn't win in the NFC South NO, CAR, or ATL, or TB?  They're almost as bad! 

[theanarchist]

You dont think we couldn't win in the NFC South NO, CAR, or ATL, or TB?  They're almost as bad! 

We probably could. Those are the two weakest divisions in football.

[theanarchist]

Those were two tough losses on the road. With the right game plan I think we could be very good against the run. Belicheck out coaches us every year.

Call it outcoaching but the defensive front got their butts whipped in those two games and they get little pressure against better teams. I don't think that can be argued based on the stats that I just mentioned. We could be worse but I think we need a playmaker in that group.

[Flash7]

Good assessment. But I would rate:

RB: Very Bad. All are replaceable, and should be next year.

WR: Bad. If TY is a #1, he would be a below average #1. He's an above average #2. Moncrief may be a prospect, but he has shown nothing other than the ability to run down the field quickly, kind of like what any WR can do. Wayne is done and Hicks is just about there too.

OL: Bad. AC is a good LT and is worth keeping. Mewhort looks like a keeper and I would like to see what he does as a RT. Churn the other positions again, and it wouldn't matter.

LB: Bad: Walden and Werner are decent. ILBs are very bad.

S: Bad, Need 2 new starters, with Adams and Sergio being good backups.

I still don't understand why people don't get that T.Y. is a #1 receiver.

 

Is Dez Bryant an #1 receiver? If so, he has 84 catches, 1221 yards and an average of 14.5 yards per catch.

 

T.Y. has 82 receptions, 1345 yards and an average f 16.4 per catch, and 1 less game played. People will look at Dez and say he's taller, bigger, more talented, etc.... meanwhile, T.Y. will go out and ball out.

[MR. Blueblood]

I still don't understand why people don't get that T.Y. is a #1 receiver.

 

Is Dez Bryant an #1 receiver? If so, he has 84 catches, 1221 yards and an average of 14.5 yards per catch.

 

T.Y. has 82 receptions, 1345 yards and an average f 16.4 per catch, and 1 less game played. People will look at Dez and say he's taller, bigger, more talented, etc.... meanwhile, T.Y. will go out and ball out.

Totally agree!

 

Steve Smith is a smaller WR and he was Carolina's #1 for years.  

 

Just because T.Y. doesn't have Megatron's height doesn't mean that he can't be the #1.

[colts_100nascar17fan]

I don't get y some people get so bent out of shape when fans critique this team. I'm a huge colts fan and have been since early 80's. However I can atleast admit that my team sucks(very average at best team). The facts and stats tell the truth so why get all * over it. Face reality instead of living in dream land.

[Defjamz26]

I think the TE's are solid but nothing that I would call great. Both have their moments. I think both need to be more consistent.

Most teams have average TEs. IDK what team you think has excellent TEs. When it comes to elite TEs, Graham,Davis, Thomas, and Gronk are really the only ones. TE isn't a position you're going to get 2 elite players at. Fleener and Allen are an above average TE duos. Any team would kill to have 2 guys that skilled at TE.

[peytonmanning18]

No one cares about your take on the roster, now lock this thread please mods

[lollygagger8]

I disagree about the DL.  With the type of defense the colts run, the DL isn't going to be filled with playmakers.  Aside from Ngata, what other big time playmakers do the Ravens have on their DL? 

 

For what it's worth, I just added up the sacks for the DL players for NYJ, Balt and Indy. 

 

Jets - 15.5 sacks

Ravens - 7 sacks

Colts - 11.5 sacks

 

Thanks for the data.  

 

I wonder which teams did our sacks come against? 

 

I would guess the majority of our sacks came from some of the crappier teams, and not the elite ones.