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I have no doubts Vontae will play.  If T.Y. does not play it can be good in some ways because Luck needs to build report with other guys like Moncreif as well as Nicks over the middle.  I think we can still win, especially if we spend more time getting Boom Herron going with the running game to open the pass game up a bit.

If need be, put TRich in the slot !!

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So if New England gets upset by the Bills & Jets (who have nothing else to lose and everything to gain by going out beating New England) or some similar miracle causes Denver to lose this week and get upset by Oakland who nearly took out New England, so anything is possible, we'll really regret not playing guys who were healthy.   Without Hilton or Davis, this game will be a blowout.  They are the two most important people on the team after Luck.  Even if they never threw Hilton the ball a single time and he knew they, he could act as decoy while taking very little health risk, unless running routes is too dangerous.  Davis, on the other hand is all we have to hope to win a playoff game or two, so if he's not ready, he has to sit and we simply take a third 11-5 season, (and by far our most underachieving one) and risk one and done in the playoffs being the #4 seed and getting the hottest Wildcard team (Pittsburg?).  

 

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The colts have 3 good tight ends, Rest reggie and use coby in the slot and use the other 2 for a 2 tight end set for the run game, As for the O-line cannot say much their I have  said in past threads the colts have issiues in their scheme, Are they playing the power run or zone or a basic man up each week I see different sets, Would be nice to see the line play a good game together as a whole but again who knows, Need to feed Herron as much as possible to run the clock and wear down the defenses, As you know at the beginning of season The colts controlled the clock need to get back to that and the only way to do this is start fast and let the opposition play catch up. Without Davis in the lineup might not be bad I have seen the defense hold their own the past few weeks. As for the seedings do not really care because we will have to play the best to be the best, I am happy we won the division and made the playoffs. 

 

  GO COLTS!!!!

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Guys will whalen be available this week for dallas? Also any news on duron carter? I just want to say that why are we only going with 4 WR's each game? Why don't we just activate griff, lenz or langford. Both lenz and langord have got speed as well . At least try it and see what happens. And the fact that reggie has been banged up for how many weeks in a row now, why do we still only go with 4 WR's? And now if hilton doesn't suit up or even if he does he won't be 100% we have to activate griff, lenz, or langford. This is really starting to * me off.

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Pagano said earlier in the week Hilton was fine.

Now he's missing the game. I am also in doubt of Vonte Davis playing with the mysterious signing of Sheldon Price.

But Pags says "we will not rest our players!"

 

 

Yeah but don't you think we will just go to the lineup we had against the Browns if Vontae was really hurt?  Toler, Butler and Gordy.  Jalil Brown.

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Yeah but don't you think we will just go to the lineup we had against the Browns if Vontae was really hurt?  Toler, Butler and Gordy.  Jalil Brown.

Yep. Creepy thought, This time around we will actually be facing a quality QB unlike Hoyer

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Even if TY is feeling better I would give him rest.  It doesn't take much to reaggrivate an injury like that.  I don't want to have any setbacks before the playoffs.  I kind of think we should sit Reggie also.  Force Nicks and Moncrief to step-up, and make it so Andrew doesn't have his go to guys, so he can work out his kinks with the other 2.  I understand it's bad logic, and we would probably lose, but I believe if we beat Tennessee, we get the #3 seed.   It's wishful thinking for NE or DEN to lose their final 2 games.  Not much at risk if we lose, but if we lose a key player, trying to play in this game, so close to the playoffs, it could hurt us more.  I'm glad Cherilus and Thornton are getting more time off, I just hope they're 100% come playoff time. 

I disagree.  At this time of year, you can't play to "not lose".  You have to play every game to win.  Can't take cautious actions, the team needs to be prepared for the postseason.  The Colts need to be playing towards a peak.

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Even if TY is feeling better I would give him rest.  It doesn't take much to reaggrivate an injury like that.  I don't want to have any setbacks before the playoffs.  I kind of think we should sit Reggie also.  Force Nicks and Moncrief to step-up, and make it so Andrew doesn't have his go to guys, so he can work out his kinks with the other 2.  I understand it's bad logic, and we would probably lose, but I believe if we beat Tennessee, we get the #3 seed.   It's wishful thinking for NE or DEN to lose their final 2 games.  Not much at risk if we lose, but if we lose a key player, trying to play in this game, so close to the playoffs, it could hurt us more.  I'm glad Cherilus and Thornton are getting more time off, I just hope they're 100% come playoff time. 

Just how exactly do you force Nicks and Moncrief to step up?  How does that work?

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Just how exactly do you force Nicks and Moncrief to step up?  How does that work?

 

I'd say if you're trying to get them to step up,  you start them both.    They get the snaps as the starters as TYH is sat down for his Hammie and Reggie is the 3rd WR.

 

Now,  whether this works or not is unknown until you try it,  but that's how I'd do it if you want them to step up.

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I disagree.  At this time of year, you can't play to "not lose".  You have to play every game to win.  Can't take cautious actions, the team needs to be prepared for the postseason.  The Colts need to be playing towards a peak.

Given that mentality now, especially since we got beat so bad "playing to win", would you have changed your mind if Luck would've broke his right "throwing" arm because Nixon blocks like he should be on somebodies practice squad?  Or any other key player for that matter? 

 

My point was we are a lock for a WC home game, but couldn't get a #1 or #2 seed (w/o extreme circumstances), so what's the point putting our players at risk?

 

I was very happy to see Luck benched so early.  The line was downright horrendous!!

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Given that mentality now, especially since we got beat so bad "playing to win", would you have changed your mind if Luck would've broke his right "throwing" arm because Nixon blocks like he should be on somebodies practice squad?  Or any other key player for that matter? 

 

My point was we are a lock for a WC home game, but couldn't get a #1 or #2 seed (w/o extreme circumstances), so what's the point putting our players at risk?

 

I was very happy to see Luck benched so early.  The line was downright horrendous!!

No sense in leaving players off the field because they can't get the job done.  If they can't protect Luck, they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs.  Like someone said, they could use the practice.

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Just how exactly do you force Nicks and Moncrief to step up?  How does that work?

You get him involved early and often... Just like it played out lol.  Luck has been very inaccurate this season throwing to Nicks.  I think mainly because of a lack of chemistry.  Luck knows he has play makers all around him.  IMO Luck didn't ever really consider Nicks a threat because he never had a great game (just like Richardson, who is open out of the backfield quite often, but is ignored, due to his running stats).  You all see what Nicks WAS and STILL IS capable of.  He is the same player.  Same thing i've said all year!  He just wasn't given a great opportunity, and now that he has, he sure is capitalizing on it.  Nicks finally just said enough is enough.  Throw me the ball and I WILL catch it.  He is finally using his big body and hands the way they should be used.  There was one catch as a prime example... Luck threw it to Nicks at the peak of his jump with outstretched hands (probably shouldn't have caught it) but he mustard up enough hand strength to come down with it to move the chains.  Luck still has a huge problem with chemistry in regards to Hakeem.  I think Hakeem took a big step forward, by "Getting the job done, at all costs"  Hopefully it put some confidence in Luck to throw to him more. 

 

Nicks' play this season hasn't been a letdown, it is a letdown to not utilize the mans skill set. 

 

As for Moncrief, he is doing great for what the Colts have asked of him.  He comes in and makes big plays when his number is called.  It's great to have other options that draws attention away from him, so he can sneak in, to steal the spotlight.  Donte's role isn't to put up big numbers.  He is there to score TD's in the redzone, be a deep threat, and to come in for a big down play, when the defense is focused on TY or Reggie.

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Yeah... it was not a good idea on my part to see how Nixon handled the RT spot. 

I couldn't imagine if Sean Lee or DeMacus Ware was still on that defense.  Wouldn't be pretty!  Just shows people even with Gosder not playing 100% this year (because of injuries), it could be way worse.  I don't hear any birds chirping on that subject this week lol...

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No sense in leaving players off the field because they can't get the job done.  If they can't protect Luck, they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs.  Like someone said, they could use the practice.

Of course there is a reason.  To protect the franchise!  We had a backup RT a 3rd string RG a Rookie C and a Rookie LG playing.  That's reason enough to not put your future at risk.  2 backups on the right side caused pressure EVERY PLAY... That's unacceptable, and a big reason they pulled Luck so early in the game.  I think we would both agree, Luck was better off on the sidelines after the game got out of hand.  Just as well TY didn't need to give 100% to risk a hamstring injury getting reinjured.  At the cost of nothing but perhaps dropping to a seed in the playoffs.  Regardless we have a home game WC and DEN or NE were not going to lose out.  So really we were playing for nothing.  Cowboys needed to win that game to clinch the division.  Mentalities and strategies are polar opposites.

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Given that mentality now, especially since we got beat so bad "playing to win", would you have changed your mind if Luck would've broke his right "throwing" arm because Nixon blocks like he should be on somebodies practice squad?  Or any other key player for that matter? 

 

My point was we are a lock for a WC home game, but couldn't get a #1 or #2 seed (w/o extreme circumstances), so what's the point putting our players at risk?

 

I was very happy to see Luck benched so early.  The line was downright horrendous!!

What good is a WC game if the team is developmentally stunted?

 

You need all the games in order to improve and develop.  If they don't play, they'll never get better.  And these games are intense games that (could have) provided an opportunity to get some big game experience. 

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Of course there is a reason.  To protect the franchise!  We had a backup RT a 3rd string RG a Rookie C and a Rookie LG playing.  That's reason enough to not put your future at risk.  2 backups on the right side caused pressure EVERY PLAY... That's unacceptable, and a big reason they pulled Luck so early in the game.  I think we would both agree, Luck was better off on the sidelines after the game got out of hand.  Just as well TY didn't need to give 100% to risk a hamstring injury getting reinjured.  At the cost of nothing but perhaps dropping to a seed in the playoffs.  Regardless we have a home game WC and DEN or NE were not going to lose out.  So really we were playing for nothing.  Cowboys needed to win that game to clinch the division.  Mentalities and strategies are polar opposites.

Luck is not made of glass.  If you pull Luck every time the offensive line doesn't get the job done you would never develop the cohesive unit that is necessary to win big games.

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What good is a WC game if the team is developmentally stunted?

 

You need all the games in order to improve and develop.  If they don't play, they'll never get better.  And these games are intense games that (could have) provided an opportunity to get some big game experience. 

The way I look at it there is a HUGE talent gap in between NE DEN and the rest of the AFC.  It won't matter who we play at home, if we play to our abilities.  We SHOULD win.  Now traveling to either DEN or NE, we will have to play our best game of the season to pull of either on the road.  IMO anyways.  Yes, those late season games can build confidence, but they can also break it as well, in a hearkbreaking defeat.  Which I don't count this as heartbreaking only because Nicks was the only one who came to Dallas to win a football game on Sunday.  Not saying the other players didn't want to win, but their effort matched the results. 

 

We are pretty much in the same boat, whereas if TY or Gosder would've played and got reinjured, we would be putting our WC game in serious jepordy as well. 

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Luck is not made of glass.  If you pull Luck every time the offensive line doesn't get the job done you would never develop the cohesive unit that is necessary to win big games.

 

um, have they pulled Luck every time the OL doesn't get the job done? 

 

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um, have they pulled Luck every time the OL doesn't get the job done? 

 

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Read my statement in context.  Obviously, they haven't.

 

So why pull him from a game where he and his team could gain playoff experience and possibly learn how to overcome adversity? 

 

Because Pagano and his staff don't know what they're doing is why.

 

Luck has been in the league 3 years, and zero progress has been made in building this team.  Maybe some hyperbole has been used, but I think the point is obvious.  The Colts are not being coached up and they are not developing players. 

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