Which Colts Past or Current Would You Consider for the HOF?

[JPFolks]

HI Folks,

 

 

This is picking up from the "Retire 88" Topic.   Which players from the Colts past or Present do you Predict will be in the Hall of Fame?

 

In my view: 

 

Marvin Harrison Should have been a first ballot, but now he waits, but he'll get in. 

Peyton Manning A LOCK

Reggie Wayne (What more does he need to do to qualify?)

Adam Vinatieri (if he's around and the Colts win another 1 or 2 Super Bowls, would he go in as a Colt or Patriot?)

Dwight Freeny (though not a lock in my view)

Robert Mathis (he needs 2 more strong years I my view)

Andrew Luck (I project his career arc will end in Canton)

Tony Dungy (a long shot, but he played in a SB and Coached and won the first as a black coach.. has social significance)

Jim Irsay (if the Colts win 2 more Super Bowls before he retires, I think he has a shot)

 

Guy that likely won't but I would love to see get some type of consideration: 

 

Jeff Saturday (his work on the Union/League issues significantly helped save an entire season, 8 time pro bowler)

 

Did I miss anyone?  Are those choices too many?  I am sure I left out someone obvious and perhaps stretched a bit to include some, but that's the game, so let's see your list? 

[bestQBever]

Da'rick Rogers.

[mad dog curtis]

mike Curtis I know he wont make it  but he deserves to be in there one of the best linebackers of football

 

[jvan1973]

Marvin

Reggie

Peyton

Vinny

[Superman]

 

Adam Vinatieri (if he's around and the Colts win another 1 or 2 Super Bowls, would he go in as a Colt or Patriot?)

 

I think AV has a case for going in right now, without doing anything else. But you don't go in as a member of a team, so he won't have to choose between the Colts and the Pats. (Believe it or not, he's now been a Colt longer than he was a Patriot, but he got three rings with the Pats, and his reputation as one of the most clutch kickers of all time was earned there, not here. If he did have to choose a team, I think he'd pick the Pats.)

[JPFolks]

Super, 

 

For some reason I had always thought that you declared which team you retired as and that was the team you went in under if you made the HOF? 

[Greenoughrunner]

HI Folks,

 

 

This is picking up from the "Retire 88" Topic.   Which players from the Colts past or Present do you Predict will be in the Hall of Fame?

 

In my view: 

 

Marvin Harrison Should have been a first ballot, but now he waits, but he'll get in. 

Peyton Manning A LOCK

Reggie Wayne (What more does he need to do to qualify?)

Adam Vinatieri (if he's around and the Colts win another 1 or 2 Super Bowls, would he go in as a Colt or Patriot?)

Dwight Freeny (though not a lock in my view)

Robert Mathis (he needs 2 more strong years I my view)

Andrew Luck (I project his career arc will end in Canton)

Tony Dungy (a long shot, but he played in a SB and Coached and won the first as a black coach.. has social significance)

Jim Irsay (if the Colts win 2 more Super Bowls before he retires, I think he has a shot)

 

Guy that likely won't but I would love to see get some type of consideration: 

 

Jeff Saturday (his work on the Union/League issues significantly helped save an entire season, 8 time pro bowler)

 

Did I miss anyone?  Are those choices too many?  I am sure I left out someone obvious and perhaps stretched a bit to include some, but that's the game, so let's see your list? 

Edgerrin James

[jskinnz]

Super, 

 

For some reason I had always thought that you declared which team you retired as and that was the team you went in under if you made the HOF?

No. Never been the case.

[crazycolt1]

Edgerrin James

As much as I like the Edge I don't think he deserves to be in

[crazycolt1]

HI Folks,

 

 

This is picking up from the "Retire 88" Topic.   Which players from the Colts past or Present do you Predict will be in the Hall of Fame?

 

In my view: 

 

Marvin Harrison Should have been a first ballot, but now he waits, but he'll get in. 

Peyton Manning A LOCK

Reggie Wayne (What more does he need to do to qualify?)

Adam Vinatieri (if he's around and the Colts win another 1 or 2 Super Bowls, would he go in as a Colt or Patriot?)

Dwight Freeny (though not a lock in my view)

Robert Mathis (he needs 2 more strong years I my view)

Andrew Luck (I project his career arc will end in Canton)

Tony Dungy (a long shot, but he played in a SB and Coached and won the first as a black coach.. has social significance)

Jim Irsay (if the Colts win 2 more Super Bowls before he retires, I think he has a shot)

 

Guy that likely won't but I would love to see get some type of consideration: 

 

Jeff Saturday (his work on the Union/League issues significantly helped save an entire season, 8 time pro bowler)

 

Did I miss anyone?  Are those choices too many?  I am sure I left out someone obvious and perhaps stretched a bit to include some, but that's the game, so let's see your list? 

I don't think that Tony D. Is a long shot. He will get in I think.

[Greenoughrunner]

As much as I like the Edge I don't think he deserves to be in

Maybe not first ballet but i think in time he dose

[GoColts8818]

Dungy, Manning, Marvin, and Wayne are my "locks"

 

Freeney, Mathis, AV, Saturday, and Edge will have a chance depending on how they finish their careers (those that are still playing) and how the voting goes (IE are they up against really stacked classes or what not.)

 

As for guys like Luck's age I think it's too soon to say.

[GAColtsFan]

Super, 

 

For some reason I had always thought that you declared which team you retired as and that was the team you went in under if you made the HOF? 

I thought so also.

[SackDaddy]

Definitely Edgerrin James, maybe Bert Jones and Lydell Mitchell and Cornelius Bennett.

[GoColts8818]

Super, 

 

For some reason I had always thought that you declared which team you retired as and that was the team you went in under if you made the HOF?

baseball works that way if elected. The NFL they list all the teams you played for which is why the Colts can say guys like Faulk, Dickerson, and Richard Dent are Indianapolis Colts in the hall because they all spent at least one season here when we all know they are in the hall more so for what they did for other teams than the Colts.

[JPFolks]

Edgerrin James

I am not sure his career stats/achievements would be anywhere close to getting him in.  Great Colt player though. 

[JPFolks]

No. Never been the case.

 

I just read a the Hall Of Fame site the following: 

 

"the Hall of Fame “choose” a team under which a new member is enshrined" 

 

Here's a link: http://origin-www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.aspx

[GoColts8818]

I just read a the Hall Of Fame site the following:

"the Hall of Fame “choose” a team under which a new member is enshrined"

Here's a link: http://origin-www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.aspx

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.aspx

That's a listing off the Hall of Fame's webpage of Hall of Famers by team. You really think richard dent would have picked the Colts to go in under if he had to pick a team?

The NFL Hall does not make players select teams they honor your full career by listing everyone you played for. Also there is no reason to pick a team as the busts have no team logos on them unlike baseball where they put hats on the busts.

[jvan1973]

I just read a the Hall Of Fame site the following:

"the Hall of Fame “choose” a team under which a new member is enshrined"

Here's a link: http://origin-www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.aspx

Look at the hall of fame website. This one is not accurate

[BOTT]

I don't think Saturday has a %

[Fx Stryker]

The only lock I see is Peyton.

 

Reggie and Marvin will be stuck in the WR log jam, and I think they could be forgotten by the time it's their "turn."

 

As for Dungy I don't feel he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Dungy just doesn't sit next to names like Noll, Shula, Madden, Lombardi, ect. The only true Hall of Fame coach from the 2000s was Belichick.

 

I really don't agree with how the NFL has to have X amount of members enter the Hall each year. It should be like baseball where you can go a year or two or however many without Hall of Fame inductions. It should be reserved for the legends only.

 

The current Colts are way too young to even guess who could make the Hall.

[BOTT]

The only lock I see is Peyton.

 

Reggie and Marvin will be stuck in the WR log jam, and I think they could be forgotten by the time it's their "turn."

 

As for Dungy I don't feel he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Dungy just doesn't sit next to names like Noll, Shula, Madden, Lombardi, ect. The only true Hall of Fame coach from the 2000s was Belichick.

 

I really don't agree with how the NFL has to have X amount of members enter the Hall each year. It should be like baseball where you can go a year or two or however many without Hall of Fame inductions. It should be reserved for the legends only.

 

The current Colts are way too young to even guess who could make the Hall.

Marvin is a lock

[jvan1973]

The only lock I see is Peyton.

Reggie and Marvin will be stuck in the WR log jam, and I think they could be forgotten by the time it's their "turn."

As for Dungy I don't feel he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Dungy just doesn't sit next to names like Noll, Shula, Madden, Lombardi, ect. The only true Hall of Fame coach from the 2000s was Belichick.

I really don't agree with how the NFL has to have X amount of members enter the Hall each year. It should be like baseball where you can go a year or two or however many without Hall of Fame inductions. It should be reserved for the legends only.

The current Colts are way too young to even guess who could make the Hall.

If Andre Reed got in, Marvin and Reggie will. It will just take time

[BOTT]

If Andre Reed got in, Marvin and Reggie will. It will just take time

Reed going in instead of Marvin was a complete joke

[sb41champs]

   Peyton Manning - first ballot LOCK

       Marvin Harrison - victim of a glut of worthy WR's waiting for their HOF call

       Reggie Wayne - may suffer the same fate as #88 - and - have to wait

       Jeff Saturday - may have to wait - but -  deserves a bust.  His help with settling the NFL/NFLPA standoff is a positive.

       Edgerrin James - when I see Terrell Davis still waiting it makes me ??

       Tarik Glenn - maybe

       Tony Dungy - absolutely

       Jim Irsay - absolutely

       

[pacolts56]

I am not sure his career stats/achievements would be anywhere close to getting him in.  Great Colt player though. 

He'll get in eventually....not on the 1st ballot....but his career rushing totals are without question HoF level, his receiving skills were excellent and his blocking skills as a RB were second to none.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm

[ColtsFanMikeC]

HI Folks,

 

 

This is picking up from the "Retire 88" Topic.   Which players from the Colts past or Present do you Predict will be in the Hall of Fame?

 

In my view: 

 

Marvin Harrison Should have been a first ballot, but now he waits, but he'll get in. 

Peyton Manning A LOCK

Reggie Wayne (What more does he need to do to qualify?)

Adam Vinatieri (if he's around and the Colts win another 1 or 2 Super Bowls, would he go in as a Colt or Patriot?)

Dwight Freeny (though not a lock in my view)

Robert Mathis (he needs 2 more strong years I my view)

Andrew Luck (I project his career arc will end in Canton)

Tony Dungy (a long shot, but he played in a SB and Coached and won the first as a black coach.. has social significance)

Jim Irsay (if the Colts win 2 more Super Bowls before he retires, I think he has a shot)

 

Guy that likely won't but I would love to see get some type of consideration: 

 

Jeff Saturday (his work on the Union/League issues significantly helped save an entire season, 8 time pro bowler)

 

Did I miss anyone?  Are those choices too many?  I am sure I left out someone obvious and perhaps stretched a bit to include some, but that's the game, so let's see your list? 

Marvin should be in next year hands down.

 

Reggie, I think needs 2 more years of 65+catches(this would put him at #3 all time on the reception list)  or 20 more TD's (to reach 100) to be a lock. I think he still has a great shot as he stands now, but WR's are judged differently now than they were in the past -- when Andre Reed played it wasn't such a 'pass-happy league' like it is today, so guys today have to have better numbers to make it. Reggie has a real benefit that he'll probably retire ranked in the top 3 in post-season receptions, reception yards and touchdowns by a WR.

 

Peyton - first ballot lock.

 

Dungy -- should be in there in a few years, he changed game with his cover 2 D and by being such a class act and the first black head coach to win a title.

 

Irsay -- hard to say, he should be in if Colts win 2 or more superbowls under his ownership, but his latest arrest may delay his entrance or exclude him all together.

 

Freeney -- I don't think so -- he most likely won't end up in the top 20 of sack leaders when he ends his career and he was a very one-dimensional player. He changed the game somewhat by being one of the first 'little guys' to really be just a sack specialist but he wasn't very well-rounded as a player and injuries plagued him throughout his career.  He was named to the 2000's all decade team though, so he's going to at least get a shot -- I just think it'll be tough for someone whose game was so 1-dimensional to not be in the top 20 in sacks and get in.

 

Mathis -- I think he has a more legitimate case than Freeney (more sacks in 1 less year and almost 200 more tackles). Mathis also pretty much came to own the 'strip-sack' and will probably end his career as the all-time leader in forced-fumbles and be in the top 10-15 range for all-time leaders in sacks. Hopefully he'll get a few more rings as well. It will be interesting to see if this suspension has any role in keeping voters from voting for Mathis.

 

Edgerrin James -- he should be on the ballot, though I am not sure he gets in -- after LaDanian Tomlinson, Edge was the 2nd most productive back on the 2000's.  I think the rule of thumb for HOF running backs in 1 decade of dominance -- Edge is pretty close to that with 7 out of 9 seasons to start his career over 1,000 yards (and one shortened season he was only 11 yards away) -- Edge was also a very good receiver and blocker. If he wasn't hurt from 2001-2003, he very well may have finished his career with more rushing yards than LT (Edge finished with 12,246 in 148 games for 82.7 yards/game vs. LT's 13,684 in 170 games for 80.5 yards/game).  Edge was also named first team all-decade at RB -- he has a legit shot.

 

Tarik Glenn -- doubt it -- he was 3 time pro-bowl and never an all pro.. he was in an era of pretty fierce competition at OT, too -- Orlando pace was a 7x pro-bowler and 5x all pro and then there were guys like Willie Roaf, Walter Jones, Jonathan Ogden who were even better/more accomplished than that. Tarik was a great player for us, but I am not sure he's getting to the HOF based on the competition at his position and across the OL -- the 2000's also had Will Shields, Kevin Mawae, Larry Allen, Alan Faneca, etc... who are probably more deserving than Tarik.

 

Jeff Saturday -- doubt it -- though I think he'd have a better shot than Tarik. Saturday was a 6 time probowler, 2 time all pro, 2 time 2nd team all pro -- pretty good numbers, plus he will be a little more well known to the voters with his role as an NFL ambassador and because his face/name are probably more linked to Peyton's success.

 

Vinatieri -- out of all kickers that have appeared in over 200 games, only Phil Dawson  (84.5%) and Matt Stover (83.7%) have a higher percentage of made field goals than Vinny (83%). Vinny has, after this year, a very good shot at being #3 all time on most points for kickers (behind Mort and Gary Anderson).  Plus, he is known as one of the most clutch players in NFL history -- and will retire with at least 4 super bowls (maybe more) -- he should be a lock to make the HOF

 

On our current roster (besides Mathis, Wayne, Vinny and Irsay) -- I think Luck will be a first-ballot if he remains healthy.  The only other player on our current roster that stands out to me is TY -- this will be tough, as he will have to keep improving his production and stay healthy for another decade or more, but for his first 2 years in the league, TY has sure started out fast (he has 132 receptions for 1,944 yards and 12 TD's compared to Marvin Harrison's 137 receptions for 1,702 yards and 14 TD's in 2 seasons -- Wayne had 76 receptions for 1,061 and 4 TD's in his first 2 years).

[IndyTrav]

One of my favorite subjects. 

 

 

Peyton-1st ballot lock. No question. 

 

Marvin- Will get in. Perhaps this ballot, maybe the next. 

 

Reggie- The knee injury was something his resume could not afford. Great player for us, but unless he plays until he's 40, he isn't getting in. Colts HoF. But no NFL HoF. His #'s are not going to look as good in 10yrs. 

 

Edge- Not gonna make it. The induction of Jerome Bettis makes me believe there is an outside shot. But if guys like Alexander or Davis arent making it, Edge probably wont either. Honestly I see 1 RB in the next 5 yrs making it and thats LT. 

 

Saturday- He had 2 or 3 seasons when he was considered the best C in the game. He has a nice story, is currently a media member, and will be remembered for his Union work. I am also willing to be that Peyton Manning, once he's elected, endorses him fully and points to him as someone who got him where he is......He will wait a long time, but I think he gets enough behind the scenes momentum to make the cut in a down year.

 

Freeney- Wont make it. To many players have already surpassed him in an insanely short amount of time, including his own former teammate. 

 

Mathis- A DPoY last yr would have really given him a shot, but as it stands now he won't make it either. 

 

 

But all these guys mentioned are RoH/Colts HoF worthy. 

[The Old Crow]

Peyton Manning - first ballot LOCK

Marvin Harrison - victim of a glut of worthy WR's waiting for their HOF call

Reggie Wayne - may suffer the same fate as #88 - and - have to wait

Jeff Saturday - may have to wait - but - deserves a bust. His help with settling the NFL/NFLPA standoff is a positive.

Edgerrin James - when I see Terrell Davis still waiting it makes me ??

Tarik Glenn - maybe

Tony Dungy - absolutely

Jim Irsay - absolutely

Manning. Lock

Harrison Yes

Wayne Maybe

Saturday Maybe

James No

Glenn No

Irsay. No

[rock8591]

Samson Satele

[Fx Stryker]

If Andre Reed got in, Marvin and Reggie will. It will just take time

  

Marvin is a lock

Marvin deserves a spot, but the wide receiver log jam can prove to be an issue. Couple that with the off field stuff he could be forgotten. As unfair as that is to take non-football issues people will. I don't think if there was a log jam at the WR position it would be a walk in the park, but like I said he could be forgotten.

Reggie, well that's different. He will always be seen as Peyton's #2. The Robin to Marv's Batman. He has shown he is a very capable #1, but has played most of his time as a #2. He isn't going to be seen as the veteran who ushered in the new era. To the media and voters he is the third wheel to the Peyton and Marvin show.

Another factor is how highly they think of the teams and players that were under Peyton's command. Great players that fell apart when he went down.

[Buck Showalter]

Still waiting for Biasucci....

[ColtJ82]

Definitely Edgerrin James, maybe Bert Jones and Lydell Mitchell and Cornelius Bennett.

I think Bennett definitely deserves to be in based on his body of work from Buffalo. I suggested this one day when I got on the air during "Kravitz and Eddie".......Kravitz immediately dismissed the suggestion. Granted, Kravitz is a * that knows nothing about Football and probably didn't remember his time in Buffalo.

 

5 time Pro Bowler, 1 1st Team All Pro, 2 AFC Defensive Player of the Years. Came full circle to the Colts (Colts drafted him 2nd overall and he was included in the Eric Dickerson trade).

[Beizy317]

Mike doss! Jk Marvin and Reggie will easily make it.

[Gavin]

I'd love to see Edge get in, He earned it

[bap1331]

Reggie without a doubt.

Andrew Luck and TY Hilton in the future.

 

Its a long shot but i predict Moncrief and Vontae Davis are possibilities. Vontae is an impact player.

[GoColts8818]

Reggie without a doubt.

Andrew Luck and TY Hilton in the future.

 

Its a long shot but i predict Moncrief and Vontae Davis are possibilities. Vontae is an impact player.

Moncrief hasn't even played a game yet and you are already touting him for the Hall of Fame?