Upgrade the Secondary

[BProland85]

In my opinion, this is where we need to focus on. We need another starter at safety, and probably another starter at CB as well since Toler cant be relied upon to stay healthy. With that said, here are some guys who Id like the Colts to target, and they seem to be at least meeting with some of these players...

 

CB Kyle Fuller(2)

SS Deone Bucannon(2)

FS Jimmie Ward(2)

CB Phillip Gaines(3-4)

FS Dion Bailey(3-4)

CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste(3-4)

FS Kenny Ladler(4-5)

 

[CR91]

ward and fuller will not fall to us. I myself want bucannon

[Jeff Lucker]

Trade for Jimmie Ward is the better option since he will not fall to 59.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I love Ward, and Buchannon is just n awful fit for us.

[akcolt]

How is Bucannon an awful fit for anyone? Bucannon is the guy we need can play both S spots. Did anyone watch WSU play this year or see what he did at the combine?

 

He was the fastest SS the strongest put up 225 like 19x he had the highest vertical and broad jump and the fastest 3 cone time. He had 6 int's this year hits like a truck. I would be surprised if he is still there at 59.

 

Lamarcus Joyner might slip because of his size would run to the podium to get him. Some other guys: Dontae Johnson is a CB/S I would  love to have him played 7 games at FS last year the rest at CB. Exum is going to somewhere between 59-120 too. Same deal can play all over the back end probably best on the outside as press corner. The list goes on and on. I'd love Ladler in the 5th but waiting on him would be a real chance to slide that far.

 

And all the guys you mentioned not to high on Bailey and think Fuller and Ward will be gone. It would not surprise me if Bucannon is the 3rd S off the board.

 

I totally agree that there is so much talent on the back end of this draft we could shore up the back end of our D very easily for the next 5 yrs.

 

It will depend on what Grigs does with the O Line I got a feeling he likes that Turner kid. We need to add a pick or 2 in the 3rd/4th.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

How is Bucannon an awful fit for anyone? Bucannon is the guy we need can play both S spots. Did anyone watch WSU play this year or see what he did at the combine?

 

He was the fastest SS the strongest put up 225 like 19x he had the highest vertical and broad jump and the fastest 3 cone time. He had 6 int's this year hits like a truck. I would be surprised if he is still there at 59.

 

Lamarcus Joyner might slip because of his size would run to the podium to get him. Some other guys: Dontae Johnson is a CB/S I would  love to have him played 7 games at FS last year the rest at CB. Exum is going to somewhere between 59-120 too. Same deal can play all over the back end probably best on the outside as press corner. The list goes on and on. I'd love Ladler in the 5th but waiting on him would be a real chance to slide that far.

 

And all the guys you mentioned not to high on Bailey and think Fuller and Ward will be gone. It would not surprise me if Bucannon is the 3rd S off the board.

 

I totally agree that there is so much talent on the back end of this draft we could shore up the back end of our D very easily for the next 5 yrs.

 

It will depend on what Grigs does with the O Line I got a feeling he likes that Turner kid. We need to add a pick or 2 in the 3rd/4th.

Buch doesn't fill our FS need. He'd be just another landry who is a hard hitter and very "fast" yet gets lost in coverage and can't man/zone cover efficiently. His combine stats mean Jack when you look at his play on the field imo.

[NewColtsFan]

I love Ward, and Buchannon is just n awful fit for us.

 

I suspect the GM, scouts and coaches disagree....    they sent their coaches to Washington State to workout Buchannon and they've brought Buchannon to Indy for a personal meeting.     Sounds like they're interested.

[NewColtsFan]

Trade for Jimmie Ward is the better option since he will not fall to 59.

 

And what are we trading to get Ward?

[Dustin]

Buch doesn't fill our FS need. He'd be just another landry who is a hard hitter and very "fast" yet gets lost in coverage and can't man/zone cover efficiently. His combine stats mean Jack when you look at his play on the field imo.

We don't have a FS need. Landry is our FS.

[HtownColt]

Landry is the FS mainly because he can't cover anybody in the slot, he plays so far off of them and just tries to seperate man from ball after he allows the completion while Bethea actually was more in their face.

Really we need a safety who can cover slot receivers and support the run rather that a ball hawking center fielder type safety.

Because Landry has the range to play FS, he just needs to stop lunging at ball carriers and actually break down and just make the simple tackle.

[Dustin]

Landry is the FS mainly because he can't cover anybody in the slot, he plays so far off of them and just tries to seperate man from ball after he allows the completion while Bethea actually was more in their face.

Really we need a safety who can cover slot receivers and support the run rather that a ball hawking center fielder type safety.

Because Landry has the range to play FS, he just needs to stop lunging at ball carriers and actually break down and just make the simple tackle.

Two words :

Dontae Johnson.

[akcolt]

Buch doesn't fill our FS need. He'd be just another landry who is a hard hitter and very "fast" yet gets lost in coverage and can't man/zone cover efficiently. His combine stats mean Jack when you look at his play on the field imo.

combine stats can be misleading sometimes  I agree but I don't think you have watched the kid play or you would realize he is quit capable in coverage hopefully you will get to learn that first hand. He had 7 picks this year. Have you ever watched a Washington St football game? Did you even know that is who he played for?

[coltnorth]

     If the colts do draft a safety, one the biggest things will be his tackling ability. I know people want a true center fielder type FS but so far that's not the system they want to play. They  want two safeties who can be interchangeable. Last year they were both very physical hard hitting guys. Buccanon would fit that mould very well. Bailey would be pretty good as well with linebacker background although he isn't a huge hiitter but has great coverage abilities. Loston would be great around the box and can drop into a zone but isn't great at man coverage. Joyner is a great tackler and playmaker but might get washed out in the box due to size limitations and will get eaten up by tall tight ends

[Manning1887]

Antone Exum from Virginia Tech would make a great free safety

[akcolt]

Two words :

Dontae Johnson.

I am with you have been talking Dontae Johnson up for a minute. I watched a lot of NC State this yr they were a virtual lock for under on the road think 4-1 games under the spread. He can play FS and CB that would be a great get for the Colts

[akcolt]

Where have you guys been I have been pushing Exum too. He is a lot like Johnson can play FS or CB played mostly CB this year and looked good. He has a history of injury that is a little troublesome but love Exum.

 

We need to pick up another 3rd and a 4th rounder some how. This draft could set up the back end of our defense for the foreseeable future. My gut tells me one of the first 2 picks is going to O Line maybe even 59. We really could use another 3rd or a 4th or ideally both.There are going to be a lot of pieces we could use go between our pick in the 3rd and the 5th. I would be surprised  if Ladler even hung around that long.

[OffensivelyPC]

We don't have a FS need. Landry is our FS.

What makes you say that?

[HtownColt]

I do like Brock Vereen out of Minnesota

[Dustin]

What makes you say that?

It's the role he played last season and that's what he's listed on the depth chart as. As Htown said above, our SS needs to be good in man coverage, which Landry is not (he's not really good in zone either lol)

[akcolt]

     If the colts do draft a safety, one the biggest things will be his tackling ability. I know people want a true center fielder type FS but so far that's not the system they want to play. They  want two safeties who can be interchangeable. Last year they were both very physical hard hitting guys. Buccanon would fit that mould very well. Bailey would be pretty good as well with linebacker background although he isn't a huge hiitter but has great coverage abilities. Loston would be great around the box and can drop into a zone but isn't great at man coverage. Joyner is a great tackler and playmaker but might get washed out in the box due to size limitations and will get eaten up by tall tight ends

I agree with everything you say Bucannon is going to be a stud for someone. To say he lacks coverage skills is just incorrect. I watched a lot of WSU this yr with Leach they are a fun team and in Alaska we get a lot of PAC 10 or 12 whatever they are up to.

 

I think Joyner is one of those special players that just makes plays size won't matter except hopefully drop him down in the draft. I could be wrong but that is my gut on him. HE is the only DB I would have anything to do with on FSU

[OffensivelyPC]

It's the role he played last season and that's what he's listed on the depth chart as. As Htown said above, our SS needs to be good in man coverage, which Landry is not (he's not really good in zone either lol)

If he's going to play free safety, then I'd rather draft another FS/SS who's good in man and have them share FS and SS duties, because Landry is the kinda guy who plays the ball very well.  Doesn't always take the best angles in zone, but he is a playmaker so long as he's healthy.  I would resist defining Landry as a full time FS and draft someone who is limited to a SS role.  Jimmie Ward would fill that role nicely, Ed Reynolds or Deonne Bucannon would be decent as well, though Buchannon to a lesser extent since I think he'd be a bit more of a project if we were going to play him at FS some.  Not likely worth a 3rd and probably won't be available in the 5th.  Perhaps Howell would see some minutes as well in a rotation of sorts where Howell comes in for situational purposes.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

We don't have a FS need. Landry is our FS.

He sure doesn't Play like a real coverage FS. Can't win a chip with someone like him Manning that spot. He should be a SS and We should run a system where there is a distinction..

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

combine stats can be misleading sometimes I agree but I don't think you have watched the kid play or you would realize he is quit capable in coverage hopefully you will get to learn that first hand. He had 7 picks this year. Have you ever watched a Washington St football game? Did you even know that is who he played for?

Yes I did know these things. I don't see him being good enough in Coverage for our needs.

[akcolt]

thought about glasses? Could help

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

thought about glasses? Could help

For what/who?

[Combsey]

I think brooks would fill that need not only is he a true FS he use to play corner and he comes from a system that plays a lot of press man. He can also cover the slot. Some say his tackling leaves something to be desired but better tackling techniques can be coached and taught.

[Luck_Is_Skilled]

Bottom line, our first 2 picks should be spent on a Safety and a corner who is worthy of being an NFL starter. After that we can draft all the o-line or pass rushers you want.

Bottom line, our first 2 picks should be spent on a Safety and a Corner who are worthy of being an NFL starters. After that we can draft all the o-line or pass rushers you want.

[akcolt]

I would rather someone who already knows how to tackle that is kind of important and can catch the ball. Interceptions are game changing plays you can't leave them on the field. I know I am in the minority but I am not a Brooks fan. I'd prefer someone bigger and stronger. The concussion kind of worries me too. He is fast

[Defjamz26]

Personally I think it has to come down to Joyner or Bucannon. I was watching NFL Network's Mock draft show and Bucky brooks had us going with Joyner in the second. We need to stop looking at Landry as an answer at SS, he can't tackle. Bucannon is an extremely good tackler who can also deliver a big hit to receivers. Joyner is just a play make despite him size and he can play slot corner as well.

 

I think the best strategy is to draft Joyner or Buccannon in the 2nd, and as a backup draft Brock Vereen in the 5th as a developmental guy to compete with Howell once we finally let go of Landry in another season or so.

 

 

As for corner, I would look at Bashaud Breeland in the 3rd if he's there. However, I think if he's there Grigson would take a shot on Marcus Roberson because he's a falling prospect. But I like SJB and Breeland.

[HtownColt]

Personally I think it has to come down to Joyner or Bucannon. I was watching NFL Network's Mock draft show and Bucky brooks had us going with Joyner in the second. We need to stop looking at Landry as an answer at SS, he can't tackle. Bucannon is an extremely good tackler who can also deliver a big hit to receivers. Joyner is just a play make despite him size and he can play slot corner as well.

I think the best strategy is to draft Joyner or Buccannon in the 2nd, and as a backup draft Brock Vereen in the 5th as a developmental guy to compete with Howell once we finally let go of Landry in another season or so.

As for corner, I would look at Bashaud Breeland in the 3rd if he's there. However, I think if he's there Grigson would take a shot on Marcus Roberson because he's a falling prospect. But I like SJB and Breeland.

Breeland in the 2nd you mean because that's most likely where he is going, could even be gone before we pick in the second.

He's been my first choice in the 2nd for a long time now

[Jason_]

Bottom line, our first 2 picks should be spent on a Safety and a Corner who are worthy of being an NFL starters. After that we can draft all the o-line or pass rushers you want.

Bottom line...no. we don't need to draft any specific position in any specific round. That kind of thinking leads to reaching.

We also don't need a cb that can start from day one because the only way a rookie starts year one is if both Toler and butler go down with injuries. Even then there's no guarantee that the rookie starts over Gordy.

Now I'm not at all against breeland or watkins in round two or McGill, sjb or Reynolds in round three if they are the BPA at that point, but we don't NEED a cb that can start from day one because odds are incredibly small that he'd get the chance to.

[krunk]

I like Bucannon but we would definitely have to coach him up on the open field tackling.  I think his cover skills are fine

[Defjamz26]

Breeland in the 2nd you mean because that's most likely where he is going, could even be gone before we pick in the second.

He's been my first choice in the 2nd for a long time now

 

It really depends on when the CB run starts. We know Dennard and Gilbert are going In the first, but what if Roby, Verrett, and Fuller start to slip to the 2nd round, then things could be interesting. But like I said, I could see Roberson being a more reasonable selection because Grigs loves a falling prospect and he could be BPA at that point if some of the premier pass rushers are gone.

[Colts_Fan12]

Bottom line...no. we don't need to draft any specific position in any specific round. That kind of thinking leads to reaching.

We also don't need a cb that can start from day one because the only way a rookie starts year one is if both Toler and butler go down with injuries. Even then there's no guarantee that the rookie starts over Gordy.

Now I'm not at all against breeland or watkins in round two or McGill, sjb or Reynolds in round three if they are the BPA at that point, but we don't NEED a cb that can start from day one because odds are incredibly small that he'd get the chance to.

Waiting for Toler to get injured wont take long at all hope Gordy gets better he was looking good at the end IMO

[markabrown96]

We have never drafted a CB yet in the Grigson era

[BOTT]

We have never drafted a CB yet in the Grigson era

That era has consisted of two whole drafts

[Archer]

Buch doesn't fill our FS need. He'd be just another landry who is a hard hitter and very "fast" yet gets lost in coverage and can't man/zone cover efficiently. His combine stats mean Jack when you look at his play on the field imo.

 

i agree.  Coverage is not Mr. Bucannon's strong suit.  And we need someone who can cover at FS...