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not true

Thornton struggled with marks. Not any lineman

I don't believe that to be true. I saw several plays where Thornton was getting pushed back 2 or 3 yards, or he was whiffing on then Dlineman he was trying to block. On one pass play he set up so poorly he ended up on his butt, that doesn't sound like he was struggling with marks, unless the Dlineman's name was Mark.

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If all the RB's that go in with the same OL gain more yards than he does, it says something about him. I really feel that a lot of his issue is between his ears. Confidence and the mental aspects get overlooked a lot.

It's vision, instincts and decision-making. And you can't coach those things. T-Rich is a bust.

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I don't believe that to be true. I saw several plays where Thornton was getting pushed back 2 or 3 yards, or he was whiffing on then Dlineman he was trying to block. On one pass play he set up so poorly he ended up on his butt, that doesn't sound like he was struggling with marks, unless the Dlineman's name was Mark.

sendarrick marks is a player for the jags. A very good one. That is who made thorton look bad

I can't believe I have to explain that

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pretty much

Tyson Alualu beat him once for a holding call but looked like his foot was stepped on

Obviously you have no idea about any of this

No, not pretty much at all. He played very poorly yesterday and it did not really matter who lined up against him. It may have been because of his knee, but still. As a matter of fact I heard several people including those that actually played and coached in the NFL agree with what I posted. I'll go with their collective opinions over your's.

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No, not pretty much at all. He played very poorly yesterday and it did not really matter who lined up against him. It may have been because of his knee, but still. As a matter of fact I heard several people including those that actually played and coached in the NFL agree with what I posted. I'll go with their collective opinions over your's.

nope

You are wrong. I know you are. I went back and watched the game

The fact that you didn't even know marks proves that you have zero clue as to what you are talking about.

Just stop. You aren't correct.

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nope

You are wrong. I know you are. I went back and watched the game

The fact that you didn't even know marks proves that you have zero clue as to what you are talking about.

Just stop. You aren't correct.

Lol, I did not say I didn't know Marks I just forgot about him, but I do appreciate the reminder. And again I will go with the opinions of those that know the game better than you.

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Lol, I did not say I didn't know Marks I just forgot about him, but I do appreciate the reminder. And again I will go with the opinions of those that know the game better than you.

watch the game. It was on tv. You can see who beat him. It wasn't everyone. It was marks pretty much every time.

Who are these so called people? Because they, like you, clearly did not pay attention to the game.

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sendarrick marks is a player for the jags. A very good one. That is who made thorton look bad

I can't believe I have to explain that

Dudeski this might be the first time we agree on a topic. People also missed the pancake block Hugh had for TRich's TD
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Not really. He is slow as ___! And will never get push because of poor leverage. A bad pick.

Have to agree with, Jack has very bad leverage. He can't get off blocks quick enough to help double team. Which caused all the pressure up the middle. A rusher came clean between him and Harrison.

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Have to agree with, Jack has very bad leverage. He can't get off blocks quick enough to help double team. Which caused all the pressure up the middle. A rusher came clean between him and Harrison.

mewhort gets help from Harrison constantly. Thornton rarely gets help
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At the beginning of the season, many were saying it would be fine. Well, it's not fine. Our O-line is getting our franchise QB ripped up every week. The only reason the sacks aren't astronomical is because Andrew is such an athlete and escapes many sacks every game. The run game is atrocious as well. It amazes me that Grigs, whom was an NFL O-lineman has not fixed this hugely important piece of the team. The good news is that Constanzo is at least average (but disappointing that he's not the franchise LT we hoped for) and Cherilus is above average, therefore it doesn't need a complete over-haul. There have been O-linemen available before in the off-season. Hopefully Grigs will act on this during this offseason. By the way, Incognito would actually help in several ways (if our guys can take some bullying -cough cough).

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You mean Grigson needs to bring in better players for the coaches to be able to do their jobs better?

However you want to word it. What different does it make? Good players don't just suddenly appear out of no place. The Colts have been over achieving the last two seasons. When looking at the big picture is there any other team that has been through what the Colts have been through and done as well? A complete rebuild in 2 1/2 years and still made the playoffs and a division title? Colts fans were very spoiled with the wins in the past and now the team is in transition. Reality says we are at least 1 or 2 drafts away from being good enough to advance deep into the playoffs.
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However you want to word it. What different does it make? Good players don't just suddenly appear out of no place. The Colts have been over achieving the last two seasons. When looking at the big picture is there any other team that has been through what the Colts have been through and done as well? A complete rebuild in 2 1/2 years and still made the playoffs and a division title? Colts fans were very spoiled with the wins in the past and now the team is in transition. Reality says we are at least 1 or 2 drafts away from being good enough to advance deep into the playoffs.

No, I agree 100% with you. IMO, its a double edged sword. Andrew Luck turned the ship around and fast. Was it too fast though? Sounds silly but the Colts FO hasn't had the luxury of filling in the pieces with multiple year top 10 draft picks. Thus the lack of top tier talent. We didn't have to endure multiple losing seasons. Good for Colts fans to have a playoff caliber team, but in reality its bad for Colts fans to have a team that will only advance so far into the playoffs. But then you look around at other franchises and maybe isn't so bad after all 

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At the beginning of the season, many were saying it would be fine. Well, it's not fine. Our O-line is getting our franchise QB ripped up every week. The only reason the sacks aren't astronomical is because Andrew is such an athlete and escapes many sacks every game. The run game is atrocious as well. It amazes me that Grigs, whom was an NFL O-lineman has not fixed this hugely important piece of the team. The good news is that Constanzo is at least average (but disappointing that he's not the franchise LT we hoped for) and Cherilus is above average, therefore it doesn't need a complete over-haul. There have been O-linemen available before in the off-season. Hopefully Grigs will act on this during this offseason. By the way, Incognito would actually help in several ways (if our guys can take some bullying -cough cough).

 

I was a huge critic of Castonzo earlier this year, but IMO he is a top 5-10 LT in the game now. His side of the field rarely caves in, it's the C-RG-RT gaps that has had issues.

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IMO, its a double edged sword. Andrew Luck turned the ship around and fast. Was it too fast though? Sounds silly but the Colts FO hasn't had the luxury of filling in the pieces with multiple year top 10 draft picks. Thus the lack of top tier talent. We didn't have to endure multiple losing seasons. Good for Colts fans to have a playoff caliber team, but in reality its bad for Colts fans to have a team that will only advance so far into the playoffs. But then you look around at other franchises and maybe isn't so bad after all 

 

I understand what you're saying, but think of those pesky Patriots. They have had a quality team year after year after year without having a top pick for ages. We just need to use free agency to fill in the spots as FO has already done to some successfully degree.

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I understand what you're saying, but think of those pesky Patriots. They have had a quality team year after year after year without having a top pick for ages. We just need to use free agency to fill in the spots as FO has already done to some successfully degree.

True but they still have Belichek and Brady..until otherwise they will probably always be a threat 

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Grigson has an inflated value for skill positions (most apparent by his horrible Richardson trade) Until he gets real and decides to do whatever it takes to improve the trenches on both sides, we will not be competing for Super Bowls. It's crazy a former linemen hasn't fully adopted that philosophy yet. People keep bringing up "rebuild" but realistically, how long can you keep putting off a legitimate one and stop relying on exceptional play from your QB? Philly did a full successful conversion to a 3-4 defense in a year 1/2, because they actually invested in quality players that fit the scheme via draft and free agency. We're in year 3 of our attempted conversion and look marginally better than we did 3 years ago

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I understand what you're saying, but think of those pesky Patriots. They have had a quality team year after year after year without having a top pick for ages. We just need to use free agency to fill in the spots as FO has already done to some successfully degree.

It's because Belichek is just better then everyone else. 

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No, I agree 100% with you. IMO, its a double edged sword. Andrew Luck turned the ship around and fast. Was it too fast though? Sounds silly but the Colts FO hasn't had the luxury of filling in the pieces with multiple year top 10 draft picks. Thus the lack of top tier talent. We didn't have to endure multiple losing seasons. Good for Colts fans to have a playoff caliber team, but in reality its bad for Colts fans to have a team that will only advance so far into the playoffs. But then you look around at other franchises and maybe isn't so bad after all 

Yeah but the term is pretenders and that's what the Colts are.

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if we want to be in a superbowl, quit messing around with a below average inexperienced line, get some experienced great talent to run block and pass block, don't wait for maybes to develop, we don't have time. we will get bad at other positions while we are waiting to see if they can cut it. I have seen no improvement in 2 thirds of a season. we need an elite line in front of luck, not guys who are trying to learn and maybe develop.if they ever do. our present line does not dominate anyone , they get dominated, grigs get us some talent on the o-line and not from draft picks who we have to wait to develop. the future is now. the season we are in, not 3 years down the road when we see if a draft pick works out. grigs get some talent on the o-line

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It's vision, instincts and decision-making. And you can't coach those things. T-Rich is a bust.

He played in a heavy zone blocking in college where there is a assigned hole all he had to do was go through the hole and hit the gas a lot of Rb's can't play in the man to man blocking the Colts use .

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He played in a heavy zone blocking in college where there is a assigned hole all he had to do was go through the hole and hit the gas a lot of Rb's can't play in the man to man blocking the Colts use .

What you just described is the exact opposite of what you need to be a good runner in a zone scheme. There are no assigned holes. It's up to the back to find the cutback lane

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No, not pretty much at all. He played very poorly yesterday and it did not really matter who lined up against him. It may have been because of his knee, but still. As a matter of fact I heard several people including those that actually played and coached in the NFL agree with what I posted. I'll go with their collective opinions over your's.

id like to think its his knee but Thornton has been pretty bad two years in a row now. I just don't think he either fits the Colts offense or he just isn't good enough. I'd be okay with the Colts going in a different direction at right guard this off-season.
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Well, Trent is part of the problem. IMO, he seems to feel that the line isn't very good, so his confidence is down causing him to be tentative. Boom hits the hole like a RB should, full of confidence and expectation to make something happen. That just doesn't show in Trents play. If all the RB's that go in with the same OL gain more yards than he does, it says something about him. I really feel that a lot of his issue is between his ears. Confidence and the mental aspects get overlooked a lot.

If we bring in Rice T-Rich will be gone. 

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