Gordy signs tender, Costa retires (won't get any money) [Merge]

[austriancolt]

It's just a huge gamble. Holmes played only a few snaps. Thomas is coming back from a season ending injury and is a questionmark too and Grigson so far has done not very much to improve the Offensive Line which was a weak part the last years. I'm not saying Grigson is a god or a bust in my opinion it is just a bit risky to hope that Holmes, Lance Louis etc. can give us a top 15 Oline. Especially because we struggled to protect Luck and also sucked with their power running Offense and we invested a first round pick in TRich... 

[Superman]

I hear they are going with Kilgore getting younger saving a little coin. Goodwin is available he is not injured has started all 56 games including playoffs for 49ers since they signed him in 2011 not sure why he isn't here maybe Grigs wants to make sure Holmes wins the job??

I have read that Goodwin is expected to be selective in FA"s a could retire if the right opportunity wasn't there not sure how snapping to Luck for a season or two couldn't be a good option.

Kind of makes me wish we still had Harold Goodwin, former line coach, who is Jon's brother. He could probably get him here. All things considered, I bet he signs in Arizona in a couple months.

But the key for Goodwin, I think, is that he wants to play, not be stuck on the bench. I don't know if he's willing to play guard, but if he is, that would make him even more valuable for us. Seems like a logical fit at this point, but there has to be mutual interest. We'll see what happens.

[Superman]

Wonder what the reason for Costas retirement really is.

Sure we'll get a replacement for him.

 

One thing I just don't get, is the notion that we'll be fine with Holmes at Center. Based on what? Blind faith in Grigsons ability to spot a solid NFL starter in the 4th round of the draft? We didn't really shine on O-line/Center last season, but still no sign of Holmes. At all. But now, he's ready to take on the big guys in the NFL? What has he been eating since last season, and where can I get some?

But apparently there's no need to take someone who's an "average NFL Center" - Well, I guess I wouldn't really mind having an average NFL Center starting for us, especially over a 4th rounder who was never actually played a game as a Center in the NFL.

You might even argue that "an average NFL Center", would be a pretty solid upgrade over what we have had lately.

 

If Holmes turns out to be a superstar Center, that's just great. I just don't buy it.

 

Everyone knows that if there is one thing this team really needs, it's to upgrade our O-line. So far, you would have to be blinded by your faith in Grigson to claim that we have fixed that. We actually look worse at O-line now, than what we did when the season ended, and that's actually both very impressive and very worrying.

The only possitive, is that Donald Thomas should be back.

 

Just to clarify, I don't blame Grigson for Costa leaving the game. I'm sure that he never saw that coming.

 

I disagree with the bolded, very much. Getting rid of Satele and McGlynn is the very definition of addition by subtraction. We do have serious question marks, but we definitely don't look worse. Not even close. 

[TKnight24]

It's just a huge gamble. Holmes played only a few snaps. Thomas is coming back from a season ending injury and is a questionmark too and Grigson so far has done not very much to improve the Offensive Line which was a weak part the last years. I'm not saying Grigson is a god or a bust in my opinion it is just a bit risky to hope that Holmes, Lance Louis etc. can give us a top 15 Oline. Especially because we struggled to protect Luck and also sucked with their power running Offense and we invested a first round pick in TRich...

With Andrew Luck at QB, you only need a Top 20 offensive line, he'll do the rest

[ztboiler]

Kind of makes me wish we still had Harold Goodwin, former line coach, who is Jon's brother. He could probably get him here. All things considered, I bet he signs in Arizona in a couple months.

But the key for Goodwin, I think, is that he wants to play, not be stuck on the bench. I don't know if he's willing to play guard, but if he is, that would make him even more valuable for us. Seems like a logical fit at this point, but there has to be mutual interest. We'll see what happens.

It probably makes the most sense for Goodwin to see which teams still need a plug and play center after the draft and OTA's.  The money won't change for the worse, and may even get better.

[Superman]

It probably makes the most sense for Goodwin to see which teams still need a plug and play center after the draft and OTA's.  The money won't change for the worse, and may even get better.

 

Yup.

[MacDee1975]

I love it.

 

Pretty much all I read on here after Costa was signed was how bad he sucked.

 

Now that he inexplicably retires, all the sudden we have a gaping hole on the offensive line?

[austriancolt]

With Andrew Luck at QB, you only need a Top 20 offensive line, he'll do the rest

 

Maybe but If you wanna run succesfully you need more than just a top 20 line ;-)

[austriancolt]

I love it.

 

Pretty much all I read on here after Costa was signed was how bad he sucked.

 

Now that he inexplicably retires, all the sudden we have a gaping hole on the offensive line?

 

Wrong. It's not about Costa it's about the lack of effort to improve the Offensive Line SO FAR that concerns a lot of people. If your Offensive Line is one of your major problems and you did virtually nothing to solve this problem and rely on a guy that only played a few snaps and another guy coming back after spending a whole season on IR that's a bit scary.

[BrentMc11]

Wrong. It's not about Costa it's about the lack of effort to improve the Offensive Line SO FAR that concerns a lot of people. If your Offensive Line is one of your major problems and you did virtually nothing to solve this problem and rely on a guy that only played a few snaps and another guy coming back after spending a whole season on IR that's a bit scary.

We have had addition by subtraction in the utmost form.  Finally ridding ourselves of poor performance instantly makes the line better.

 

We have the draft, UFAs...and some waiver wire OL decisions...Hang in there.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

How does a player retire after just being signed???!!!!!

He just robbed us blind!!!!!!!!!

He is probably not going to be paid!

[Superman]

Wrong. It's not about Costa it's about the lack of effort to improve the Offensive Line SO FAR that concerns a lot of people. If your Offensive Line is one of your major problems and you did virtually nothing to solve this problem and rely on a guy that only played a few snaps and another guy coming back after spending a whole season on IR that's a bit scary.

 

Signed two free agents last year (Cherilus was very good, Thomas looked good before the injury). We drafted two linemen last year, and it's worth giving them a shot to fill the gaps, otherwise why draft them? Thornton was inconsistent, but showed ability. Holmes is a huge question mark, but at some point we have to let him play, otherwise, again, why draft him?

 

I feel like Grigson did his o-line work last offseason, and it will hopefully pay off this season. Veteran depth is probably needed, but the hope is that Holmes and Thornton are the C and RG of the future. That's why we drafted them. It is scary to rely on them, particularly Holmes, but that's part of building a team.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

I will now root for Austin!

[akcolt]

Kind of makes me wish we still had Harold Goodwin, former line coach, who is Jon's brother. He could probably get him here. All things considered, I bet he signs in Arizona in a couple months.

But the key for Goodwin, I think, is that he wants to play, not be stuck on the bench. I don't know if he's willing to play guard, but if he is, that would make him even more valuable for us. Seems like a logical fit at this point, but there has to be mutual interest. We'll see what happens.

Good point about Goodwin wanting to play and we want Holmes to win the job maybe not such a good fit. I was thinking at 35 he might want to start his coaching career in uniform and mentor/back up Holmes. If the coaches are as high on Holmes as they claim to be it makes sense that we would not bring in a starter. For my money Goodwin has been the best FA C from day one.

 

In reality it is not that hard to find a back up C/G I think most would be surprised to see how many starting C's went undrafted. I am sure Grigs has a plan. June 1st cuts most likely. I would say Goodwin and Kyle Cook 66 starts for the Bengals  are out if we are just looking for someone to push him Holmes. I would guess Cook would want a shot to start too.

[SOMDColtsfan]

How do you go through the whole interview process (Grigson) and get no inclination the guy is going to retire or consider retiring? I don't get that..the highs are high and the lows low with Grigson

[NewColtsFan]

How do you go through the whole interview process (Grigson) and get no inclination the guy is going to retire or consider retiring? I don't get that..the highs are high and the lows low with Grigson

 

You think Grigson should've asked a 26 year old if he's thinking about retiring in the near future?    Like a month from the day Costa sign?     Why would the topic of retirement even come up?     And maybe it did...   maybe Grigson asked and Costa said he plans on playing many more years.    A month later,  things changed.    It happens.

 

I just read some articles on Costa from a Dallas newspaper.    Costa said he was retiring due to the wear and tear on his body.  This should be a reminder on how violent the game of football is....

 

I don't see why this is a Grigson issue.   Stuff happens in football.    Stuff you can't foresee.     You deal with as best you can, and move on.

[SOMDColtsfan]

You think Grigson should've asked a 26 year old if he's thinking about retiring in the near future?    Like a month from the day Costa sign?     Why would the topic of retirement even come up?     And maybe it did...   maybe Grigson asked and Costa said he plans on playing many more years.    A month later,  things changed.    It happens.

 

I just read some articles on Costa from a Dallas newspaper.    Costa said he was retiring due to the wear and tear on his body.  This should be a reminder on how violent the game of football is....

 

I don't see why this is a Grigson issue.   Stuff happens in football.    Stuff you can't foresee.     You deal with as best you can, and move on.

I think Grigson as a GM should have the ability to tell if a guy`s heart is into playing for the Colts BEFORE he signs them yes. Its his job. Costa had to have some idea, you don't just retire from the NFL without some sort of mulling it over. Grigson signed him, it is his issue. The Boynett signing last year was another example. From what I remember they stumble upon this guy at the combine, have limited conversations and then draft him. We all know how that turned out. Like I also stated, the highs are high..Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hylton, Freeman, etc...but the lows are low Satele, Boynett, DHB etc. Some work out some don't , I get that.

[Superman]

I think Grigson as a GM should have the ability to tell if a guy`s heart is into playing for the Colts BEFORE he signs them yes. Its his job. Costa had to have some idea, you don't just retire from the NFL without some sort of mulling it over. Grigson signed him, it is his issue. The Boynett signing last year was another example. From what I remember they stumble upon this guy at the combine, have limited conversations and then draft him. We all know how that turned out. Like I also stated, the highs are high..Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hylton, Freeman, etc...but the lows are low Satele, Boynett, DHB etc. Some work out some don't , I get that.

 

I think that's a real stretch. People change their minds. I don't think anyone should be expected to somehow pick up on the possibility that the guy who is here hoping for a contract is going to suddenly retire next month. All indications -- like his very presence in the building -- are to the contrary.

 

And then the Boyett thing? You must believe in fortune tellers. There is absolutely nothing in his background to suggest that he would have an off the field incident like the one he had. The only issues with Boyett were his injuries. You also make it seem like Grigson drafted him after a five minute conversation, without doing any homework on him. That's a bit sensational. As a 6th round pick, which is going to be a flyer anyways, drafting the guy that you were impressed with on a personal level at the Combine makes sense. But the Colts were at his pro day, where he worked out in front of all kinds of scouts, and they evaluated everything they could find about him. 

 

There are plenty of things to be critical of with Grigson -- the Richardson trade, Satele, even DHB (though that was a low risk move that stood out only because Reggie got hurt). The Costa deal is annoying, but I don't see why Grigson should have somehow known that he was going to retire, or that Boyett was going to get arrested. Those are both very strange assertions.

[NewColtsFan]

I think Grigson as a GM should have the ability to tell if a guy`s heart is into playing for the Colts BEFORE he signs them yes. Its his job. Costa had to have some idea, you don't just retire from the NFL without some sort of mulling it over. Grigson signed him, it is his issue. The Boynett signing last year was another example. From what I remember they stumble upon this guy at the combine, have limited conversations and then draft him. We all know how that turned out. Like I also stated, the highs are high..Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hylton, Freeman, etc...but the lows are low Satele, Boynett, DHB etc. Some work out some don't , I get that.

 

They didn't stumble into Boyett....   the knew all about him ahead of time...   they happened to see him at the combine,  but it wasn't that meeting alone that said "let's draft him"....   If they hadn't seen at the combine,  they would've arranged for the meeting.   They liked him.   They wanted him.    I'm not aware that there was anything in Boyett's background that should have told the GM that the kid would go out and get raging drunk and say something incredibly stupid.

 

You do realize it wasn't getting drunk that cost Boyett his job.   It was his comments that went public and embarrassed the franchise.    If there wasn't a history of that kind of behavior -- and Boyett is the son of a coach with a good background -- then I'm not sure what the GM was supposed to know.    Stuff happens.     Hey, Boyett was one of my favorite picks from last year's draft.   I was very disappointed we lost him.   But I didn't blame Grigson.   I blamed Boyett.

 

As for Costa,  I'm not sure you can say he didn't have his heart into football.   His heart probably was, but his body wasn't.  His body wouldn't let him anymore.   That happens in the NFL.

 

I don't know what the magic words or questions are for a GM, any GM, to know whether a player is considering retiring.  

 

I'm sure Costa was on his best behavior as all of us are when we're on a job interview.    By the way, in one of the Costa stories from the Dallas papers that I read,  it said the teams that were interested in him,  were the Colts, New England. Cincinnati and Detroit.    3 of the 4 are playoff caliber teams.    They had brought Costa in.   They all saw talent in the kid.

 

I'm sure you'll disagree, but I think you're misreading events.   And that has resulted in you placing blame where it doesn't belong...    but, I'm viewed here by some as a blind defender of Grigson....    so, there is that....            

[esmort]

Signed two free agents last year (Cherilus was very good, Thomas looked good before the injury). We drafted two linemen last year, and it's worth giving them a shot to fill the gaps, otherwise why draft them? Thornton was inconsistent, but showed ability. Holmes is a huge question mark, but at some point we have to let him play, otherwise, again, why draft him?

 

I feel like Grigson did his o-line work last offseason, and it will hopefully pay off this season. Veteran depth is probably needed, but the hope is that Holmes and Thornton are the C and RG of the future. That's why we drafted them. It is scary to rely on them, particularly Holmes, but that's part of building a team.

 

I agree he made a couple of positive OL moves last year ... but at the same time instead of going ahead and just fixing the entire line last year (when OL FA talent was relatively cheap & plentiful) he chose to gamble(and lose) on McGlynn and Satele and try to draft their replacements. 

 

IMO he should have just "bit the bullet" and spent the money to fix the entire OL last year ... even if it was with some older vets on contracts that we could get out of in 1-2 years.  If he had done that he still could have drafted Thornton, Holmes, etc .... as their replacements/competition.  Instead we are gambling again; this time on a 2nd year center with no real experience/injury history, a 2nd year guy who showed flashes but was "nothing to write home about", a guy coming off IR ... and the quality of the depth behind those "unknowns" are even a bigger ?'s. 

 

IMO Grigson's plan for rebuilding the OL was flawed from the beginning and he did not seem to have a legitimate contingency plan in place in case his initial plan was to go awry ... and now it looks like he is doubling down on that original plan ... and again i do not see a legitimate contingency plan. I think he deserves much of the criticism he is getting, not necessarily for Costa's retirement, but for how he has handled the OL in general.  If the interior line is suspect again this season I for one will start questioning if Grigson is the right guy for the job.

[SOMDColtsfan]

They didn't stumble into Boyett....   the knew all about him ahead of time...   they happened to see him at the combine,  but it wasn't that meeting alone that said "let's draft him"....   If they hadn't seen at the combine,  they would've arranged for the meeting.   They liked him.   They wanted him.    I'm not aware that there was anything in Boyett's background that should have told the GM that the kid would go out and get raging drunk and say something incredibly stupid.

 

You do realize it wasn't getting drunk that cost Boyett his job.   It was his comments that went public and embarrassed the franchise.    If there wasn't a history of that kind of behavior -- and Boyett is the son of a coach with a good background -- then I'm not sure what the GM was supposed to know.    Stuff happens.     Hey, Boyett was one of my favorite picks from last year's draft.   I was very disappointed we lost him.   But I didn't blame Grigson.   I blamed Boyett.

 

As for Costa,  I'm not sure you can say he didn't have his heart into football.   His heart probably was, but his body wasn't.  His body wouldn't let him anymore.   That happens in the NFL.

 

I don't know what the magic words or questions are for a GM, any GM, to know whether a player is considering retiring.  

 

I'm sure Costa was on his best behavior as all of us are when we're on a job interview.    By the way, in one of the Costa stories from the Dallas papers that I read,  it said the teams that were interested in him,  were the Colts, New England. Cincinnati and Detroit.    3 of the 4 are playoff caliber teams.    They had brought Costa in.   They all saw talent in the kid.

 

I'm sure you'll disagree, but I think you're misreading events.   And that has resulted in you placing blame where it doesn't belong...    but, I'm viewed here by some as a blind defender of Grigson....    so, there is that....            

Getting drunk didnt cost Boyett his job but it put him on the path to it, then his character came out. Anyways all I`m saying is once is a coincidence, twice makes you go hmmm and 3 times is a trend. I never said Grigs should be fired or is a bad GM in the big picture..

[SOMDColtsfan]

I think that's a real stretch. People change their minds. I don't think anyone should be expected to somehow pick up on the possibility that the guy who is here hoping for a contract is going to suddenly retire next month. All indications -- like his very presence in the building -- are to the contrary.

 

And then the Boyett thing? You must believe in fortune tellers. There is absolutely nothing in his background to suggest that he would have an off the field incident like the one he had. The only issues with Boyett were his injuries. You also make it seem like Grigson drafted him after a five minute conversation, without doing any homework on him. That's a bit sensational. As a 6th round pick, which is going to be a flyer anyways, drafting the guy that you were impressed with on a personal level at the Combine makes sense. But the Colts were at his pro day, where he worked out in front of all kinds of scouts, and they evaluated everything they could find about him. 

 

There are plenty of things to be critical of with Grigson -- the Richardson trade, Satele, even DHB (though that was a low risk move that stood out only because Reggie got hurt). The Costa deal is annoying, but I don't see why Grigson should have somehow known that he was going to retire, or that Boyett was going to get arrested. Those are both very strange assertions.

That's your opinion. No fortune teller believer here. The guy messed up and to Grigsons credit he handled it the way he should have, he cut him! Great job Grigson! There, is that a "positive vibration" for you? lol..As far as Costa goes, if you think its strange for a fan to question a GM to sign a player who retires only a month after, at a position you are already thin at, failed miserably at with the last player you signed at the position, yet continued to play that player when everything showed they sucked, then....well I don't know what to say.   People change their minds? C`mon man! That's more than annoying, in NFL terms that's called "reaching" to fill a position. The Colts need "hungry" players and that's the first question that should be asked.."how hungry are you for a Championship and to play for the Colts?" ..if they cant look you in the eye and give the answer you need to hear then you don`t need a "fortune teller", there you go..strange assertion? hah

[Coffeedrinker]

Wow, Grigson is made of teflon around here. The guy could trade Luck tomorrow for a bag of skittles and you'd still have people in here defending him:

"In Grigson we trust "

The Costa signing was dumb to begin with. I'm glad we don't have to watch him get pushed into Luck and Richardson all year. Likely wasn't gonna be on our roster past this season anyways.

Now go actually address the interior this time, Grigson

I was thinking along those lines as well.  To me, this indicates a bigger problem with the Colts FO and Grigson... they do not do their homework on a player.  If, while interviewing a player, you don't get a hint that their heart is not in the game any more then the interview is worthless or the interviewee just chose to ignore the obvious signs.  Either way it does not speak well for Grigson and the FO.

[BrentMc11]

I was thinking along those lines as well.  To me, this indicates a bigger problem with the Colts FO and Grigson... they do not do their homework on a player.  If, while interviewing a player, you don't get a hint that their heart is not in the game any more then the interview is worthless or the interviewee just chose to ignore the obvious signs.  Either way it does not speak well for Grigson and the FO.

This group does more scouting than I have seen any team do.  Adongo?  McNary?  Muamba? Hickman?  etc.

 

Maybe they should spend more time interviewing 'well?'

 

I did not want Costa, but I flat out guarantee if I had interviewed him I would have known if he was ready to FIGHT for a job.  This is a knock on Grigs.

 

I will conduct my interviewing skills class at 6 PM Super Bowl Sunday if anyone is interested!!  

[ztboiler]

No...not you too Brent!  Don't take the bait...we don't know nearly enough of the whole story nor does it really matter, but to draw conclusions about "interviewing skills" or due diligence from outlier occurrences does not make sense.  This is particularly true when all the evidence points to Grigson being an important and savvy leader of the exec. team that makes decisions about player characteristics that make up one of the strongest locker rooms in the NFL.

[jameszeigler834]

I disagree with the bolded, very much. Getting rid of Satele and McGlynn is the very definition of addition by subtraction. We do have serious question marks, but we definitely don't look worse. Not even close. 

Top 20 O-lines not that good either I prefer top 10 or top 5 giving up 41 sacks two years ago is terrible and giving up 32 last season is an improvement but there were just as many hits on luck and if your Grigson you cant have that those hits need to drop a significant percentage this season and the sacks need to drop another 10-15.

[BrentMc11]

I disagree with the bolded, very much. Getting rid of Satele and McGlynn is the very definition of addition by subtraction. We do have serious question marks, but we definitely don't look worse. Not even close. 

I did not read what you said...then I said the same thing...Sorry.  Funny though

[Superman]

Top 20 O-lines not that good either I prefer top 10 or top 5 giving up 41 sacks two years ago is terrible and giving up 32 last season is an improvement but there were just as many hits on luck and if your Grigson you cant have that those hits need to drop a significant percentage this season and the sacks need to drop another 10-15.

 

I agree, we need our line to improve dramatically. But we still have to make smart decisions. Drafting Holmes and Thornton is -- hopefully -- the fix for the old Satele/McGlynn problem.

[Superman]

That's your opinion. No fortune teller believer here. The guy messed up and to Grigsons credit he handled it the way he should have, he cut him! Great job Grigson! There, is that a "positive vibration" for you? lol..As far as Costa goes, if you think its strange for a fan to question a GM to sign a player who retires only a month after, at a position you are already thin at, failed miserably at with the last player you signed at the position, yet continued to play that player when everything showed they sucked, then....well I don't know what to say.   People change their minds? C`mon man! That's more than annoying, in NFL terms that's called "reaching" to fill a position. The Colts need "hungry" players and that's the first question that should be asked.."how hungry are you for a Championship and to play for the Colts?" ..if they cant look you in the eye and give the answer you need to hear then you don`t need a "fortune teller", there you go..strange assertion? hah

 

I don't need or want anyone to lick Grigson's boots. I just think this is a silly criticism. 

 

To me, the real criticism is that there were better players -- IMO -- than Costa to begin with. And there still are. Not that he signed a player who later decided to walk away from a couple million because he doesn't want to play football anymore. Unless any of you who think Grigson should have somehow "known" something were in the room with Costa, this particular criticism rings hollow.

[Gavin]

I don't need or want anyone to lick Grigson's boots. I just think this is a silly criticism. 

 

To me, the real criticism is that there were better players -- IMO -- than Costa to begin with. And there still are. Not that he signed a player who later decided to walk away from a couple million because he doesn't want to play football anymore. Unless any of you who think Grigson should have somehow "known" something were in the room with Costa, this particular criticism rings hollow.

Also not to mention from Costas initial interview he sounded satisfied with knowing he had the chance to compete for the starting Center job, Sounds to me like he really wanted to play and be on the team originally....Though obviously what a person says especially in the pro sports field and what they do is usually 2 separate things....It seems...from an outsiders perspective something...or things changed after the signing at some point

[Superman]

I agree he made a couple of positive OL moves last year ... but at the same time instead of going ahead and just fixing the entire line last year (when OL FA talent was relatively cheap & plentiful) he chose to gamble(and lose) on McGlynn and Satele and try to draft their replacements. 

 

IMO he should have just "bit the bullet" and spent the money to fix the entire OL last year ... even if it was with some older vets on contracts that we could get out of in 1-2 years.  If he had done that he still could have drafted Thornton, Holmes, etc .... as their replacements/competition.  Instead we are gambling again; this time on a 2nd year center with no real experience/injury history, a 2nd year guy who showed flashes but was "nothing to write home about", a guy coming off IR ... and the quality of the depth behind those "unknowns" are even a bigger ?'s. 

 

IMO Grigson's plan for rebuilding the OL was flawed from the beginning and he did not seem to have a legitimate contingency plan in place in case his initial plan was to go awry ... and now it looks like he is doubling down on that original plan ... and again i do not see a legitimate contingency plan. I think he deserves much of the criticism he is getting, not necessarily for Costa's retirement, but for how he has handled the OL in general.  If the interior line is suspect again this season I for one will start questioning if Grigson is the right guy for the job.

 

The best way to build your team is through the draft. I think everyone would agree with that. While I think it would be great for us to have signed a couple high level free agents, I don't think it would have been smart. It would eventually cost us some of the skill players we've drafted and hope to retain in the next couple of seasons.

 

However, Grigson DID add good free agents at guard and right tackle. Thomas got hurt, but he played well. Cherilus played well. Grigson could have done better, but I don't think his strategy has been flawed. It has been reserved, and for good reason. He's added a couple of players that didn't work out, and unfortunately we continued to use those players instead of benching them. Those players are gone.

 

The next step is to let your young players prove themselves. I don't have a problem with the depth at interior line, aside from center now. (Even when we had Costa, who wasn't exciting in the least, he was at least someone with experience who had put together some really strong games as a pro.) Reitz is quality depth, Nixon was pretty good as a reserve, and they both can play three positions. What we get from Lance Louis is yet to be seen, but again, he's played well as a pro, and has versatility as well. There's still the draft, post-June 1 pickups, and then another two months before camp starts. The roster isn't finished yet.

 

I understand why people wanted us to go out and sign a notable center. I wanted it to. But the reason Grigson chose not to is clear, and it makes perfect sense. 

[Superman]

Also not to mention from Costas initial interview he sounded satisfied with knowing he had the chance to compete for the starting Center job, Sounds to me like he really wanted to play and be on the team originally....Though obviously what a person says especially in the pro sports field and what they do is usually 2 separate things....It seems...from an outsiders perspective something...or things changed after the signing at some point

 

That's obvious. Costa didn't get any money upfront. He didn't try to play the Colts. He didn't collect a workout bonus and then retire before training camp (like Quinn Pitcock). He signed with full knowledge that he'd have to report to camp and play for the Colts in order to get paid, and before he got paid ANYTHING, he decided he didn't want to play anymore. 

[MacDee1975]

Wrong. It's not about Costa it's about the lack of effort to improve the Offensive Line SO FAR that concerns a lot of people. If your Offensive Line is one of your major problems and you did virtually nothing to solve this problem and rely on a guy that only played a few snaps and another guy coming back after spending a whole season on IR that's a bit scary.

 

What am I "wrong" about?  Your bone to pick is with Ryan Grigson and has nothing to do with my response.  My comment pertained to people in this very thread acting like we now have some gaping hole on the OL directly due to Costa's retirment.  We don't.  We are no better or worse at OL as a result of this news.  What had been done (or what hasn't been done) to the OL prior to this Costa incident is a discussion for a different day and not anything I commented about.

 

I happen to agree with you, though.  Our OL sucked last year, and all Grigson has done so far is sign an average at best player who then retired inexplicably.  Absolutely unacceptable in year 3 of his regime.....especially when he was considered to be some sort of OL guru.

[csmopar]

Did anyone think that maybe Costa was told to retire for medical reasons by a doctor? Perhaps it is a health issue, hopefully not a life threatening one but to me the suddenness of this announcement screams medical issues. And maybe Costa doesn't want his medical issue if there is one to be made public.

[Superman]

Did anyone think that maybe Costa was told to retire for medical reasons by a doctor? Perhaps it is a health issue, hopefully not a life threatening one but to me the suddenness of this announcement screams medical issues. And maybe Costa doesn't want his medical issue if there is one to be made public.

 

No, no, no. Grigson should have been able to look through Costa's eyes and see into the depths of his soul, to make a determination about the depth of his character and motivations, to deduce that he would lose the will to play within the next 45 days. Anyone of us would have been able to do so.

 

/sarcasm

[csmopar]

Hahahaha

[MikeVander]

"So, where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

[Gavin]

No, no, no. Grigson should have been able to look through Costa's eyes and see into the depths of his soul, to make a determination about the depth of his character and motivations, to deduce that he would lose the will to play within the next 45 days. Anyone of us would have been able to do so.

 

/sarcasm

Not that I think that he retired because of a medical issue...I dont......But if it is medically related I would hope the Colts staff would have picked up on that prior to signing him....Unless its a medical issue that just came to light in the last few days...Again..I dont think it was medically related......I think he is going through some things outside of football that he wanted to devote his full attention to...What that is I dont know...But that is my uninformed guess...Though his retirement changes nothing...Im still hoping Holmes is ready to be that Center that Grigson thinks he can be

[NewColtsFan]

Not that I think that he retired because of a medical issue...I dont......But if it is medically related I would hope the Colts staff would have picked up on that prior to signing him....Unless its a medical issue that just came to light in the last few days...Again..I dont think it was medically related......I think he is going through some things outside of football that he wanted to devote his full attention to...What that is I dont know...But that is my uninformed guess...Though his retirement changes nothing...Im still hoping Holmes is ready to be that Center that Grigson thinks he can be

 

Stories in the Dallas paper quote Costa saying his body can't stand the grind anymore.

 

I suspect that after signing with the Colts,  he started working out to get in shape and his body was having a very, very, very difficult time.    At some point it must've been bad.    The man is walking away from a 7-figure contract.

 

I think that tells you how bad his body was reacting to trying to get into football shape.

 

I don't know if the Colts give a full physical to all the players they signed.   And if they do, I don't know if a physical would spot warning signs that were specific to Costa.

[Superman]

Not that I think that he retired because of a medical issue...I dont......But if it is medically related I would hope the Colts staff would have picked up on that prior to signing him....Unless its a medical issue that just came to light in the last few days...Again..I dont think it was medically related......I think he is going through some things outside of football that he wanted to devote his full attention to...What that is I dont know...But that is my uninformed guess...Though his retirement changes nothing...Im still hoping Holmes is ready to be that Center that Grigson thinks he can be

 

Who really knows? 

 

I just think it's rich that people think Grigson should have been able to deduce that Costa was going to retire in a month.