T.y. Versus The Marvelous Marvin harrison

[Stephen]

Marvin harrison first three years

64 rec 836 yards 8 tds

73 rec 866 yards 6 tds

59 rec 776 yards 7 tds in 12 games

 

T.Y. hilton 

50 rec 861 yards 7tds

82 rec 1081 yards 5 tds

53 rec 866 yards 2 tds so far

[crazycolt1]

Nice! Good pick up on that info.

[HOZER]

I see flashes of Marvin when I watch TY play, not quite as pristine of a route runner, but Amazing none the less!

[luvdacolts67]

Marvin should have been a first time HOF'er   Ty is not there, maybe he will but we dont know yet.   Marvin made catches that no one else could.   You cant just look at stats.

[The Fish]

I like T.Y. He's the spark plug in the offense, and his T.Y dance will be immortalized if he keeps it up, when the NFL writes a rule against it. 

[Stephen]

Marvin should have been a first time HOF'er   Ty is not there, maybe he will but we dont know yet.   Marvin made catches that no one else could.   You cant just look at stats.

true but stat wise he is there.

[ruksak]

NOBODY made a double move like #88.

 

TY has a ways to go, but the one thing I'll give him over Marvin, he doesn't fall to the ground after the catch if a defender is nearby. 

[Stephen]

NOBODY made a double move like #88.

 

TY has a ways to go, but the one thing I'll give him over Marvin, he doesn't fall to the ground after the catch if a defender is nearby. 

harrison did that to preserve his body from nasty hits

[TKnight24]

"Call me anything, but don't compare me"

[ColtsHappy]

I know, I know, route running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

This is such an OVER thread. Too many folks with blinders on living in the past.

 

It is actually REALLY simple.

 

Marvin taught Reggie.

 

Reggie taught TY.

 

Marvin actually taught TY.

 

If you don't see the REMARKABLE resemblances, you would have to be blind.

 

I love Marvin as much as anyone, and that is exactly why I love TY.

 

By osmosis Marvin trained him!

 

Get used to it, if he stays healthy, he will surpass Marvin in every category - the fact is - he already has.

 

Route running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

I prefer to embrace them both simultaneously. 

 

If not for Marvin there wouldn't anywhere NEAR the same TY we see.

 

If he continues to avoid those big hits - the essence of the "Marvinisms" he was taught -  he will be with us for many years to come....

 

It's not just by the numbers, if you get my drift.

 

 

Q: Why are the Broncos  better than last year?

A: Peyton finally found his Marvin - in Sanders. Yup, he most certainly did.

[Stephen]

In 37 games, T.Y. Hilton has 12 100-yard receiving games. To compare it took Marvin Harrison 58 games & Reggie Wayne 75 to reach that mark.


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[TKnight24]

.In 37 games, T.Y. Hilton has 12 100-yard receiving games. To compare it took Marvin Harrison 58 games & Reggie Wayne 75 to reach that mark..

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Helps when 5 of those games are against the Houston Texans

Always goes off when the Texans come on the schedule

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[Stephen]

Helps when 5 of those games are against the Houston Texans

Always goes off when the Texans come on the schedule

I believe he has 4 100 yard games versus texans one of the games he only had 78 yards

[ColtsFanMikeC]

Marvin should have been a first time HOF'er   Ty is not there, maybe he will but we dont know yet.   Marvin made catches that no one else could.   You cant just look at stats.

 

 

NOBODY made a double move like #88.

 

TY has a ways to go, but the one thing I'll give him over Marvin, he doesn't fall to the ground after the catch if a defender is nearby. 

 

Marvin, IMO, is the greatest route runner to ever play the game.  Marvin also played his career in a different era, which was not as 'pass-friendly' as today's league.  Marvin had to deal with more holding/jamming/etc. than TY does, but he was able to overcome that as a littler guy because he ran such precise routes and got off the line so well (Champ Bailey, Charles Tilman, and several other DBs have said Marvin was the hardest WR to guard because his first few steps off the line were always identical no matter what type of route he was running). 

 

Marvin had the best 7, 8, 9, and 10 year stretches in league history and it isn't even close (he also had the single best season ever, and I don't imagine his 143 receptions will ever be broken) -- Sterling Sharpe had a 5 year stretch that was better than Marvin during that time and unfortunately S.S. got hurt and never recovered and you can argue Wes Welker may have had a better 6 year stretch during the Patriots' dominant years.  It was absolutely ridiculous that Marvin wasn't first-ballot HOF, not just in my opinion, but because in an era with a lot of big name WRs Marvin put up the best numbers and ended his career behind only Jerry Rice in just about every WR category.  Marvin was the fastest player ever to reach 700, 800, 900, 1,000 and 1,100 receptions -- so one could argue if Marvin didn't blow his knee out that he could have surpassed Rice in a lot of categories.  Prior to Marvin being injured, he was averaging 93 receptions a year -- the next closest is Sterling Sharpe with 85 receptions per year -- if you count the year Marvin missed 12 games, he is 2nd all time with 84.7 receptions per season.

 

In some ways you cannot compare the 2 -- TY has much easier rules against him as a WR than Marvin did and is playing in a totally different era of football (I firmly believe that Peyton and Marvin are a big reason why the NFL rules have evolved to become so pass friendly).  TY also is starting his career on a better team than Marvin played for (Marvin started 9-7, 9-7, 3-13 -- TY 11-5, 11-5 and probably at least 10 wins again).  However, in many ways you can compare them.  Both are small WRs, both can/could change the game on any given play, both keep/kept to themselves off the field, both work/worked tirelessly to improve their game, and both got to play with an elite young QB early in their careers (Marvin had to wait until year 3 to get Peyton).

 

At this point, TY has a long way to go to become a better WR than Marvin was -- but he has a shot at putting up better numbers.  He continuously improves his game and keeps working with Luck.  While one could argue Marvin was so good because of Peyton, I disagree -- they had a mutual relationship and honed each other's professionalism and perfectionism.  The same will likely be said about TY (i.e., he was a product of Luck) -- however, I don't buy that totally -- yes, it helps to play with an elite QB, but you have to be willing as a WR to put in the work to build that relationship of trust and mutual perfectionism and professionalism.  So far, it sure seems like TY is working tirelessly with Andrew to develop into a better player.  He still has some ways to go on his route running and hands (Marvin had one of the best sets of hands in NFL history -- TY doesn't have terrible hands, but he drops some pretty catchable balls from time to time), but if he continues to work like he has been, I don't see why he can't improve both of these areas.

 

As far as Marvin falling after a catch -- he did that knowing he was a small WR and wasn't worth it to take unnecessary hits -- if Marvin had a first down and getting an additional 2 yards was not possible without taking a hit, he went down -- if Marvin needed to get another yard or 2 for a first down or TD he would take a hit.  I would not mind seeing TY going down more often -- he is a very small WR in today's NFL and once he's moved the chains and gotten the yards we need, there is no sense in taking a hit -- run if you are gonna score or get a lot more yards, but getting an extra yard or 2 after the first down is not worth risking a big hit or injury.  Marvin prolonged his career by doing that -- unfortunately, he eventually had a knee injury, but he never had a concussion history and rarely dealt with injuries due to being hit hard.

[achcolts]

I know, I know, route running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

This is such an OVER thread. Too many folks with blinders on living in the past.

 

It is actually REALLY simple.

 

Marvin taught Reggie.

 

Reggie taught TY.

 

Marvin actually taught TY.

 

If you don't see the REMARKABLE resemblances, you would have to be blind.

 

I love Marvin as much as anyone, and that is exactly why I love TY.

 

By osmosis Marvin trained him!

 

Get used to it, if he stays healthy, he will surpass Marvin in every category - the fact is - he already has.

 

Route running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

I prefer to embrace them both simultaneously. 

 

If not for Marvin there wouldn't anywhere NEAR the same TY we see.

 

If he continues to avoid those big hits - the essence of the "Marvinisms" he was taught -  he will be with us for many years to come....

 

It's not just by the numbers, if you get my drift.

 

 

Q: Why are the Broncos  better than last year?

A: Peyton finally found his Marvin - in Sanders. Yup, he most certainly did.

 

Ive been saying this after his rookie year, completely agreed.  TY wouldnt be the TY we see right now without reggie as his mentor, who was under marvin's wing. play style is similar. i love the way TY catches balls, its so obvious that reggie has taught him how to have glue hands lol and beating the defender to the ball for average throws

[ColtsHappy]

Marvin, IMO, is the greatest route runner to ever play the game.  Marvin also played his career in a different era, which was not as 'pass-friendly' as today's league.  Marvin had to deal with more holding/jamming/etc. than TY does, but he was able to overcome that as a littler guy because he ran such precise routes and got off the line so well (Champ Bailey, Charles Tilman, and several other DBs have said Marvin was the hardest WR to guard because his first few steps off the line were always identical no matter what type of route he was running). 

 

Marvin had the best 7, 8, 9, and 10 year stretches in league history and it isn't even close (he also had the single best season ever, and I don't imagine his 143 receptions will ever be broken) -- Sterling Sharpe had a 5 year stretch that was better than Marvin during that time and unfortunately S.S. got hurt and never recovered and you can argue Wes Welker may have had a better 6 year stretch during the Patriots' dominant years.  It was absolutely ridiculous that Marvin wasn't first-ballot HOF, not just in my opinion, but because in an era with a lot of big name WRs Marvin put up the best numbers and ended his career behind only Jerry Rice in just about every WR category.  Marvin was the fastest player ever to reach 700, 800, 900, 1,000 and 1,100 receptions -- so one could argue if Marvin didn't blow his knee out that he could have surpassed Rice in a lot of categories.  Prior to Marvin being injured, he was averaging 93 receptions a year -- the next closest is Sterling Sharpe with 85 receptions per year -- if you count the year Marvin missed 12 games, he is 2nd all time with 84.7 receptions per season.

 

In some ways you cannot compare the 2 -- TY has much easier rules against him as a WR than Marvin did and is playing in a totally different era of football (I firmly believe that Peyton and Marvin are a big reason why the NFL rules have evolved to become so pass friendly).  TY also is starting his career on a better team than Marvin played for (Marvin started 9-7, 9-7, 3-13 -- TY 11-5, 11-5 and probably at least 10 wins again).  However, in many ways you can compare them.  Both are small WRs, both can/could change the game on any given play, both keep/kept to themselves off the field, both work/worked tirelessly to improve their game, and both got to play with an elite young QB early in their careers (Marvin had to wait until year 3 to get Peyton).

 

At this point, TY has a long way to go to become a better WR than Marvin was -- but he has a shot at putting up better numbers.  He continuously improves his game and keeps working with Luck.  While one could argue Marvin was so good because of Peyton, I disagree -- they had a mutual relationship and honed each other's professionalism and perfectionism.  The same will likely be said about TY (i.e., he was a product of Luck) -- however, I don't buy that totally -- yes, it helps to play with an elite QB, but you have to be willing as a WR to put in the work to build that relationship of trust and mutual perfectionism and professionalism.  So far, it sure seems like TY is working tirelessly with Andrew to develop into a better player.  He still has some ways to go on his route running and hands (Marvin had one of the best sets of hands in NFL history -- TY doesn't have terrible hands, but he drops some pretty catchable balls from time to time), but if he continues to work like he has been, I don't see why he can't improve both of these areas.

 

As far as Marvin falling after a catch -- he did that knowing he was a small WR and wasn't worth it to take unnecessary hits -- if Marvin had a first down and getting an additional 2 yards was not possible without taking a hit, he went down -- if Marvin needed to get another yard or 2 for a first down or TD he would take a hit.  I would not mind seeing TY going down more often -- he is a very small WR in today's NFL and once he's moved the chains and gotten the yards we need, there is no sense in taking a hit -- run if you are gonna score or get a lot more yards, but getting an extra yard or 2 after the first down is not worth risking a big hit or injury.  Marvin prolonged his career by doing that -- unfortunately, he eventually had a knee injury, but he never had a concussion history and rarely dealt with injuries due to being hit hard.

HA! LOL!

 

Route running BLAH  BLAH BLAH!

 

Exhibit A folks.....

 

I am sure there is much more to follow - B and C and D and even more are on the way!

 

What greater honor and compliment could you pay to both of them  - than to express how ALIKE they are!

 

Route running BLAH BLAH BLAH!

[ColtsFanMikeC]

HA! LOL!

 

Route running BLAH  BLAH BLAH!

 

Exhibit A folks.....

 

I am sure there is much more to follow - B and C and D and even more are on the way!

 

What greater honor and compliment could you pay to both of them  - than to express how ALIKE they are!

 

Route running BLAH BLAH BLAH!

I don't know what you're talking about -- are you trying to dismiss route running as being important?

 

At this point in his career, TY is nowhere near where Marvin was as a route runner when Marvin was in his prime.  Not saying he can't get there, but he's not there yet, and until he is, I don't think a case can be made for TY as a better WR. 

[ColtsHappy]

I don't know what you're talking about -- are you trying to dismiss route running as being important?

 

At this point in his career, TY is nowhere near where Marvin was as a route runner when Marvin was in his prime.  Not saying he can't get there, but he's not there yet, and until he is, I don't think a case can be made for TY as a better WR. 

Yeah, geeeeez, TY is such a god awful route runner....

 

i guess Reggie (and Marvin) didn't really know how to guide him....

 

Really depresses me, frankly.

 

:yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:

[GoColts8818]

Different rules and different QB two of those years for Marvin were with Harbaugh. Still TY is good no question.

[Defjamz26]

How do T.Y. and Marvin compare in terms of YAC? Only 23 here, didn't see a lot of Marvin.

[Jhaze55]

Yeah, geeeeez, TY is such a god awful route runner....

 

i guess Reggie (and Marvin) didn't really know how to guide him....

 

Really depresses me, frankly.

 

:yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:

Dude what are you talking about? TY is still not the route runner Marvin was, probably never will be. It's a completely valid argument.

 

It's hard to make an argument about someone who's a 3rd year player vs. an all-time great, even though there are similarities.

[ColtsFanMikeC]

Yeah, geeeeez, TY is such a god awful route runner....

 

i guess Reggie (and Marvin) didn't really know how to guide him....

 

Really depresses me, frankly.

 

:yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:  :yay:

 

Didn't say he was an awful route runner, but he sure isn't an elite route runner at this point in time.  Marvin was the best route runner in the history of the game. TY has been very good for us, and is continuing to improve -- but he's got a way to go to catch Marvin (part of that is staying healthy and the other part is continuing to improve his hands and route running).

 

Reggie and Marvin were totally different WR's, and TY is a different WR than both of them.  Marvin taught Reggie how to be a professional and Reggie found his niche and has excelled at it for many years.  Reggie taught/is teaching TY how to be a professional and TY is continuing to become a true professional.  That said, TY and Reggie are almost not even comparable in their games, 2 completely different WR's.  Reggie is a great route runner, and is still a master at finding open spaces in crowded areas -- TY gets most of his catches because he is faster than most others in the league and usually relies on short passes or passes where he has simply outrun the coverage.  He still has a ways to go as a route-runner, and if he continues to improve he has a very high ceiling.

 

That's not to say TY is an awful route runner, he just has room to improve there and if he does and continues to stay healthy and excel for many more years, then maybe we can start comparing him to future HOF'ers like Marv and Reggie.

[ColtsHappy]

Dude what are you talking about? TY is still not the route runner Marvin was, probably never will be. It's a completely valid argument.

 

It's hard to make an argument about someone who's a 3rd year player vs. an all-time great, even though there are similarities.

Let's see this looks like Exhibit B, although really short and to the point but still has the:

 

Route Runner BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

We love that.

 

Didn't say he was an awful route runner, but he sure isn't an elite route runner at this point in time.  Marvin was the best route runner in the history of the game. TY has been very good for us, and is continuing to improve -- but he's got a way to go to catch Marvin (part of that is staying healthy and the other part is continuing to improve his hands and route running).

 

Reggie and Marvin were totally different WR's, and TY is a different WR than both of them.  Marvin taught Reggie how to be a professional and Reggie found his niche and has excelled at it for many years.  Reggie taught/is teaching TY how to be a professional and TY is continuing to become a true professional.  That said, TY and Reggie are almost not even comparable in their games, 2 completely different WR's.  Reggie is a great route runner, and is still a master at finding open spaces in crowded areas -- TY gets most of his catches because he is faster than most others in the league and usually relies on short passes or passes where he has simply outrun the coverage.  He still has a ways to go as a route-runner, and if he continues to improve he has a very high ceiling.

 

That's not to say TY is an awful route runner, he just has room to improve there and if he does and continues to stay healthy and excel for many more years, then maybe we can start comparing him to future HOF'ers like Marv and Reggie.

And I would most certainly label this as exhibit "C".

 

Still talking about the Route Running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

imagine that.

 

We are off and running!

 

Waiting rather patiently for Exhibit "D"

 

Good job folks!

 

I had a feeling that you wouldn't disappoint!

[Jhaze55]

Let's see this looks like B, although really short and too the point but still has the:

 

Route Runner BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

 

 

And I would most certainly label this as exhibit "C".

 

We are off an running!

 

Good job guys!

LOL. You're literally disregarding a very important part to this conversation. Stop acting as if it is useless drivel to you, because it's valid. You can't make the argument that TY is the better route runner, as Marvin is arguably best of all time. There have been interviews with cornerbacks that have said they had such a hard time covering him because the first 10 yards of all of his routes were the same.

 

You wanna know why Da'rick rogers never could make it onto the field this year? His terrible route running. It's pretty important. 

 

If you counter with another pointless post with no thought in it about how route running isn't important then you're pointless to reply to. TY is a 3rd year player, just because he's done better so far doesn't mean he will for the rest of his career. This is coming from a giant TY Hilton homer too. 

 

I'll say it again: Marvin Harrison is an all-time great. We're "living in the past" because he was really THAT good.

[ColtsHappy]

LOL. You're literally disregarding a very important part to this conversation. Stop acting as if it is useless drivel to you, because it's valid. You can't make the argument that TY is the better route runner, as Marvin is arguably best of all time. There have been interviews with cornerbacks that have said they had such a hard time covering him because the first 10 yards of all of his routes were the same.

 

You wanna know why Da'rick rogers never could make it onto the field this year? His terrible route running. It's pretty important. 

 

If you counter with another pointless post with no thought in it about how route running isn't important then you're pointless to reply to. TY is a 3rd year player, just because he's done better so far doesn't mean he will for the rest of his career. This is coming from a giant TY Hilton homer too. 

 

I'll say it again: Marvin Harrison is an all-time great. We're "living in the past" because he was really THAT good.I love it

I love it. Normally you would be "D" but since you were already "B" you don't qualify.

 

Forest for the trees?

Posing the question.

 

Oh, and I forgot.

 

Route Running BLAH BLAH BLAH. 

 

My guess is that by the time the lectures are over, we may be at "V" or even "Z"!

 

Keep em coming! Funniest thing is - I only suggested that since MARVIN trained TY they both should be honored. But the bozos dispute....

[Jhaze55]

I love it. Normally you would be "D" but since you were already "B" you don't qualify.

 

Forest for the trees?

Posing the question.

More drivel. Maybe you could try to make a valid response instead of trolling. Goodbye, you're not worth it.

[Superman]

I love it. Normally you would be "D" but since you were already "B" you don't qualify.

Forest for the trees?

Posing the question.

Oh, and I forgot.

Route Running BLAH BLAH BLAH.

My guess is that by the time the lectures are over, we may be at "V" or even "Z"!

Why are you trolling? Why not have a legitimate discussion? You're making yourself look bad, snd you're undermining your own argument.

Is it because LaVon Brazill is gone, and we dont "literally have two Marvins" anymore?

[ColtsHappy]

Why are you trolling? Why not have a legitimate discussion? You're making yourself look bad, snd you're undermining your own argument.

Is it because LaVon Brazill is gone, and we dont "literally have two Marvins" anymore

Look out

 

Holy Batman Mr. Superman has arrived.

 

{{{{{Cowers}}}}}

 

I am just honestly in disbelief that any TRUE Colts fan could miss the connection and not realize that true GREATNESS is once again in our midst.

 

But that is ok.

 

Route Running BLAH BLAH BLAH makes the day.....

 

I wish I had a nickel.......

[HtownColt]

NOBODY made a double move like #88.

TY has a ways to go, but the one thing I'll give him over Marvin, he doesn't fall to the ground after the catch if a defender is nearby.

TY learned that from Reggie

[Larry Horseman]

TYs route on the TD catch against Pittsburgh was a thing of beauty. Very much looked like Marvin (and younger Reggie). There literally isn't much of a ceiling for TY if he keeps progressing. That said he's got a ways to go to fill the cleats of Marv and Reg.

[RockThatBlue]

Look out

Holy Batman Mr. Superman has arrived.

{{{{{Cowers}}}}}

I am just honestly in disbelief that any TRUE Colts fan could miss the connection and not realize that true GREATNESS is once again in our midst.

But that is ok.

Route Running BLAH BLAH BLAH makes the day.....

I wish I had a nickel.......

Nobody is dismissing TY. But as good as he is, hes only been in the league 3 years. Let's wait before we say hes as good as Marvin shall we? Or is that too much to ask for?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Look out

Holy Batman Mr. Superman has arrived.

{{{{{Cowers}}}}}

I am just honestly in disbelief that any TRUE Colts fan could miss the connection and not realize that true GREATNESS is once again in our midst.

But that is ok.

Route Running BLAH BLAH BLAH makes the day.....

I wish I had a nickel.......

Jesus CHrist. Stop acting like a child.

[Stephen]

Nobody is dismissing TY. But as good as he is, hes only been in the league 3 years. Let's wait before we say hes as good as Marvin shall we? Or is that too much to ask for?

tell that to the arizona writer that said john brown is better than marvin harrison

[BOTT]

I know, I know, route running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

This is such an OVER thread. Too many folks with blinders on living in the past.

 

It is actually REALLY simple.

 

Marvin taught Reggie.

 

Reggie taught TY.

 

Marvin actually taught TY.

 

If you don't see the REMARKABLE resemblances, you would have to be blind.

 

I love Marvin as much as anyone, and that is exactly why I love TY.

 

By osmosis Marvin trained him!

 

Get used to it, if he stays healthy, he will surpass Marvin in every category - the fact is - he already has.

 

Route running BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

I prefer to embrace them both simultaneously. 

 

If not for Marvin there wouldn't anywhere NEAR the same TY we see.

 

If he continues to avoid those big hits - the essence of the "Marvinisms" he was taught -  he will be with us for many years to come....

 

It's not just by the numbers, if you get my drift.

 

 

Q: Why are the Broncos  better than last year?

A: Peyton finally found his Marvin - in Sanders. Yup, he most certainly did.

The answer is defense, not sanders.

[Stephen]

How do T.Y. and Marvin compare in terms of YAC? Only 23 here, didn't see a lot of Marvin.

marvin's career average was 13.2 with his best season being 14.5. T.y. hilton's is 15.2 career average so far and his highest is 17.2 his rookie year.

[crazycolt1]

I don't know what you're talking about -- are you trying to dismiss route running as being important?

 

At this point in his career, TY is nowhere near where Marvin was as a route runner when Marvin was in his prime.  Not saying he can't get there, but he's not there yet, and until he is, I don't think a case can be made for TY as a better WR. 

I don't think the point of TY being better than Marvin was being made. Just a comparison in numbers the first 3 years, that's all.

[ReMeDy]

I like T.Y. He's the spark plug in the offense, and his T.Y dance will be immortalized if he keeps it up, when the NFL writes a rule against it. 

 

"Unsportsmanlike conduct, #13, offense... Displaying implied gang gestures..."

[crazycolt1]

NOBODY made a double move like #88.

 

TY has a ways to go, but the one thing I'll give him over Marvin, he doesn't fall to the ground after the catch if a defender is nearby. 

??? Falling to the ground is exactly why he played so many years. Marvin and TY are not big WRs by any means. It's called self protection so you can make plays instead of being injured on the sideline or at home. If TY would take a big hit and get injured we all would say he should have protected himself like Marvin used to. I don't understand why the negative comment about Marvin when he is the best WR in the history of the Colts.

[SteelCityColt]

Why are you trolling? Why not have a legitimate discussion? You're making yourself look bad, snd you're undermining your own argument.

Is it because LaVon Brazill is gone, and we dont "literally have two Marvins" anymore?

 

I think we can summarise a number of responses in this topic quite easily:

 

[Smash Mouth]

NOBODY made a double move like #88.

 

TY has a ways to go, but the one thing I'll give him over Marvin, he doesn't fall to the ground after the catch if a defender is nearby. 

 

TY needs to get down whenever he can.  Unless a 1st down or TD is at stake, taking on bigger DBs and LBs for a couple of yards isn't worth the pounding.