Josh Gordon Defense Looks Pretty Good

[dw49]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

 

 

 

Looks like maybe he has a legit grip. 

[TKnight24]

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2nd hand smoke? Seriously?

Why hang around people who do illegal (in some states) activity?

He'll be suspended soon, no need to even entertain this.

[Synthetic]

Don't matter, he still has a major problem with pot.

 

Browns are a domino effect of mess. Ever since they let the criminal buy their team it's been one bad thing after another.

[HtownColt]

Sounds like a good defense

[mo0nlighting]

eyeroll.

 

Maybe he was hotboxin' instead.  

[Gavin]

The 5th comment on that story at the bottom is hilarious!!       ;)

[Narcosys]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

Looks like maybe he has a legit grip.

Do you have any clue how much second hand smoke you would need to inhale to pop hot on a urinalysis?

Hours and hours of constant contact in a poorly ventilated confined space like a car. The guy is an *, and now he looks even more stupid for even bringing this up.

http://mobiledrugtestinglongisland.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/can-secondhand-smoke-cause-a-positive-drug-test-for-marijuana/

[HtownColt]

"If nothing else, the thresholds for a positive test should be raised substantially (and, if the NFL and NFLPA can ever agree on the final piece of HGH testing and a new global drug policy, the amounts required to trigger a "positive" test very likely would in fact go up. Right now football players are being held to a bizarre standard -- 15 nanograms per milliliter, which constituted a failed test.

"For air traffic controllers, it's three-times higher," Schaffer said. "For WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency), the cutoff level is 175 -- that's for Olympic athletes -- which is over 10 times greater than what we deal with. People who are landing planes can be at 50 nanograms, but an NFL player hurting on Sunday night are at 15? For personal use in your home? I don't get it. I've tried to push the union to raise the threshold for a long time, and I've tried to push the league office to push the threshold higher. I've advocated for this for over a decade. "To me it's a win-win situation -- not suspending your best players for doing something everyone else is doing. If you're that worried about Josh Gordon, get him help. Don't penalize him. And if teams are worried that pot makes players less aggressive, then, hey, that player will eventually get cut if that's the case. But the way this policy is put together now doesn't make sense anyone."

Jason La Confora article: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24579115/time-for-roger-goodell-and-nfl-to-get-real-about-players-marijuana-use?v=1&vc=1

[dw49]

Do you have any clue how much second hand smoke you would need to inhale to pop hot on a urinalysis?

Hours and hours of constant contact in a poorly ventilated confined space like a car. The guy is an *, and now he looks even more stupid for even bringing this up.

http://mobiledrugtestinglongisland.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/can-secondhand-smoke-cause-a-positive-drug-test-for-marijuana/

No I haven't a clue , but do you ? I'm only reading what the article states and it says there are Scientific tests that show you have is not necessarily true for this case.. I pulled it out and quoted it below. Now I'm assuming that the "studies" referred to are not Gordon or his attorneys. I think what you might be missing is what you have quoted .. where it's laughable to fail their test due to second hand smoke is the fact that you need to blow like a 50 to fail that test. It does say that in their belief second hand smoke would not make someone fail a test at the 15 level which is the NFL level here. But unless what I posted is pure garbage , there seems to be a difference of opinion on this. Did you read the whole article ? It states that one sample he gave resulted in a passed test and the other was barley failed . You could be right but it appears by this source that he might have a bit of a case here.

 

 

 

 

 

"Scientific studies have shown that secondhand smoke exposure can result in the kind of test results similar to those of Gordon. Because of this, Gordon's test results would have been negative for marijuana if considered under other professional sports testing regimens -- including the strict Olympic standard and Major League Baseball -- the federal workplace testing standards and various state testing standards, including California and Nevada, which govern boxing and MMA."

[Patagonia Chris]

I think he does have a legitimate chance here. For one, he has passed over 70 drug tests. Second, the NFL has an A and B sample when they drug test their athletes. In Gordon's case his A sample had 16 ng while his B sample had 13.6 ng. So had his "B" sample been his "A" sample this is a non-issue. For as little as was found in his sample, it could very easily be second hand smoke. Third, the NFL drug-testing policy is a crock of $H!%

[Andy]

I read the first line and I laughed. I kept reading, and it seems like if his lawyers can really convince the judge that this is all due to second hand smoke, Gordon can get away with a lesser suspension.

 

I don't buy it one bit, but he does have a case.

[Superman]

I think he does have a legitimate chance here. For one, he has passed over 70 drug tests. Second, the NFL has an A and B sample when they drug test their athletes. In Gordon's case his A sample had 16 ng while his B sample had 13.6 ng. So had his "B" sample been his "A" sample this is a non-issue. For as little as was found in his sample, it could very easily be second hand smoke. Third, the NFL drug-testing policy is a crock of $H!%

 

Wow. Average that out, and you get 14.315, still below the threshold. The samples should be consistent with one another.

 

I don't know whether it's actually possible to fail a test based on secondhand smoke. And it's kind of dumb for Gordon to put himself in that position, as a repeat offender who gets tested regularly. But that's a tough fail.

[loudnproudcolt]

I dont think it matters. You have to realize for marijuana they have to miss a lot of tests, don't know how many but Golic says it is quite a few, just to get to the point of getting into the program. Then you have two game, four game. Once you get to a full season suspension, you have tested positive so many times, you must be hanging out at a coffee house in Denver where everyone is smoking weed to make the argument it is second hand smoke.

 

Plus I know it is not supposed to play a part in his suspension, but the DWI will come into play. By NFL regs. it is not to be considered, but as a whole, you can tell he has an addiction problem, and it is just another deciding factor. I hope he gets well. I know Cleveland is an AFC team, but it would be nice for the fans if they had some positive news. I feel sorry for them, but it also makes you see how incredibly blessed we have been, although we did suffer for a lot of years before Peyton arrived, so I can feel their pain a bit.

[Superman]

I dont think it matters. You have to realize for marijuana they have to miss a lot of tests, don't know how many but Golic says it is quite a few, just to get to the point of getting into the program. Then you have two game, four game. Once you get to a full season suspension, you have tested positive so many times, you must be hanging out at a coffee house in Denver where everyone is smoking weed to make the argument it is second hand smoke.

 

Plus I know it is not supposed to play a part in his suspension, but the DWI will come into play. By NFL regs. it is not to be considered, but as a whole, you can tell he has an addiction problem, and it is just another deciding factor. I hope he gets well. I know Cleveland is an AFC team, but it would be nice for the fans if they had some positive news. I feel sorry for them, but it also makes you see how incredibly blessed we have been, although we did suffer for a lot of years before Peyton arrived, so I can feel their pain a bit.

 

You're missing some details, but you're right. I don't feel sorry for Gordon; he's a repeat offender already. But if these articles are true -- that the tolerances are too low, and Gordon was barely above the limit -- then I agree that some changes could be made.

[BpG]

"If nothing else, the thresholds for a positive test should be raised substantially (and, if the NFL and NFLPA can ever agree on the final piece of HGH testing and a new global drug policy, the amounts required to trigger a "positive" test very likely would in fact go up. Right now football players are being held to a bizarre standard -- 15 nanograms per milliliter, which constituted a failed test.

"For air traffic controllers, it's three-times higher," Schaffer said. "For WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency), the cutoff level is 175 -- that's for Olympic athletes -- which is over 10 times greater than what we deal with. People who are landing planes can be at 50 nanograms, but an NFL player hurting on Sunday night are at 15? For personal use in your home? I don't get it. I've tried to push the union to raise the threshold for a long time, and I've tried to push the league office to push the threshold higher. I've advocated for this for over a decade. "To me it's a win-win situation -- not suspending your best players for doing something everyone else is doing. If you're that worried about Josh Gordon, get him help. Don't penalize him. And if teams are worried that pot makes players less aggressive, then, hey, that player will eventually get cut if that's the case. But the way this policy is put together now doesn't make sense anyone."

Jason La Confora article: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24579115/time-for-roger-goodell-and-nfl-to-get-real-about-players-marijuana-use?v=1&vc=1

 

 

 

 

This article is a prime example of why Josh Gordon probably isn't going to get even a one game suspension. After reading through all of this, 70 consecutive clean drug tests. I can't see where he gets anything more than a couple of games if he gets suspended at all. 

 

 

I knew the league had a problem, when they brought the hammer down on Daryl Washington and Levonne Brazil VERY QUICKLY and sat on Gordon for 8 months.

[Valpo2004]

This article is a prime example of why Josh Gordon probably isn't going to get even a one game suspension. After reading through all of this, 70 consecutive clean drug tests. I can't see where he gets anything more than a couple of games if he gets suspended at all. 

 

 

I knew the league had a problem, when they brought the hammer down on Daryl Washington and Levonne Brazil VERY QUICKLY and sat on Gordon for 8 months.

 

Even if he gets by these drug test results which from reading the article it looks like he has a chance at that. . . He still likely going to face a suspension for his DWI arrest.  So he will face a suspension I would say. . . However the length seems to be in question.

 

That said if Gordon can play a significant portion of this year, that is huge for the Browns. 

[Valpo2004]

You're missing some details, but you're right. I don't feel sorry for Gordon; he's a repeat offender already. But if these articles are true -- that the tolerances are too low, and Gordon was barely above the limit -- then I agree that some changes could be made.

 

I think the thing that got me is that the Olympics tolerances are much higher.  

 

That said, I'm not sure that the courts can order the NFL to change it's standards.  As long as the standards are fair across the board to all players, I'm not sure the courts can tell them that their standards are wrong and need to be changed.  

[Narcosys]

No I haven't a clue , but do you ? I'm only reading what the article states and it says there are Scientific tests that show you have is not necessarily true for this case.. I pulled it out and quoted it below. Now I'm assuming that the "studies" referred to are not Gordon or his attorneys. I think what you might be missing is what you have quoted .. where it's laughable to fail their test due to second hand smoke is the fact that you need to blow like a 50 to fail that test. It does say that in their belief second hand smoke would not make someone fail a test at the 15 level which is the NFL level here. But unless what I posted is pure garbage , there seems to be a difference of opinion on this. Did you read the whole article ? It states that one sample he gave resulted in a passed test and the other was barley failed . You could be right but it appears by this source that he might have a bit of a case here.

"Scientific studies have shown that secondhand smoke exposure can result in the kind of test results similar to those of Gordon. Because of this, Gordon's test results would have been negative for marijuana if considered under other professional sports testing regimens -- including the strict Olympic standard and Major League Baseball -- the federal workplace testing standards and various state testing standards, including California and Nevada, which govern boxing and MMA."

Yes it says exposure can test positive but it's the amount of exposure you need is so ridiculous that it is more than likely that he actually did it. Plus the fact that it shows up in the passing sample, they can still get him just because it's present and it's his 2nd+ infraction

[Poster X]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

 

 

 

Looks like maybe he has a legit grip. 

The grip on his bong is legit. The idea of second hand smoke is highly unlikely as you would have to have people sitting there blowing tons of smoke in your face. He was pulled over too... so he is screwed either way.

[dw49]

Yes it says exposure can test positive but it's the amount of exposure you need is so ridiculous that it is more than likely that he actually did it. Plus the fact that it shows up in the passing sample, they can still get him just because it's present and it's his 2nd+ infraction

 

 

 

I have no idea on any of what it takes for 2nd hand smoke to result in a positive test. I read the article I posted as I thought it was somewhat interesting. If the author has his facts correct , I think Gordon has a chance to either beat this or get the suspension reduced. By no means am I arguing that he didn't smoke pot because I have no clue. 

[Patagonia Chris]

Wow. Average that out, and you get 14.315, still below the threshold. The samples should be consistent with one another.

 

I don't know whether it's actually possible to fail a test based on secondhand smoke. And it's kind of dumb for Gordon to put himself in that position, as a repeat offender who gets tested regularly. But that's a tough fail.

 

Yeah with his past you think he'd just avoid situations that could potentially damage his future as an NFL player. As we've seen with Gordon's DWI/DUI situation though, he isn't the best risk/reward assessor in the league.

[Ryan Pelley]

LOL, the Ray Rice related comments on the page are hilarious, yet so true. 

[lollygagger8]

Lol this is hilarious. 

 

2nd hand smoke from shotgunning it maybe. 

[Qwiz]

Yeah....this isn't gonna work at all. He should just take his punishment like a man instead of embarrassing himself further.

[Narcosys]

I have no idea on any of what it takes for 2nd hand smoke to result in a positive test. I read the article I posted as I thought it was somewhat interesting. If the author has his facts correct , I think Gordon has a chance to either beat this or get the suspension reduced. By no means am I arguing that he didn't smoke pot because I have no clue.

I'm pretty sure I posted the article that stated you'd basically have to sit in a car full of people smoking it for hours to get popped. There's numerous more that say the same thing. It's hard for 2nd hand to show up.

[dw49]

More on Friday's appeal…

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11286008/nfl-issues-warning-ahead-josh-gordon-appeal

[Le Neon]

Even if he gets by these drug test results which from reading the article it looks like he has a chance at that. . . He still likely going to face a suspension for his DWI arrest. So he will face a suspension I would say. . . However the length seems to be in question.

That said if Gordon can play a significant portion of this year, that is huge for the Browns.

This is a potential sticking point. Legitimate appeal chance, but even if he's cleared he's got another potential suspension in the pipeline.

[OffensivelyPC]

Whether he gets out of his charges legally, it's not going to help him at all with whatever sanctions he gets from the NFL.  He shouldn't have been around people who smoked weed in the first place.

[GoPats]

Wow. Average that out, and you get 14.315, still below the threshold. The samples should be consistent with one another.

 

I don't know whether it's actually possible to fail a test based on secondhand smoke. And it's kind of dumb for Gordon to put himself in that position, as a repeat offender who gets tested regularly. But that's a tough fail.

 

That's the part that threw me way off, too. I mean, Richard Sherman's suspension was overturned because his sample was mishandled (poured into another cup, I believe). If you get two readings from the same sample, how could they not be identical? I'm not a scientist or doctor by any means but that seems really shady to me. 

 

That said, Gordon put himself in this position. 

[dw49]

This probably means it's more likely it stands….  Rotoworld…..

 

 

Josh Gordon's appeal will be "all or nothing," either resulting in no ban at all or a full-year suspension.

NFLPA spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed to PFT that when the league's disciplinary penalties were established 20 years ago, "the union expressed the strong view that they needed to be stated and mandatory to ensure that all players be treated the same regardless of position, experience, level of ability, or competitive considerations." If the hearing officer determines the violation was "established," Gordon will be "bound" to the one-year suspension. In other words, Gordon's ban could not be reduced to six, eight, or ten games. If the hearing officer finds there was a violation of the league's drug policy, Gordon's one-year ban will stand. If no violation is established, Gordon will be free to play a 16-game schedule barring a short ban related to his July DUI arrest.

[Dustin]

IMO he won't win.

[John Dee]

I agree....     silly being around it in the first place but trace amounts can show in urine screens.       and the threshold the NFL uses is SO unrealistic compared to other major sports and Olympic standards.  This is where my issue with the entire ordeal comes from....    that and the fact a grown MAN can clock his GF unconscious and get 2 games?   And burning pot gets...  a potential year long ban?   Something is terribly amiss here..

 

After the Ray Rice fiasco...   I can't see dude getting any more than 4 games AT MOST.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

 

 

 

Looks like maybe he has a legit grip. 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

 

 

 

Looks like maybe he has a legit grip. 

[dw49]

I agree....     silly being around it in the first place but trace amounts can show in urine screens.       and the threshold the NFL uses is SO unrealistic compared to other major sports and Olympic standards.  This is where my issue with the entire ordeal comes from....    that and the fact a grown MAN can clock his GF unconscious and get 2 games?   And burning pot gets...  a potential year long ban?   Something is terribly amiss here..

 

After the Ray Rice fiasco...   I can't see dude getting any more than 4 games AT MOST.

  

 

Seems to me that he might have a legit grip , but I really have no idea if that's the case. Other then proving the test was mishandled or something of that nature , it appears that theses rulings are pretty tough to overturn.

 

Saw this on Rotoworld this morning……

 

 

 

 

Harold Henderson will hear Josh Gordon's appeal on Friday.

It's not good news for Gordon. A source previously told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer that "you would have a better chance of convincing your teacher your dog ate your homework" than trying to get Henderson to buy a second-hand smoke defense. The Plain Dealer added Thursday that it's a "longshot" Gordon will get off the hook. Commissioner Roger Goodell will not be at the hearing, but is expected to meet with Gordon sometime in the next week.

 

 

[jvan1973]

With Gordan and Johnny as the future, the browns are destined to stay in the cellar of the AFC