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Not the least bit surprised that Carroll and Seattle would get busted for this.

 

In LA,  Carroll was known as "Cheaty Peaty" for a good reason.

 

When asked,  I'm sure his answer will sound completely innocent and reasonable.

 

I'm sure Pete is also shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- that there is gambling at Rick's!

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He was a cheater at USC.  Why should anyone be surprised he is a cheater in Seattle?

Tushay. LOL! Good point BC. 

 

Part of me does wonder how NFL teams can get their toughness back without live hits & drills in practice though. This rule needs to be extremely watered down in the next NFL CBA. 

 

I never wanna see guys get hurt or lose their jobs due to injuries, but if you aren't physical in practice, you're gonna get hurt in the game. An athlete's body needs to prepare for punishment once training camp starts if you don't you're gonna lose essential guys on your roster at the worst possible time when a HC needs them the most. 

 

What's 300K to the richest owner in the NFL Paul Allen? Pocket change that's about it unfortunately. 

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Tushay. LOL! Good point BC. 

 

Part of me does wonder how NFL teams can get their toughness back without live hits & drills in practice though. This rule needs to be extremely watered down in the next NFL CBA. 

 

I never wanna see guys get hurt or lose their jobs due to injuries, but if you aren't physical in practice, you're gonna get hurt in the game. An athlete's body needs to prepare for punishment once training camp starts if you don't you're gonna lose essential guys on your roster at the worst possible time when a HC needs them the most. 

 

What's 300K to the richest owner in the NFL Paul Allen? Pocket change that's about it unfortunately. 

Thats unlikely to happen, considering the NFLPA were the ones who wanted the rule in the first place

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Thats unlikely to happen, considering the NFLPA were the ones who wanted the rule in the first place

I agree HOFCH. I don't see any change here on the near horizon in this rule, but it just infuriates how some many foolish rules & enforced penalties hamstring pass rushers & DBs on defense. It ticks me off. 

 

Remember how RBs cried like momma's boys when a few of them got flagged for lowering their heads like a battering ram weapon & even HOF RB Marshall Faulk complained at nauseam about this & suddenly Jeff Fisher & Co. on the NFL Competition Committee back tracked on this proposed change so swiftly. It made me sick. Grow up players on offense. The world already kisses your caboose with pass interference calls in your favor 9 times out of 10. Want more do they want? It's freaking ridiculous if you ask me. 

 

Okay SW1 is done with my rant now. Sigh...

 

I've never read a zebra NFL penalty book from cover to cover, but I'll bet if you eliminated special teams infractions totally & just looked at every other possible penalty that almost 75-85% of them hamper the defense directly. JMO. That just burns me man to no end. 

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In B4 "Da Broncos lost to Cheaters!" Like how people love reminding me about the Saints "tainted" Super Bowl victory.

 

I have always had strong doubts on how much substance bounty gate actually had. Because lets be real......where was the so called bounty on Peyton Manning in the big one in the biggest game OF ALL? So the league is saying Warner/Favre were bounty worthy but not Peyton Manning?

 

Please.

 

Every team bangs each other up in games. This isn't crochet. They just make examples of people or teams when they can for fun I feel. 

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I have always had strong doubts on how much substance bounty gate actually had. Because lets be real......where was the so called bounty on Peyton Manning in the big one in the biggest game OF ALL? So the league is saying Warner/Favre were bounty worthy but not Peyton Manning?

 

Please.

 

Every team bangs each other up in games. This isn't crochet. They just make examples of people or teams when they can for fun I feel. 

haha No, it isn't Jules. But, is crochet like football except the players drink a spot of tea as opposed to guzzling down some Gatorade on the sidelines? Just Kidding! 

 

My apologies to all my European friends on here that love crochet BTW. SW1 is just in a sarcastic mood right now. I meant no disrespect. I swear. 

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I have always had strong doubts on how much substance bounty gate actually had. Because lets be real......where was the so called bounty on Peyton Manning in the big one in the biggest game OF ALL? So the league is saying Warner/Favre were bounty worthy but not Peyton Manning?

 

Please.

 

Every team bangs each other up in games. This isn't crochet. They just make examples of people or teams when they can for fun I feel. 

 

Totally agree with you.

 

Saints barely even touched Manning in that Super Bowl.

 

For all the crying about bounty gate it's mostly soup grapes.

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Totally agree with you.

 

Saints barely even touched Manning in that Super Bowl.

 

For all the crying about bounty gate it's mostly soup grapes.

 

Please.....

 

If the Saints barely touched Manning in the SB it's not because that's what they wanted.    It's because Manning gets the ball out of his hand faster than any other QB in the game.    The Saints didn't have many chances to touch him.

 

I've got no issues with the Saints winning that game.   Thought they outplayed and out-coached the Colts.    They deserved to win.     But let's not make them out to be boy scouts......

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The Saints bounty didn't affect Brett Favre? Don't kid yourself...

FX does bring up an intriguing point. If Brett Favre is a beloved southern boy with deep roots in Louisiana how do Saints players like LB Jonathan Vilma reconcile or rationale how they treated a native son on that fateful night in 2009? I realize that both the Saints & the Vikings were trying to punch their ticket to the SB as rivals to face the Colts, but here's my point: 

 

There's a difference between being competitive & literally trying to kill a QB with a #4 jersey by the 4th QTR. I'm not kidding either. Go back & watch the coaches tape. The Saints were trying to put him into a body bag. 

 

I just remember Brett's wife DeAnna putting her hand over her face like Oh my god, my husband's gonna die tonight. NO nonsense that's what I honestly thought too. 

 

I seen a lot of tough football games in my time, but none that felt like a death sentence. No, I am not engaging in hyperbole either Bogie. 

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Totally agree with you.

 

Saints barely even touched Manning in that Super Bowl.

 

For all the crying about bounty gate it's mostly soup grapes.

 

 

Things like bounty gate are the reason why I am an NFL conspiracy theorist.  

 

The point is and I have asked this before......where was the bounty on Peyton or Wayne or any big time player on the Colts awesome offense from 2009? There was not one as far as we know.......and there should have been one for the story. I doubt the Saints would say "dude...we had bounties on old man Warner and Favre at home in the dome. Lets not have one on the road vs. the MVP of the year and the favorites in the Super Bowl....yeah lets wing it with this one."

 

Even the Patriots spygate rumors stem to the SB in the biggest game vs. the Rams at times. If bountygate was the real deal to me it would go all the way through the SB...

 

 

And I know I am right, I usually am with these things.

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FX does bring up an intriguing point. If Brett Favre is a beloved southern boy with deep roots in Louisiana how do Saints players like LB Jonathan Vilma reconcile or rationale how they treated a native son on that fateful night in 2009? I release that both the Saints & the Broncos were trying to punch their ticket to the SB as rivals to face the Colts, but here's my point: 

 

There's a difference between being competitive & literally trying to kill a QB with a #4 jersey by the 4th QTR. I'm not kidding either. Go back & watch the coaches tape. The Saints were trying to put him into a body bag. 

 

I just remember Brett's wife DeAnna putting her hand over her face like Oh my god, my husband's gonna die tonight. NO nonsense that's what I honestly thought too. 

 

It is also called "protect your QB." O line FTW.

 

Colts don't even protect Luck half the time either but nobody says it is due to a bounty.

 

I am old school.......if people want to see barbaric men play a barbaric game let them make it as bloody as times as possible to satisfy the gladiator hungry masses.

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Please.....

 

If the Saints barely touched Manning in the SB it's not because that's what they wanted.    It's because Manning gets the ball out of his hand faster than any other QB in the game.    The Saints didn't have many chances to touch him.

 

I've got no issues with the Saints winning that game.   Thought they outplayed and out-coached the Colts.    They deserved to win.     But let's not make them out to be boy scouts......

Yes NCF, 18's quick release of the ball often resulted in no sacks or minimal pressure in Manning's face. Good point. Yes, the Saints won fair & square. I don't live in the excuses world. I will admit that openly.

 

Okay, maybe there was 1 sack or 2. I can't remember off the top of my head right now. I don't want any NFL purists slamming me if my no sacks comment was wrong. LOL! 

 

I have more efficient ways of wasting my free time than to memorize 2009 NFL games play by play qtr by qtr. Not directed at NCF just others who will pounce on me if I am wrong. 

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It is also called "protect your QB." O line FTW.

 

Colts don't even protect Luck half the time either but nobody says it is due to a bounty.

 

I am old school.......if people want to see barbaric men play a barbaric game let them make it as bloody as times as possible to satisfy the gladiator hungry masses.

I get your point generally that the NFL is a gladiator sport. Favre knew what he signed up for Jules I'm not denying that, but are you seriously gonna compare Luck's hits to Brett's bloodbath punishment in 2009? 

 

When the Seahawks beat Manning in February, did they try to decapitate Peyton? Nope they disrupted WR routes by putting a hat on a hat. Vilma knew kill Favre & you kill the Vikings shot at a SB bid. 

 

Let's stop trying to be cute & play semantics & word games okay. I like you but that line about line protection is utter nonsense. The Saints D knew exactly what they did & why they did it. 

 

Brett had a good o-line in 2009 & also a fast ball release. The o-line was not the issue. "Kill the head of the snake & the body will fall." We all know who said that: DC Gregg Williams. 

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Not the least bit surprised that Carroll and Seattle would get busted for this.

 

In LA,  Carroll was known as "Cheaty Peaty" for a good reason.

 

When asked,  I'm sure his answer will sound completely innocent and reasonable.

 

I'm sure Pete is also shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- that there is gambling at Rick's!

Do you really think this is a big deal?  

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Do you really think this is a big deal?  

 

$200K fine for the team.   another $100k for the head coach.    

 

Does that kind of thing happen every year?   I think the NFL is saying this is a very big deal.

 

But perhaps you disagree.

 

By the way,   nice avatar....     very nice!    :thmup:

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Clearly a rule was broken but I wouldn't call it cheating.

So, it's like speeding then? Nothing is illegal unless you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Yeah Joker, I read ya man we are on the same page here. 

 

Never admit to anything until you know exactly what you are "allegedly" being accused of. Words to live by...But once you are busted, you gotta pay the piper I'm afraid. No way around that. 

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I'm sure Pete is also shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- that there is gambling at Rick's!

I missed that Casablanca film reference/joke the 1st go round on this topic NCF My bad. 

 

I have no doubt that Pete willingly knew he was breaking the rules & looked the other way. He's a good coach & a sly devil. Facts are facts, but that devil can win with the best of them too. 

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I missed that Casablanca film reference/joke the 1st go round on this topic NCF My bad. 

 

I have no doubt that Pete willingly knew he was breaking the rules & looked the other way. He's a good coach & a sly devil. Facts are facts, but that devil can win with the best of them too. 

 

No doubt,  the man can coach up a storm.

 

And if you met him, I have no doubt that you'd like him.    And I think he's got plenty of good inside him.   I really do.

 

But he's also one for whom coloring inside the lines doesn't work.    Rules were meant to be bent as far as can possibly be.

 

There's not a corner he can't cut....   and when caught, he'd privately say....   everyone else is cutting the corners, so I'm going to cut them too.

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