Irsay bashed for giving away cash?

[GoPats]

For some reason I immediately thought of this scene from Caddyshack: 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI2h5FMr5Oc

 

"Gimme two of those, gimme six of those, gimme a box of those orange balls, a box of those naked lady tees... oh this is the worst hat I ever saw!" 

[Nadine]

For some reason I immediately thought of this scene from Caddyshack: 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI2h5FMr5Oc

 

"Gimme two of those, gimme six of those, gimme a box of those orange balls, a box of those naked lady tees... oh this is the worst hat I ever saw!" 

 

lol "looks good on you though"

[Superman]

Well played.

 

But most of the fighting I see is internal with Colts fans. You can try to pin it on rival fans if you want but I have read the threads. Irsay's actions, tweets, etc cause a lot of dissension in your fanbase.

 

I hate this devil's advocate, "I'm just saying," half-hearted crap. If you have an argument, make it and stand by it. If you're wrong, admit it. If you're right, continue to stand by it. 

 

Weakly limping around on a sorry opinion brings nothing to the discussion.

[NewColtsFan]

Irsay has been doing stuff like giving away cash/tickets for a while. In fact he was doing long before anything happened, and I don't think there are any other owners out there doing anything close to him as far as charitable offers go. The man made a mistake, and will have to earn back the trust of a lot of people... but trust me the money is not part of it because as I said it has been going on a long time. You are part of the new crew who came in with Luck from his college days in Stanford as memory serves me. So if you stick around you will see it a lot more of Jim Irsay doing good things. Things that will never be reported on without some negative connotations.    

 

I want to be clear about this....   and I said this in a later post which you may, or may not have seen by now......

 

I think handing out cash like this is completely different than his contests on twitter -- which I think are great!     I love Irsay because of his connection to the community and the various charities that he supports, etc. etc.

 

But, it's the timing of it all.    With the trial coming up, and the probable fine/suspension he'll get from Goddell,   it just looks bad, especially to those who are NOT Colts fans.    Anyone living outside of Indiana.     As Superman put it,   it looks tacky.   And it looks like he's trying to buy back his good reputation.

 

That may not be the case....    but that's what it looks like.

 

Hope that helps clarify my views.....

[jvan1973]

I want to be clear about this.... and I said this in a later post which you may, or may not have seen by now......

I think handing out cash like this is completely different than his contests on twitter -- which I think are great! I love Irsay because of his connection to the community and the various charities that he supports, etc. etc.

But, it's the timing of it all. With the trial coming up, and the probable fine/suspension he'll get from Goddell, it just looks bad, especially to those who are NOT Colts fans. Anyone living outside of Indiana. As Superman put it, it looks tacky. And it looks like he's trying to buy back his good reputation.

That may not be the case.... but that's what it looks like.

Hope that helps clarify my views.....

He hands out money every year at camp. Nothing new.

Also, who cares what other people think.

[PuntersArePeopleToo]

I joined this website in May of 2012 and this is the first time I've seen Irsay do something like that.

 

THIS is the first time I've been embarrassed about Irsay.

 

Given the big picture and what he's facing and the timing of it all,  it was an INCREDIBLY STUPID and silly thing to do.

 

The visual was awful.

 

He really needs someone around him who he trusts to just say.....   "No,  don't do it.   Just don't do it."

 

It looked like a PR stunt.    It looked like he's trying to buy good will.     Even if he's done stuff like this before, he hasn't with the a possible suspension and fine hanging over his head.  

 

It was just flat-out dumb.

 

I've said to other posters in other threads here before that I've never been embarrassed over anything that Irsay has done.   That changed when I saw the video of what he did.

 

I just wish he hadn't done it.    It's not the end of the world,  but while it may, or may not have bought good will with some of the locals,   it certainly didn't buy good will with anyone outside the Colts community.

 

Bad move, Jim.    Bad move.........  

The last 3 years ive gone to colts camp he has given 100 dollars signed bills to fans media just didnt care to say anything till this year

[NewColtsFan]

The last 3 years ive gone to colts camp he has given 100 dollars signed bills to fans media just didnt care to say anything till this year

 

Thanks.

 

I appreciate the good 411.

[NewColtsFan]

He hands out money every year at camp. Nothing new.

Also, who cares what other people think.

 

I understand now that Irsay does this every year.    And it's only this year that it's drawing some attention.

 

But let me ask you.....  why do you think that is?

 

We both know the answer....   because he's got an upcoming trial followed by Goddell's punishment.    When the owner of my favorite team is a national story,  then I care what it looks like to everyone outside the family.    Especially when I think it makes him look bad.

[jvan1973]

I understand now that Irsay does this every year. And it's only this year that it's drawing some attention.

But let me ask you..... why do you think that is?

We both know the answer.... because he's got an upcoming trial followed by Goddell's punishment. When the owner of my favorite team is a national story, then I care what it looks like to everyone outside the family. Especially when I think it makes him look bad.

Worrying about what other people think is a waste of time.

[Nadine]

Worrying about what other people think is a waste of time.

 

True

[cdgacoltsfan]

I understand now that Irsay does this every year.    And it's only this year that it's drawing some attention.

 

But let me ask you.....  why do you think that is?

 

We both know the answer....   because he's got an upcoming trial followed by Goddell's punishment.    When the owner of my favorite team is a national story,  then I care what it looks like to everyone outside the family.    Especially when I think it makes him look bad.

It only looks bad because the media has decided to make it a national story and circus...and why is that do you suppose?. Where were the headlines when Jim handed out $$ last year...or the year before...or the year before that? Like you said...its all about timing. (and $$ I might add)

[lollygagger8]

So the guy gives away autographed $100 bills and people get mad? 

 

Oh wait, they're mad that they didn't get one. 

 

 

[jvan1973]

So the guy gives away autographed $100 bills and people get mad?

Oh wait, they're mad that they didn't get one.

What a jerk

[Qwiz]

Worrying about what other people think is a waste of time.

Not when you're an owner of an NFL team. Your reputation is a huge part of your business and success.

[jvan1973]

Not when you're an owner of an NFL team. Your reputation is a huge part of your business and success.

Yeah, not really. Success on the field determines business success. There will be butts in the seats and people watching on TV

[Dustin]

Not when you're an owner of an NFL team. Your reputation is a huge part of your business and success.

 

That's why the Cowboys are doing so terribly financially. /s

[Qwiz]

Yeah, not really. Success on the field determines business success. There will be butts in the seats and people watching on TV

Not if you dig yourself into a hole so deep or do something bad enough to alienate your fans or players. Ask Donald Sterling. His team sure had success on the court but his reputation has lost him ownership of that team.

[Qwiz]

That's why the Cowboys are doing so terribly financially. /s

Jerry Jones has never done anything extremely terrible in the public. Making bad draft picks is hardly the same as driving while intoxicated.

[jvan1973]

Not if you dig yourself into a hole so deep or do something bad enough to alienate your fans or players. Ask Donald Sterling. His team sure had success on the court but his reputation has lost him ownership of that team.

No, his team was taken from him. And in turn he gets 2 billion dollars. Sounds like success to me

[Qwiz]

No, his team was taken from him. And in turn he gets 2 billion dollars. Sounds like success to me

Yeah, and he'll never own another team again. Expecting him to just give the team up for free or cheap is absurd, of course he is going to benefit from it. Doesn't change that he lost the team.  

[Dustin]

Not if you dig yourself into a hole so deep or do something bad enough to alienate your fans or players. Ask Donald Sterling. His team sure had success on the court but his reputation has lost him ownership of that team.

 

People who pay money for tickets care more about on field issues than off the field ones. If Jerry Jones can still have the most lucrative franchise in the NFL after winning 1 playoff game in like 20 years, than a team owned by a perennial contender isn't going to suffer because of a non-football related issue.

[jvan1973]

Yeah, and he'll never own another team again. Expecting him to just give the team up for free or cheap is absurd, of course he is going to benefit from it. Doesn't change that he lost the team.

He lost his team for many reasons. Not one incident

[Qwiz]

People who pay money for tickets care more about on field issues than off the field ones. If Jerry Jones can still have the most lucrative franchise in the NFL after winning 1 playoff game in like 20 years, than a team owned by a perennial contender isn't going to suffer because of a non-football related issue.

The Cowboys have been the most marketable franchise since before Jerry Jones got ownership of them. Besides, it is more than the fans perception that an owner needs to worry about. There are 31 other owners in the NFL.

[Qwiz]

He lost his team for many reasons. Not one incident

Yeah, and I guarantee you that the racist remarks were the nail in the coffin. If he still had ownership of that team there would be no players playing, no fans watching, and millions of dollars in revenue lost.

[Dustin]

The Cowboys have been the most marketable franchise since before Jerry Jones got ownership of them. Besides, it is more than the fans perception that an owner needs to worry about. There are 31 other owners in the NFL.

 

You're not making any sense. The other 31 owners are going to hurt the Colt's business? 

[jvan1973]

Yeah, and I guarantee you that the racist remarks were the nail in the coffin. If he still had ownership of that team there would be no players playing, no fans watching, and millions of dollars in revenue lost.

This isn't the first time he made racist remarks. Yet the team still sold for 2 billion dollars

[Qwiz]

You're not making any sense. The other 31 owners are going to hurt the Colt's business? 

I'm making perfect sense, you are just missing the point. SB bids will be affected, for one. You do know who votes on those, right? Having a bad reputation and offering what many here think should be a,  " Me against the world" attitude is not going to win him the favor of his peers and the higher-ups in the NFL. And if an owner does something vile enough, like I've pointed out, he risks losing the support of players, which is the worst thing that can happen to the owner of a sports team.

[Qwiz]

This isn't the first time he made racist remarks. Yet the team still sold for 2 billion dollars

Yeah, this is the first time he's been caught doing it, with people hearing all over the world. And it is an NBA franchise, a longstanding one at that. What did you expect it to sell for?

[Shane Bond]

I hate this devil's advocate, "I'm just saying," half-hearted crap. If you have an argument, make it and stand by it. If you're wrong, admit it. If you're right, continue to stand by it. 

 

Weakly limping around on a sorry opinion brings nothing to the discussion.

She says something atleast rather than running away, you know what i mean.

[jvan1973]

Yeah, this is the first time he's been caught doing it, with people hearing all over the world. And it is an NBA franchise, a longstanding one at that. What did you expect it to sell for?

He has been convicted of housing discrimination, he was sued by Elgin Baylor for race discrimination. The fact that he is a racist bigot is not new news. Also, no American pro team has been sold for anywhere near that amount. And the clippers have never been close to winning anything

[Dustin]

I'm making perfect sense, you are just missing the point.

 

No, you don't really have a point. It's just wishful thinking on your part.

 

 

SB bids will be affected, for one. You do know who votes on those, right? 

 

, the NFL owners vote on super bowl locations with a preference on

 

1. Teams that build new stadiums

2. Where they picture they'll have the most success business wise.

 

If they think that they'll have the most success with a Super Bowl in Indianapolis, they're not going to say "LOL who cares about money? Remember that time Irsay got a DUI 6 years ago?! Let's give it to a city where we'll have less success because of some mis-placed sense of self-righteousness!" 

 

The NFL is out to make money, not hold petty grudges that they probably don't care about anyway.

 

Everything else you say is based on uninformed assumptions and hypotheticals. 

 

By the way, no NFL city turns a profit on a Super Bowl. Nice try though. 

[Qwiz]

He has been convicted of housing discrimination, he was sued by Elgin Baylor for race discrimination. The fact that he is a racist bigot is not new news. Also, no American pro team has been sold for anywhere near that amount. And the clippers have never been close to winning anything

Yeah, but when the public can actually see for themselves without having to be told by the media about allegations (something that I don't remember even being reported on heavily in the media, unlike the comments from the voicemail) things are a little bit more extreme. The Clippers are still one of the oldest teams in the NBA and have been a franchise on the rise for a while. They are LA's team now, not the Lakers, and that is the second biggest market in America.

[OffensivelyPC]

I'm sure that had the analyst who wrote the article been one of the people who received a $100, he'd be like, "You know what?  You're a *," and given the money back.

[Superman]

She says something atleast rather than running away, you know what i mean.

 

Oh please. No one runs away from your weak arguments. I just don't feel like being accused of making personal attacks when I tell you that your argument is weak.

[Qwiz]

No, you don't really have a point. It's just wishful thinking on your part.

 

 

 

, the NFL owners vote on super bowl locations with a preference on

 

1. Teams that build new stadiums

2. Where they picture they'll have the most success business wise.

 

If they think that they'll have the most success with a Super Bowl in Indianapolis, they're not going to say "LOL who cares about money? Remember that time Irsay got a DUI 6 years ago?! Let's give it to a city where we'll have less success because of some mis-placed sense of self-righteousness!" 

 

The NFL is out to make money, not hold petty grudges that they probably don't care about anyway.

 

Everything else you say is based on uninformed assumptions and hypotheticals. 

 

By the way, no NFL city turns a profit on a Super Bowl. Nice try though. 

Dude wth are you talking about? Wishful thinking? I don't give a damn about what Irsay does. He can ruin his reputation as much as he likes, I live in Houston, I don't follow the Colts or their owner. You act like there is some sort of agenda by other fans against Irsay when in fact there isn't. The whole victim card gets old. Uninformed assumptions? Okay. I was speaking more on reputation in general than this one incident. If Irsay goes and gets caught driving high off his pipe again, or does something else that owners just can't do (they are held to a higher standard than players, you know) then yes, owners and voters will remember, and that will have an effect on what happens with the team and the business of the team. Same goes for any owner, hell, look at how so many vilified New England for the Aaron Hernandez thing. You can stick your fingers in your ear and go la la la all you want but it is what it is. The notion that I have an agenda here is beyond laughable. But whatever, I guess everyone hates the Colts and someone planted those drugs in Irsay's system and the money in his pocket that night. The rest of us are such villains. /s

[Superman]

By the way, no NFL city turns a profit on a Super Bowl. Nice try though. 

 

I'd qualify that statement by saying that they don't turn a direct profit. Studies are conflicted, but many suggest that there is a long-term economic benefit to the host city.

[Shane Bond]

Oh please. No one runs away from your weak arguments. I just don't feel like being accused of making personal attacks when I tell you that your argument is weak.

Whats ironic is i gave you a chance to prove my argument as weak. All you keep saying is its weak.

 

I am ready now when you are ( another chance for you ).

[Superman]

Whats ironic is i gave you a chance to prove my argument as weak. All you keep saying is its weak.

 

I am ready now when you are ( another chance for you ).

 

LOL, no thanks. You continue in this alternate reality you've designed, though. 

[Dustin]

Dude wth are you talking about? Wishful thinking? I don't give a damn about what Irsay does. He can ruin his reputation as much as he likes, I live in Houston, I don't follow the Colts or their owner. You act like there is some sort of agenda by other fans against Irsay when in fact there isn't. The whole victim card gets old. Uninformed assumptions? Okay. I was speaking more on reputation in general than this one incident. If Irsay goes and gets caught driving high off his pipe again, or does something else that owners just can't do (they are held to a higher standard than players, you know) then yes, owners and voters will remember, and that will have an effect on what happens with the team and the business of the team. You can stick your fingers in your ear and go la la la all you want but it is what it is. The notion that I have an agenda here is beyond laughable. But whatever, I guess everyone hates the Colts and someone planted those drugs in Irsay's system and the money in his pocket that night. The rest of us are such villains. /s

 

Like I said, wishful thinking on your part. 

[Shane Bond]

LOL, no thanks. You continue in this alternate reality you've designed, though. 

There you go.

 

Now dont call my arguments weak again, if you keep ignoring to justify it.