Irsay Not Happy with Team's Performance....

[jmac_48]

I find this quite ironic coming from the same owner who endorsed his GM in ordering his team to lay down when a perfect season was a real possibility!

 

Now THAT was a great embarrassment to the franchise!

That was in the regular season, not some poor performance in the first preseason game.

 

Yeah, it was a very poor performance, but...

C'MON JIM!

My how things have changed in Camelot.

 

Just Saying, have some perspective.

[amfootball]

So you answer my questions to you, not by answering any of them, but by asking questions in return.  Classic sign of somebody that has no answers or rebuttal to a ridiculous statement they made earlier.  

 

Your statements in the bold are nothing but personal jabs at Mr. Irsay.  I think time and time again Irsay has shown himself to be smart and savvy, and I've never questioned whether he's had too many (or any for that matter) to drink while saying anything.  But then again I'm not a fan of another team trying to stir the pot.  I really don't understand why people get so bent out of shape with his tweeting.  Seriously, get a life already.

 

This team does have a harder schedule than last season, and I fully expect it to show on our record.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that way, as many have pointed out before.  But I also expect this team to be competitive, and I think that is what Irsay expects too.  I didn't really see any of that Sunday, I didn't see any fire from those third stringers you mentioned trying to make this roster.  Once again, to me, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, and taking shots at a person when you think you've been given an opportunity

Wh would I answer a question that was insulting? Anywho, the perception of Irsay is one he created, it is not my own. I posted the links. I am not sure what happened to him but he has been a different guy since he moved on from Polian and Manning. Not sure if he is feeling the pressure of it all but he is much more vocal and has an obesession with Twitter.

 

In terms of the Colts season, I think the team will be just fine. I think Luck will show improvment from last year and cut down on the TOs, Not sure yet about the D though. Schedule is tougher but I would be surprised if the Colts are not there at the end either fighting for the division or the wild card. And this is why I don't understand Irsay's tweet. The Colts were 11-5 last year. Showed tremdendous fight and grit all season winning so many games with 4th quarter comebacks after losing their HC. Made some great moves this off-season. Why berate after them after the first preseason game? Most fans know preseason is for trying things out and getting in sync hence why they are preseason games. I think he stoked the fires of the fanbase unnecessarily.

[MR. Blueblood]

Wh would I answer a question that was insulting? Anywho, the perception of Irsay is one he created, it is not my own. I posted the links. I am not sure what happened to him but he has been a different guy since he moved on from Polian and Manning. Not sure if he is feeling the pressure of it all but he is much more vocal and has an obesession with Twitter.

 

In terms of the Colts season, I think the team will be just fine. I think Luck will show improvment from last year and cut down on the TOs, Not sure yet about the D though. Schedule is tougher but I would be surprised if the Colts are not there at the end either fighting for the division or the wild card. And this is why I don't understand Irsay's tweet. The Colts were 11-5 last year. Showed tremdendous fight and grit all season winning so many games with 4th quarter comebacks after losing their HC. Made some great moves this off-season. Why berate after them after the first preseason game? Most fans know preseason is for trying things out and getting in sync hence why they are preseason games. I think he stoked the fires of the fanbase unnecessarily.

How can you say that he berated them?  Were you present during the convo that took place?  Was the anything in his tweet that said he chewed their behinds out?  Once again you are taking something that you've read, chose to interpret it in a way that you seem fit to, and trying to preach it as gospel.  I guess technically, you can say the same about me.  I just don't see that he was way out of line with this, I don't see that he started a fire he's going to be unable to put out, and I don't see him as mentally destroying this team;s, the coaches', or the GM's confidence.  As far as Irsay on twitter, that has been a long running thing with him, ever since twitter got going.  It's nothing new and I haven't noticed any escalation once the BP & PM days were over. 

[Gramz]

In regard to the OP

 

Irsay Not Happy with Team's Performance....

 

Who was...???

[amfootball]

How can you say that he berated them?  Were you present during the convo that took place?  Was the anything in his tweet that said he chewed their behinds out?  Once again you are taking something that you've read, chose to interpret it in a way that you seem fit to, and trying to preach it as gospel.  I guess technically, you can say the same about me.  I just don't see that he was way out of line with this, I don't see that he started a fire he's going to be unable to put out, and I don't see him as mentally destroying this team;s, the coaches', or the GM's confidence.  As far as Irsay on twitter, that has been a long running thing with him, ever since twitter got going.  It's nothing new and I haven't noticed any escalation once the BP & PM days were over. 

Going on twitter is berating them IMO. I think his twitter penchant has gotten worse. He never did anything like this when Polian and Manning were there and their preseason record was not good and many games were not close.

[House]

I hate getting on these boards and reading inane topics like how Irsay's tweeting is destroying the very moral fabric of all mankind. While simultaneously ripping a hole in the space time continuum.

[amfootball]

I hate getting on these boards and reading inane topics like how Irsay's tweeting is destroying the very moral fabric of all mankind. While simultaneously ripping a hole in the space time continuum.

They why come on them?

[House]

They why come on them?

Don Quixote.

[amfootball]

Don Quixote.

????

[House]

????

If you don't get it, don't worry about it lol.

[Nadine]

I hate getting on these boards and reading inane topics like how Irsay's tweeting is destroying the very moral fabric of all mankind. While simultaneously ripping a hole in the space time continuum.

 

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[jvan1973]

I find this quite ironic coming from the same owner who endorsed his GM in ordering his team to lay down when a perfect season was a real possibility!

Now THAT was a great embarrassment to the franchise!

That was in the regular season, not some poor performance in the first preseason game.

Yeah, it was a very poor performance, but...

C'MON JIM!

My how things have changed in Camelot.

Just Saying, have some perspective.

that is a great point

[hoosierhawk]

In regard to the OP

 

Irsay Not Happy with Team's Performance....

 

Who was...???

Mr. Ursay is in the entertainment business. He spent a ton of money on the new performers for his show. Sunday was opening performance or a preview and shortly after intermission half the patrons got up and left do to a terrible performance.

I appreciate the fact that the owner acknowledged the poor performance. People came to see the new cast and were treated to very little entertainment with the new cast of players and the starters and even their backups performing only briefly.

You could have shot a cannon into the stands almost anywhere and not hardly hit anyone midway into the third quarter. People that paid good money to see some entertainment were * and left and rightfully so. I thought it was one of the worst performances the Colts have displayed in a long ,long time.

I am glad Irsay went on notice assuring fans that this was not an acceptable performance and we as fans deserve better. I hope the coaches will do a better of preparing the players and come up with a better and more entertaining game plan. If not, Mr. Irsay has now gone on record stating that this type of performance is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. I hope everyone feels a little heat. Hopefully the last year's success and the preseason hype hasn't gotten into their heads.

[amfootball]

Mr. Ursay is in the entertainment business. He spent a ton of money on the new performers for his show. Sunday was opening performance or a preview and shortly after intermission half the patrons got up and left do to a terrible performance.

I appreciate the fact that the owner acknowledged the poor performance. People came to see the new cast and were treated to very little entertainment with the new cast of players and the starters and even their backups performing only briefly.

You could have shot a cannon into the stands almost anywhere and not hardly hit anyone midway into the third quarter. People that paid good money to see some entertainment were ticked and left and rightfully so. I thought it was one of the worst performances the Colts have displayed in a long ,long time.

I am glad Irsay went on notice assuring fans that this was not an acceptable performance and we as fans deserve better. I hope the coaches will do a better of preparing the players and come up with a better and more entertaining game plan. If not, Mr. Irsay has now gone on record stating that this type of performance is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. I hope everyone feels a little heat. Hopefully the last year's success and the preseason hype hasn't gotten into their heads.

Colts fans sure do have unbelievable expectations for the first preseason game. You know one of the reasons the NFL wants to go to 18 game season is to get rid of two presason games because the entire league recognizes it is a money grab by the owners as they charge the same price as regular season with the starters barely playing.

[shakedownstreet]

i can't believe people care so much about this 

[BOTT]

He's precisely acting like a spoiled rich owner throwing a hissy fit.

Keep trying to make a moutain out of a molehill. Maybe it was immature, bit it's not like he made up a story about Vladimir Putin stealing his SB ring or anything amazingly stupid like that.

[ViriLudant]

Please, I suppose he should just be like your hooded wonder over there in NE, and storm off the field, no handshakes and no comment the press, if he can even be bothered to stand in front of the media when something doesn't go his way.  Talk about throwing a hissy fit.

When did Belichick not shake hands again? Are you referring to the SB, when he and Coughlin in fact had an agreement to meet afterwards? Or some other time?

I also like how you somehow think that comparing an owner to a coach is the same thing. Of course, it only works when you can't actually defend the actions of your owner. If you want to make an accurate comparison, try comparing Irsay to Kraft, please.

[Jason_]

Only the funniest thing JJ has ever done. You need to google that one.

 

Is there something else I could google to try to find that story...I'm a little afraid of what I might find if I simply google "glory hole debacle".  I'm not sure my browser's "safe search" filter can save that one lol 

 

 

 

I didn't think there was an unusual tone. I thought the message was more direct, but the tone was usual Irsay speak, I thought.

 

And I think it's good to keep in mind that this is a young front office and head coach that we have now. Grigson is a young GM with only a year and a half of experience. Pagano is a new head coach. I think Irsay's a little more involved than he was when it was Polian and Dungy. Not in a meddling way, not telling them how to do their jobs or overruling them or undermining them. He's not calling down to the sideline in the middle of the game like Al Davis or Jerry Jones. But I do think he's a little more visible and vocal, and I think there's a reason for that. I think most of us are seeing what's going on here, even if it's from a different vantage point sometimes.

 

But whenever you find yourself agreeing with amfootballl, you know you need to readjust. ;)

 

 

Yeah, that simple fact had me rethinking my entire stance. lol  I still think the tweet was poorly worded but it's not the big deal many are making it out to be, and that includes me at the beginning of this discussion.  

 

 

 

I'm gonna diagram it and post it later, so we all can take a closer look at it. I think it's a good topic for some football-head discussion. But I'm 99% sure that the second play went away from Mathis.

 

And as for Polian's comments, you have to remember that it's a much different story to set the edge as an end in a four man front than it is to set the edge as an outside backer in a three man front. 

 

Still, yesterday, it wasn't an issue of ability, it was an issue of discipline. It's not like Mathis got blown back off the snap, or was overmatched somehow. The first play, he tries to go inside of his blocker, which was stupid and made no sense. The second play, if I remember correctly, he should have contained on the back end, but instead went pursuing the ball and got cut down by the fullback. On neither play did he even attempt to set the edge. 

 

Get worried when you see Mathis at least trying to play disciplined linebacker and failing. I'm not worried when I see him freelancing and failing, because that's a discipline issue that can be corrected.

 

If you can find a good camera angle of that second play that'd be great, but as I said, as best I could tell it was toward Mathis.  Mathis lined up on the left side of the defensive formation for most, if not all of that first drive and both of the first 2 runs were to the left.  And the guy that got pancaked by Buffalo's #38 looked like he was wearing a #98.  Then in the background, on the other side of the formation, I saw the other OLB that I was pretty sure was Walden, and after advancing a few frames I was able to see Walden's hair, confirming my original thought.  I do agree that the first play was poor technique.  The second play, well due to the camera angle was nearly impossible to tell anything other than he, or whoever went up against Buffalo's #38, got knocked flat on his back.

 

I also do understand there's a difference in setting the edge as a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB.  I only brought up Polian's comments because he made them when referring to how he thought Freeney and Mathis would perform in the 3-4, so he made the comments taking into consideration they would be playing OLB now instead of DE.  I still take most of what Polian says with a grain of salt, but in this regard it's kind of hard to argue because a decade's worth of on the field performance pretty much backs up his comments on this.  And as I said, I thought the most telling part of his comment was that he said they were not good at it.  A lot of people over the years have said things like, "well it's not that they're not good at it, it's just not what they're asked to do" and Polian very easily could have said that without taking anything away from them.  But, instead he very specifically said they weren't good at it and I've yet to see anything that says that he's wrong.  Again though, I hope against hope that he is and that Mathis can learn the technique and discipline required but if not then I'm perfectly happy with seeing him relegated to the role of pass rush specialist and let Werner or Sidbury rotate the rest of the time.

 

what I dont get is why harnish played almost 3 quarters

 

Because he's the least experienced, needs the most in-game experience and is also the least likely to get that in-game experience once the regular season starts.

[JoKeR]

what I dont get is why harnish played almost 3 quarters

Why not, the point of preseason is to figure out who's worth keeping. They must not be 100% about keeping a 3rd QB or 100% if Harnish is worth the roster spot.

[JoKeR]

Irsay as lord of the galaxy?

[GoColts8818]

When did Belichick not shake hands again? Are you referring to the SB, when he and Coughlin in fact had an agreement to meet afterwards? Or some other time?

I also like how you somehow think that comparing an owner to a coach is the same thing. Of course, it only works when you can't actually defend the actions of your owner. If you want to make an accurate comparison, try comparing Irsay to Kraft, please.

Defend the actions of our owner? He sent a tweet. That action alone is harmless, it's not like he committed some crime here that needs defending. As for what it said, it just pretty much said he wasn't happy with the performance Sunday, and what Colts fan was? Then he went on to say he talked to I am guessing Grigson and Pagano about it. Anything beyond that is reading into it, which a lot of people have spent time doing. Frankly, it's something I think most owners do if they weren't happy about something he just elected to be more open about it. What's the difference between that and how Kraft made sure the world knew that Welker turned down more money to stay with the Pats and he was disappointed by that? They just used different media to express their disappointments.

As for your coach Coughlin went to mid field after the game looking for BBs hand to shake. It was poor sportsman ship on BB's part, With that said it wasn't some major crime against the world either. I agree Colts fans try to make it a bigger deal than it was at times but at the same time you are kinda doing that with our owner and his tweet.

[GoColts8818]

Irsay as lord of the galaxy?

nah that guy doesn't say umm enough to be Irsay...

[Kyle]

Don Quixote.

 

 

????

 

 

If you don't get it, don't worry about it lol.

 

 House is out to revive chivalry to the Colts forum.

[Kyle]

Mr. Ursay....

 

This is where i stopped reading your post.  ;)

[Superman]

 

If you can find a good camera angle of that second play that'd be great, but as I said, as best I could tell it was toward Mathis.  Mathis lined up on the left side of the defensive formation for most, if not all of that first drive and both of the first 2 runs were to the left.  And the guy that got pancaked by Buffalo's #38 looked like he was wearing a #98.  Then in the background, on the other side of the formation, I saw the other OLB that I was pretty sure was Walden, and after advancing a few frames I was able to see Walden's hair, confirming my original thought.  I do agree that the first play was poor technique.  The second play, well due to the camera angle was nearly impossible to tell anything other than he, or whoever went up against Buffalo's #38, got knocked flat on his back.

 

I also do understand there's a difference in setting the edge as a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB.  I only brought up Polian's comments because he made them when referring to how he thought Freeney and Mathis would perform in the 3-4, so he made the comments taking into consideration they would be playing OLB now instead of DE.  I still take most of what Polian says with a grain of salt, but in this regard it's kind of hard to argue because a decade's worth of on the field performance pretty much backs up his comments on this.  And as I said, I thought the most telling part of his comment was that he said they were not good at it.  A lot of people over the years have said things like, "well it's not that they're not good at it, it's just not what they're asked to do" and Polian very easily could have said that without taking anything away from them.  But, instead he very specifically said they weren't good at it and I've yet to see anything that says that he's wrong.  Again though, I hope against hope that he is and that Mathis can learn the technique and discipline required but if not then I'm perfectly happy with seeing him relegated to the role of pass rush specialist and let Werner or Sidbury rotate the rest of the time.

 

http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/19629-analyzing-mathis-run-defense-against-the-bills/

 

Let me know what you think. I just don't think it's an issue of ability.

 

Fair point on Polian. I think I remember him saying that at some point before last season, right? But still, it's not really a matter of whether a guy can do it or not. It's about whether he sticks to his assignment. It's really simple, for the most part.

[Restored]

I really hope people aren't trying to interpret "tone" over the Internet. It's virtually impossible to gauge correctly unless someone is typing in all caps, which in case generally implies yelling or screaming. Otherwise it's extremely difficult to figure out.

My interpretation of Irsay's tweet is that he is disappointed with the showing as there were a lot of fans in attendance for a pre-season game and he understands they are capable of playing better.

[coltsfanatic24]

Irsay was right about what he said but wrong putting it on Twitter. He basically criticized Grigson and Pagano in front for everyone to see. It's only a preseason game and we were without Landry,Freeman, and Werner on defense... Should have kept it in house.

[bayone]

Who said anything about flying off the handle?

 

He said he gave the "commanders" an earful. Probably means he went and talked to Grigson and Pagano and told them that it needs to be better.

 

it was straight to the point , i feel a welker like thread coming after seeing  the responce u quoted a reply to, hope not

[coltsfanmilyman]

Going on twitter is berating them IMO. I think his twitter penchant has gotten worse. He never did anything like this when Polian and Manning were there and their preseason record was not good and many games were not close.

I guess for me I don't see it as berating.  I think Irsay is a fan first.  Twitter is where he can be a fan of the colts.  When he's Mr. Irsay down on 56th street, its a different story, he's all business.  He was on twitter towards the end of Polian and Mannings career.  Twitter just really hadn't become as big as it is now.  When he referred to Pagano and Grigson as commanders, that was just Irsay being eccentric. 

 

Since your a Pats fan and you have Kraft as your owner, its a whole different ball of wax.

 

Mr. Ursay is in the entertainment business. He spent a ton of money on the new performers for his show. Sunday was opening performance or a preview and shortly after intermission half the patrons got up and left do to a terrible performance.

I appreciate the fact that the owner acknowledged the poor performance. People came to see the new cast and were treated to very little entertainment with the new cast of players and the starters and even their backups performing only briefly.

You could have shot a cannon into the stands almost anywhere and not hardly hit anyone midway into the third quarter. People that paid good money to see some entertainment were ticked and left and rightfully so. I thought it was one of the worst performances the Colts have displayed in a long ,long time.

I am glad Irsay went on notice assuring fans that this was not an acceptable performance and we as fans deserve better. I hope the coaches will do a better of preparing the players and come up with a better and more entertaining game plan. If not, Mr. Irsay has now gone on record stating that this type of performance is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. I hope everyone feels a little heat. Hopefully the last year's success and the preseason hype hasn't gotten into their heads.

Really?  Mr. Ursay?  Anyways yes its entertainment and people do pay their hard earned money to be entertained.  Its also your fault if you choose to go to the very first pre-season (or any really for that matter.)  Did it suck watching the colts lose?  Of course but take it for what it is.  A preseason game.

[bayone]

Irsay was right about what he said but wrong putting it on Twitter. He basically criticized Grigson and Pagano in front for everyone to see. It's only a preseason game and we were without Landry,Freeman, and Werner on defense... Should have kept it in house.

 

leave dirty laundry private 

[Jason_]

http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/19629-analyzing-mathis-run-defense-against-the-bills/

 

Let me know what you think. I just don't think it's an issue of ability.

 

Fair point on Polian. I think I remember him saying that at some point before last season, right? But still, it's not really a matter of whether a guy can do it or not. It's about whether he sticks to his assignment. It's really simple, for the most part.

 

Yeah I saw the thread and briefly read through it but will take a much closer look when I get a chance.  As for Polian, yeah it was prior to the start of last season he was talking about how the majority of the defensive players were brought in specifically for a 4-3 cover-2 style defense and how he didn't think many of them would transition well to the 3-4.  

[NewColtsFan]

In regard to the OP

 

Irsay Not Happy with Team's Performance....

 

Who was...???

 

 

Well...    ummmm.....     ahhhhh......      yeah.      I get your point.....

 

The difference is none of us are the owner....

 

Irsay is.      His opinion -- especially voiced publicly -- carries a little more weight.....

 

Just sayin.....

 

 

XOXO

[Buck Showalter]

The ringer can not look empty...

[JoKeR]

[RomanianColtsFan]

To be honest I don't take Irsay's tweet seriously and I don't believe he was literally in Grigson or coaches' ears like he said. That tweet was more like when you talk to one of your children that is upset and crying because one of his/her siblings did something to him. You sometimes tell that crying child that you spanked the other child even though you didn't.

[BOTT]

Gave the commanders an earful = Making Pagano listen to Jimbo play guitar and sing some Dead tunes.

[GoColts8818]

Irsay was right about what he said but wrong putting it on Twitter. He basically criticized Grigson and Pagano in front for everyone to see. It's only a preseason game and we were without Landry,Freeman, and Werner on defense... Should have kept it in house.

See I don't think he really criticized Grigson and Pagano.  He pretty much said the team played poorly which they did, I don't think anyone is going to argue that rather it be the third stringers or not those guys did not play well.  I am sure Grigson and Pagano would agree with that and when Irsay said he gave them an earful he didn't say they were doing something wrong, he just pretty much said the team didn't play well.  Like I said earlier I don't think Irsay said anything to them that they didn't already know and I am also sure Irsay is confident in Grigson and Pagano's ability to get a better effort out of them.  So I think he was more displeased with the how the team played Sunday than he was with Grigson and Pagano.  Again, people, myself included, are reading a lot into this tweet. 

[ViriLudant]

Defend the actions of our owner? He sent a tweet. That action alone is harmless, it's not like he committed some crime here that needs defending. As for what it said, it just pretty much said he wasn't happy with the performance Sunday, and what Colts fan was? Then he went on to say he talked to I am guessing Grigson and Pagano about it. Anything beyond that is reading into it, which a lot of people have spent time doing. Frankly, it's something I think most owners do if they weren't happy about something he just elected to be more open about it. What's the difference between that and how Kraft made sure the world knew that Welker turned down more money to stay with the Pats and he was disappointed by that? They just used different media to express their disappointments.

As for your coach Coughlin went to mid field after the game looking for BBs hand to shake. It was poor sportsman ship on BB's part, With that said it wasn't some major crime against the world either. I agree Colts fans try to make it a bigger deal than it was at times but at the same time you are kinda doing that with our owner and his tweet.

Just a simple question:

Why Tweet it?

Didn't Irsay address his coaching staff? Yes or no?

If he did, why tweet about it, exception to call attention that you did something privately?

The ONLY reason, in my opinion, to tweet about it is to pander for attention. That's it. Particularly based on Irsay's past tweets: he likes to pander to Colt fans.

[ViriLudant]

Irsay was right about what he said but wrong putting it on Twitter. He basically criticized Grigson and Pagano in front for everyone to see. It's only a preseason game and we were without Landry,Freeman, and Werner on defense... Should have kept it in house.

This. ^

It's unprofessional to do what Irsay did.

[GoColts8818]

Just a simple question:

Why Tweet it?

Didn't Irsay address his coaching staff? Yes or no?

If he did, why tweet about it, exception to call attention that you did something privately?

The ONLY reason, in my opinion, to tweet about it is to pander for attention. That's it. Particularly based on Irsay's past tweets: he likes to pander to Colt fans.

Because Irsay wanted too.  Honestly I am guessing by the amount of displeasure that was expressed here after the Colts game that Irsay might have gotten a few fans with similar opinions expressing themselves to him on his twitter account.  Irsay probably wanted those fans to know their feelings were not being ignored, this wouldn't be the first time he's done that on twitter.  As for why he feels the need to do this Irsay listens to what people say about his football team and one of the major complaints he got during the Polian era is that they were too hush hush about everything and I am guessing he made the determination to be more open when he fired the Polians.  If you listen to the presser when he fired the Polians he hinted at it when he told the media that they have had issues not being as open as they should be and that was something they were going to have to work on that's paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quote. 

 

I've already explained in other response how I felt Irsay's address of the coaching stuff went.  You right Irsay likes to pander to the fans and this might very well be more of an example of that than it was meant to really be a shot at the coaching staff.  Again, I think people are reading into this way too much. 

 

Again, Kraft did something very similar to this when he went public about Welker's contract situation to pander to Pats fans a little bit, yet Pats fans defended that, now that it's our Owner pandering to our fans you are trying to treat it like it's a major issue.  So our owner should keep everything in-house but it's okay for your Owner to go public about a contract?  Sorry that's a double standard.  Personally I didn't care that much about Kraft going public in his contract talks and I don't care much about Irsay's twitter account.