JPFolks Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 As many of you know, the Buccaneers traded a 60+ catch receiving TE and a 4th round pick for Logan Mankins of NE, who has been ALL PRO the last 5 years (or perhaps Pro Bowl, can't recall). So would you have traded Fleener and a 4th (or perhaps 5th) for Mankins? I'd be on the fence. I don't know the financials, but I think Mankins is expensive. But will we be able to resign all those 2012 Draft Picks? And if not, Fleener is the one I would let go first of the big 4 that year. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No. For Doyle or another our te's not named Allen, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincetonTiger Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigQandTheManiac Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 no sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsHoosiersBB Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 NO!!! If Belicheck is trading a player, It's because he is out to screw some team by unloadinghis used trash on someone. I don't trust that clown, there must be something wrongwith Mankins ability or health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Is this even a real question? Are we all on punked? Heck no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshinator Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Belicheck thinks Mankins is declining and he sold him high. No way I do it for even for just Fleener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 As many of you know, the Buccaneers traded a 60+ catch receiving TE and a 4th round pick for Logan Mankins of NE, who has been ALL PRO the last 5 years (or perhaps Pro Bowl, can't recall). So would you have traded Fleener and a 4th (or perhaps 5th) for Mankins?I'd be on the fence. I don't know the financials, but I think Mankins is expensive. But will we be able to resign all those 2012 Draft Picks? And if not, Fleener is the one I would let go first of the big 4 that year. Thoughts?Yes, let's trade our BEST TE. Cause that makes perfect sense to do. Take away our franchise QB's BEST TE for a 30+ year oldMan this forum is funny ⬅ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Indy Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No, for a few reasons. The Patriots aren't known for trading off valuable commodities in their prime. They get a dude, wear the treads off of him, and then release him. There has to be something wrong with Mankins to be let go for that "little" in trade value. Mankins is also 32- and we are building for the future with younger players. Gosder Cherilus at 30 will still give us at worst one extra year than Mankins would. Stability is the key here- changing something is not always the best course of action. I get it, the Colts have a serious need at the G/C positions. We also had a big need at the Safety positions when Jarius Byrd was available too. How many people cried and moaned when he went to the Saints? It's not a big deal. The Colts line will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNLM Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I love all the talk after the fact of people insinuating that we could have easily pulled off a trade with the Pats. We should have done that... Why didn't we do this... Blah blah blah... Y'all feeling a bit jealous and hurt? Y'all gonna spend the rest of the season pouting about a 32 year old Guard getting by us? Let me know when the season starts cause some of you are just being silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derakynn Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Mankind is like 9.5m per year. And old. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownColt Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No. That's not a deal I'd be comfortable doing for a variety of reasons.... 1. I think Fleener is an important part to our offense. 2. Mankins, while very good, is 32 and getting paid a fortune. He'd screw up our salary cap just at a time when Grigson has arranged the Colts' cap to be able to take on the coming deals for Luck/Fleener/Allen/Hilton/Chapman. 3. There's no telling how many good years Mankins would have left. 4. Mankins is not the missing piece to put the Colts in the Super Bowl. I don't see Indy as being just one player away from the SB.... I think we're a draft or two away. Makins is a very good player.... but not the right player for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 you ever realize trades involving the pats is either with NFC teams or AFC teams that are not threathing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNLM Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Mankind is like 9.5m per year. And old. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker61 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Chris Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Just delete this thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcolt Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Not unless I worked for NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestQBever Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Fleener is our best pass catching TE. No way we let that go. If he gets better at blocking he's a probowl level player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipatriot Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No Nuff Said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twfish Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Nooooooooooooo.... idk why people dislike fleener so much? Yea he had a rough first year but I think last year he started really pulling through for us and this year I feel hes going too be huge for us, so again Noooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvan1973 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Mankind is like 9.5m per year. And old. So no.We could use him at guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JlynRN Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No No and heck No !!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Why did this need to be a new thread? I was assuming there was at least a poll or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I don't understand the hate on fleener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincetonTiger Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I don't understand the hate on fleenerMe neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcosys Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Belicheck thinks Mankins is declining and he sold him high. No way I do it for even for just Fleener.That is exactly is MO. Belichek had always been good at swindling people from their picks by making players look good in his system and trading then off when they look at their peak but are actually on decline. He's smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordofmouth Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I don't understand the hate on fleenerI don't understand the hate on the OP.Not by you necessarily, but by many others just dismissing the question. It's a totally valid proposition. So much so that another GM said yes. Now I don't know much about the TE that was traded and how he compares to Fleener but given the state of our line and the fact that it may quite likely be the piece of the team that keeps us from reaching our potential, then how is this a stupid question?For the record, I probably wouldn't either, given Mankins age and salary, but if I could add one player in the NFL to the team ( with out giving up a bundle) Mankins would be high on the list considering our needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 No. Frankly I can't think of the last team who "won" a trade with New England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I don't understand the hate on the OP.Not by you necessarily, but by many others just dismissing the question. It's a totally valid proposition. So much so that another GM said yes. Now I don't know much about the TE that was traded and how he compares to Fleener but given the state of our line and the fact that it may quite likely be the piece of the team that keeps us from reaching our potential, then how is this a stupid question?For the record, I probably wouldn't either, given Mankins age and salary, but if I could add one player in the NFL to the team ( with out giving up a bundle) Mankins would be high on the list considering our needs.Do you have any idea how much mankind would eat our cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I don't understand the hate on fleenerI think it's fueled by one of three things. 1. People proclaimed him a bust when he was draft and they must be right. 2. They like Allen more and feel Allen's snaps are threatened by Fleener being around. 3. They like Allen more and see depth at the tightend position and rather than keeping that depth around would like to see the Colts use that depth to address another area of need. Personally I like Allen and Fleener and think having a two headed monster can only help the Colts as we have seen it help other teams. Also, Allen is coming off missing pretty much a full season of football while I think he should come back fine he might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 No. Frankly I can't think of the last team who "won" a trade with New EnglandMinnesota arguably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Oakland. Minnesota arguably.The Seymour trade? Judging by this most people would disagree with the idea Oakland won that trade. http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4737454/revisiting-the-seymour-trade-2 Is this the Minnesota trade you are talking about? http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9213915/nfl-draft-2013-new-england-patriots-trade-first-round-pick-minnesota-vikings The Vikings used that pick to take Cordarrelle Patterson. while it might be a little early to declare a winner in this trade I'd say early results favor New England for getting four draft picks for one as I don't think Patterson has proven to a buy worth giving up four draft picks for. However time could still change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The Seymour trade?Judging by this most people would disagree with the idea Oakland won that trade.http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4737454/revisiting-the-seymour-trade-2Is this the Minnesota trade you are talking about?http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9213915/nfl-draft-2013-new-england-patriots-trade-first-round-pick-minnesota-vikingsThe Vikings used that pick to take Cordarrelle Patterson. while it might be a little early to declare a winner in this trade I'd say early results favor New England for getting four draft picks for one as I don't think Patterson has proven to a buy worth giving up four draft picks for. However time could still change that.Yes Seymour. I changed it because I didn't realize that trade was just 4 years ago. I thought it was longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I wouldn't do that deal(fleener and a draft pick) even if I was high, and I don't drink or smoke.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Crow Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Mankins was at the Ed Block Courage awards for players overcoming injuries, and other factors. I would never deal with Belichick , as he'd steal quarters off a dead man's eyes if you make a trade with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsfanej Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 No i will not make out with you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The Seymour trade? Judging by this most people would disagree with the idea Oakland won that trade. http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4737454/revisiting-the-seymour-trade-2 Is this the Minnesota trade you are talking about? http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9213915/nfl-draft-2013-new-england-patriots-trade-first-round-pick-minnesota-vikings The Vikings used that pick to take Cordarrelle Patterson. while it might be a little early to declare a winner in this trade I'd say early results favor New England for getting four draft picks for one as I don't think Patterson has proven to a buy worth giving up four draft picks for. However time could still change that. They used the 2nd rounder they got to take Jamie Collins. I really like Patterson, but that might be enough to swing it in the Pats favor right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmopar Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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