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It makes sense fine. Right now Hilton is playing better than Reggie has at any point in his career (im sure there's some point where Reggie produced more during a 7 game streak tho). I don't get what's not fair about that. If anything, it's not fair to Hilton considering that Reggie has more than a decade of games played over him.

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That's what I meant. I don't know how anybody could take it any other way.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to either player.

I wouldn't have said anything if you said Hilton is producing better than Reggie ever did. That's absolutely true. I was curious, so I dug up Reggie's best 10 game set to compare it to Hilton's last ten games (which includes two playoff games, possibly making Hilton's recent tear even more impressive).

Reggie, in 2007, Weeks 6-15: 64 catches, 1,054 yards, 6 TDs

Hilton, since Week 17, 2013: 75 catches, 1,193 yards, 3 TDs (extrapolate that out to 16 games, and it's beyond what Reggie ever did in a season, except for in TDs)

 

Strictly based on production, yeah, I get it. I inferred incorrectly based on your original statement. I don't think better production necessarily means better player, though. 

 

I don't see how. Hilton is far from "inconsistent" at this point.

 

Over 7-10 games? Consistency is usually credited to someone over a prolonged period of time, not a half season, or even a whole season. And when you're comparing him to someone who was a top 10-15 WR for basically a decade, 7-10 good games isn't enough to start talking about consistency. (I didn't call Hilton inconsistent, either.)

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lol

 

If Brady had the Colts weapons on offense he would have won 10 rings.

 

To this post, and the post you're quoting, it's impossible to quantify either of those statements.

 

Also, are you implying that the Patriots offense hasn't been good enough to win Super Bowls? 

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I guess that's beside the point, but I think it's true regardless. A 7-10 game stretch doesn't speak to consistency, IMO.

 

 

Late to this party (and frankly,  glad I am....)

 

Would like to add two points if they haven't been made already.....

 

One,  that Reggie strikes me as more of a possession receiver in his career, and I don't see TYH in the same way,  so I don't think this is a fair apples to apples comparison.

 

Two,  that when Reggie first came in the league,  the rules were not nearly as favorable to the offense.   They've been getting that way gradually over time....   but I think TYH's career has come as the NFL has truly entered a time of almost everything favoring the offense. 

 

Yes, you can say Reggie has played during that time as well.   But at a much older age at the tail end of his career.

 

All of which is another way of saying it doesn't help make an even comparison of the two players.......

 

I'll step back now and let the carnivorous fight over the meat....

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Late to this party (and frankly,  glad I am....)

 

Would like to add two points if they haven't been made already.....

 

One,  that Reggie strikes me as more of a possession receiver in his career, and I don't see TYH in the same way,  so I don't think this is a fair apples to apples comparison.

 

Two,  that when Reggie first came in the league,  the rules were not nearly as favorable to the offense.   They've been getting that way gradually over time....   but I think TYH's career has come as the NFL has truly entered a time of almost everything favoring the offense. 

 

Yes, you can say Reggie has played during that time as well.   But at a much older age at the tail end of his career.

 

All of which is another way of saying it doesn't help make an even comparison of the two players.......

 

I'll step back now and let the carnivorous fight over the meat....

 

I think that's all true. To the bolded, Reggie benefited from the post-2003 rules emphasis, and that's really when he started producing at a high level. Hilton's first two seasons came when the league had begun to relax on the illegal contact fouls, which led to this recent rules emphasis.

 

But overall, Dustin established that he was referring to Hilton's recent high level of play, which is fantastic. Again, Reggie never had a stretch like this, that's true.

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I think that's all true. To the bolded, Reggie benefited from the post-2003 rules emphasis, and that's really when he started producing at a high level. Hilton's first two seasons came when the league had begun to relax on the illegal contact fouls, which led to this recent rules emphasis.

 

But overall, Dustin established that he was referring to Hilton's recent high level of play, which is fantastic. Again, Reggie never had a stretch like this, that's true.

None of you have stated the obvious though, the elephant in the room if you will. Luck is the better QB than Manning so that benefits Hilton and his streak. ;)  j/k

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no, because if Manning had played for New England all those years he would have at least 7 rings.

 

Oh I love that hypothetical scenario... and you know this how? It's true, if only he could have gotten away from all those offensively-loaded teams with James, Harrison, Clark, Wayne, etc-etc. They were really holding him back.

 

Look I respect the heck out of the guy and would never deem him as "overrated" as you have with Brady. Obviously everyone has an opinion and can make a case for that opinion. But it's ridiculous when Patriots fans insinuate all negatives about Manning, and when Indy/Denver fans do the same with Brady. The margin between them is paper-thin from either side. 

 

If you want to blame Indy's team-building philosophy (using cap space and draft picks to build weapons around their stellar QB) versus New England's (less flashy for the most part on offense, more balance) that's fine. But that has nothing to do with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. 

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I heard someone else break it down that way (whose career would you rather have?) and thought that was an interesting way to frame it. There's no wrong answer of course.

If I'm being honest I don't see a lot of Colts fans with an avatar pic that shows Manning holding an MVP trophy (do they even have those?) or a gold-plated copy of the NFL record book. They have pics of Manning holding his Lombardi, right?

Mainly I was just responding to the dude who called Brady overrated. I think it would be awful hard to sit in a room full of NFL-educated people and make that case.

But maybe that's why he posted it... that's the spirit of the thread I guess.

*based off the second paragraph* jvan is still rocking that picture anf there are others. However we do have a new qb that alot think will be better than manning. Having a pic like that still up is almost like having a picture of an ex and you still up as a pro pic
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*based off the second paragraph* jvan is still rocking that picture anf there are others. However we do have a new qb that alot think will be better than manning. Having a pic like that still up is almost like having a picture of an ex and you still up as a pro pic

Its actually nothing like that at all. I've been a fan since the team drove the mayflower busses into town. That Lombardi was a long time coming. The stadium the team now plays in is due in large part to peyton and what he did for city. I love Andrew, and when he brings the hardware home, I'll change my avatar

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Its actually nothing like that at all. I've been a fan since the team drove the mayflower busses into town. That Lombardi was a long time coming. The stadium the team now plays in is due in large part to peyton and what he did for city. I love Andrew, and when he brings the hardware home, I'll change my avatar

Ill agree its not the most spot on thing however the point was more or less about living in the past lol
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Brady wasn't great during those early years. He didn't cost them games. But he wasn't special

I disagree. Brady was at the helm leading those teams. The '01 team was not good until he arrived. He played bigger roles in the second two rings.

 

Luck has cost us games but still he is better than Manning IMO at this stage. No one yet has refuted that so I guess most are in agreement with what I thought was an unpopular opinion.

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I disagree. Brady was at the helm leading those teams. The '01 team was not good until he arrived. He played bigger roles in the second two rings.

Luck has cost us games but still he is better than Manning IMO at this stage. No one yet has refuted that so I guess most are in agreement with what I thought was an unpopular opinion.

Andrews ability to run makes him better at this stage than Manning was at the same time. Hopefully he continue to improve at the same rate

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Andrews ability to run makes him better at this stage than Manning was at the same time. Hopefully he continue to improve at the same rate

Yeah. I agree. I think his overall game is better. But Manning was and is the better pure passer. I too hope he continues to improve. I am thrilled with how the D has looked.

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Brady wasn't great during those early years. He didn't cost them games. But he wasn't special

 

Jvan... 

 

What? LOL...

 

He didn't put up huge numbers but in a situational football sense he was stellar from day one. 

 

Watch the games.

 

Maybe you should.  ;)

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