Which (if any) Colts from the 2012 draft class do you think will get extensions next off-season?

[Dustin]

2012 class:

 

Luck (5th year option)

Fleener

Hilton

Allen

Chapman

Ballard

[BigQandTheManiac]

Luck for sure...hilton for sure...allen most likely...ballard/fleener/chapman depends...IMO

[throwing BBZ]

Assuming excellent health:

Allen & Hilton have rarer skills and are hard to replace.

Hopefully Chapman is who some think he is and would be locked up.
And all of them are real keepers in my book. Go Colts!

[PrincetonTiger]

All but in this order

Luck

Hilton

Allen

Fleener

Chapman

Ballard

[Dustin]

So you don't think any of them will play out their original rookie deal?:

[BOTT]

Allen and Hilton

[Bluefire4]

Luck, Hilton, and Fleener get signed. Allen and Ballard need to prove they can stay healthy and Chapman needs to show improvement.

[NewColtsFan]

I'm not sure I know,  but what makes you ask?

 

Eventually, I expect all of them to re-sign, unless someone like Ballard gets hurt again and can't play.

 

But I think we want all of the guys you list to ultimately stay with the Colts....

 

Does it make a difference if we re-sign them in the spring of 2015,  or 2016,  or, in the possible case of Luck,  perhaps 2017?

 

I'm not arguing any of this....  just curious to your thinking.....

[Gavin]

I'm not sure I know,  but what makes you ask?

 

Eventually, I expect all of them to re-sign, unless someone like Ballard gets hurt again and can't play.

 

But I think we want all of the guys you list to ultimately stay with the Colts....

 

Does it make a difference if we re-sign them in the spring of 2015,  or 2016,  or, in the possible case of Luck,  perhaps 2017?

 

I'm not arguing any of this....  just curious to your thinking.....

I think eventually...inevitably 1-2 of our players from that draft class will be let go....In fact its already happened with Brazill and Justin Anderson but those 2 I know had there own issues, At the same time its a lot easier to retool offensive weapons such as a TE or even WR in my opinion rather then an O Lineman or defensive player, I don't have any official #'s but I'd say (and I realize this is just opinion) that more offensive weapons (TE's, WR's, RB's) are let go that have done really well rather then trying to replace a key O Lineman or defensive player

[NewColtsFan]

I think eventually...inevitably 1-2 of our players from that draft class will be let go....In fact its already happened with Brazill and Justin Anderson but those 2 I know had there own issues, At the same time its a lot easier to retool offensive weapons such as a TE or even WR in my opinion rather then an O Lineman or defensive player, I don't have any official #'s but I'd say (and I realize this is just opinion) that more offensive weapons (TE's, WR's, RB's) are let go that have done really well rather then trying to replace a key O Lineman or defensive player

 

I'm a little lost with this post....

 

Anderson was let go simply because he was a 7th round pick who wasn't very good.   He didn't have a future with the colts.

 

Brazil had a drug problem....

 

But the others?    Is there a reason to think that any of them are not core players?    Aren't those the guys you want to build your team with?     What am I missing here?

 

Assuming they all pan out and remain healthy,  there's no reason not to re-sign all of them eventually?

 

Some will get a long-term deal next off season -- after their 3rd year.    Others will need to wait after the 2015 season,  their 4th year.     And Luck could get his deal at anytime the team feels it's in their strategic advantage to do so.    It may be as far off as the spring of 2017, after his 5th year.    I doubt that,  but it could be.

 

But again.....  If we're interested, I don't see any reason not to ultimately re-sign Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hilton, Chapman and Ballard.

[Valpo2004]

Luck's 5th year option gets taken for sure.  He will likely have to wait a little longer for his extension because of that 5th year option.

 

Hilton for sure.

 

Allen if he can make it through the season without injury.  If not then we probably re-sign Fleener.  But I'm pretty sure that we don't re-sign both Allen and Fleener.  

 

Ballard might get a low cost extension if he avoids injury.  He's a RB and he's a mediocre one at that.  We could probably bring him back for 2 to 3 mil APY.  

 

Chapman it's hard to say, I can't really evaluate his performance at this point.  

[HtownColt]

Luck to get 5th year option

I would say Allen will be the first to get an extension. Then Hilton

Think Fleener will play out his contract then resign in FA. Chapman will do the same

Ballard? Toss up because of the way teams handle RBs now

[Valpo2004]

Luck to get 5th year option

I would say Allen will be the first to get an extension. Then Hilton

Think Fleener will play out his contract then resign in FA. Chapman will do the same

Ballard? Toss up because of the way teams handle RBs now

 

I think Fleener would have to start showing something special or give us a bargain to be re-signed alongside Allen.

 

So far I think Fleener's a solid player and would find a job elsewhere but he's not shown anything special that says we have to re-sign this guy as well alongside Allen.

 

Also the development of Eric Swoop plays into this.  If Swoop is ready to be a key player there is even less reason to hold onto Fleener. 

 

Ballard I think has a good chance of re-signing if he doesn't get hurt again.  The going rate on solid RB's is pretty low these days.  I mean the open market demand for his services without injury problems is maybe 2 or 3 million APY tops.   

[HtownColt]

I think Fleener would have to start showing something special or give us a bargain to be re-signed alongside Allen.

So far I think Fleener's a solid player and would find a job elsewhere but he's not shown anything special that says we have to re-sign this guy as well alongside Allen.

Also the development of Eric Swoop plays into this. If Swoop is ready to be a key player there is even less reason to hold onto Fleener.

Ballard I think has a good chance of re-signing if he doesn't get hurt again. The going rate on solid RB's is pretty low these days. I mean the open market demand for his services without injury problems is maybe 2 or 3 million APY tops.

My feeling on Fleener resigning with us is totally friendship based with Pep/Luck, even if we offered him a contract a little under his market value

[Valpo2004]

My feeling on Fleener resigning with us is totally friendship based with Pep/Luck, even if we offered him a contract a little under his market value

 

I think it would have to be a lot under market value to warrant it.  

 

We've already got Allen who if could be special if he doesn't hit injury problems again and we will likely have to pay him.

 

I like Fleener and understand their friendship but in the end you don't give guys millions of dollars because you are friends with them.  

 

It's a tough business . . . remember last year we cut a guy on the Monday after he blocked a kick against the Seahawks that propelled us to winning that game.  

[HtownColt]

I think it would have to be a lot under market value to warrant it.

We've already got Allen who if could be special if he doesn't hit injury problems again and we will likely have to pay him.

I like Fleener and understand their friendship but in the end you don't give guys millions of dollars because you are friends with them.

It's a tough business . . . remember last year we cut a guy on the Monday after he blocked a kick against the Seahawks that propelled us to winning that game.

Fleener is no scrub. Not as awesome as Allen, but no scrub

[Valpo2004]

Fleener is no scrub. Not as awesome as Allen, but no scrub

 

Not saying he is. . . But since he's not as good as Allen you have to be careful about how much money you are handing out to a TE#2.

[Jason_]

Not saying he is. . . But since he's not as good as Allen you have to be careful about how much money you are handing out to a TE#2.

Fleener and Allen are different types of players. Allen is better at some things and fleener is better at others. I think they'll both be priorities to be re-signed.

[PuntersArePeopleToo]

Luck and TY perhaps one of the tightends the others will have to wait till the following year to make sure they came back from their injuries for sure

[Dustin]

I'm not sure I know,  but what makes you ask?

 

 

Idk, just making conversation. 

[BlueCollarColts]

I think we keep them all except Vick Ballard, not all next off-season, but I feel we will go after another RB in the draft, unless Ballard is cheap. 

[Valpo2004]

I think we keep them all except Vick Ballard, not all next off-season, but I feel we will go after another RB in the draft, unless Ballard is cheap. 

 

With this recent injury it makes it even more unlikely that we keep Ballard past his rookie deal.

 

However I do want to point out that on the current market even a fully healthy Ballard would be cheap.  Likely less then 2M.

 

But with the injuries it makes more sense to draft an RB.  How highly of course depends strongly on how Richardson performs this season.  If he breaks out then we can spend a 4 or a 5 on one and likely not need them to play anything more then a #2 role right away.

 

*Also something to remember about this conversation.  We hold the 5th year option on Richardson as well. . . it would cost 8 million to exercise. . . But I would imagine Richardson would have to show something really really special this season to warrant it.  Of course we could always just attempt to re-sign him without exercising the option.* 

[chad72]

Only T.Y.Hilton, that is it.

 

Luck, 5th year option will be picked up.

 

Allen, if he has a healthy year, will demand more. Fleener would probably be happier to play with Luck than Allen, just a hunch. Regardless, I do think we lose Allen, keep Fleener. But neither of our TEs will get extensions at end of 2014 season.

[BOTT]

Only T.Y.Hilton, that is it.

 

Luck, 5th year option will be picked up.

 

Allen, if he has a healthy year, will demand more. Fleener would probably be happier to play with Luck than Allen, just a hunch. Regardless, I do think we lose Allen, keep Fleener. But neither of our TEs will get extensions at end of 2014 season.

Not dissing Fleener, but if the Colts are only going to keep one they would keep Allen

[chad72]

Not dissing Fleener, but if the Colts are only going to keep one they would keep Allen

 

It purely boils down to the price tag. A healthy Fleener might not demand as much as a healthy Allen. Allen is still carrying that chip on his shoulder from his perceived draft diss and I feel he may overstate his value to the team than the team would be willing to pay. We will just have to see how it unfolds.

[GoColts8818]

It all depends on how much money a guy thinks he's worth and how much the Colts think he's worth the closer those two sides numbers are to matching the better the odds an extension gets done.

With Luck probably getting the fifth year option I am guessing TY might get the tag if it comes to that.

[Valpo2004]

It purely boils down to the price tag. A healthy Fleener might not demand as much as a healthy Allen. Allen is still carrying that chip on his shoulder from his perceived draft diss and I feel he may overstate his value to the team than the team would be willing to pay. We will just have to see how it unfolds.

 

His value is what agents are for.  I'm pretty sure he has one and the agent should be able to give him his real value on the market.

 

Also have to remember that while his low draft status might put a chip on his shoulder, the Colts are the people who actually gave him a shot at the top of the 3rd.  

[coltsfanatic24]

Hilton and Allen.

[Rhane19]

Luck will be the 1st extended

 

then Hilton

[MTC]

Luck, Hilton, Allen (depending if he's healthy), and Fleener. 

[Dark Superman]

Chapman needs to prove himself? Dude is in full beast mode.