Dustin Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 49ers- Jerry Rice Bears- Walter Payton Bengals- Anthony Munoz Bills- OJ Simpson Broncos- Terrell Davis Browns- Jim Brown Buccaneers- Warren Sapp Cardinals- Fitzgerald Chargers- Ladainian Tomlinson Chiefs- Derrick Thomas Colts- Dwight Freeney Cowboys- Emmitt Smith Dolphins- Jason Taylor Eagles- Reggie White Falcons- Deion Sanders Giants- Lawrence Taylor Jaguars- Fred Taylor Jets- Curtis Martin Lions- Barry Sanders Packers- Don Hutson Panthers- Steve Smith Patriots- John Hannah Raiders- Marcus Allen Rams- Marshal Faulk Ravens- Jonathan Ogden Redskins- Art Monk Saints- Willie Roaf Seahawks- Walter Jones Steelers- Joe Greene Texans- Andre Johnson Titans- Eddie George Vikings- Alan Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Probably gonna catch some flack for putting Freeney above Harrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsguy510 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ogden over Lewis?????? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ogden over Lewis?????? I don't think so.Ogden only gave up 26 sacks his entire career and is arguably the best O-lineman ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ogden only gave up 26 sacks his entire career and is arguably the best O-lineman ever. Perhaps but make no mistake when you say Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis comes to mind first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Perhaps but make no mistake when you say Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis comes to mind first.Ray Lewis was the face of the franchise for sure; but Ogden was top 3 at the 2nd most important position on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ray Lewis was the face of the franchise for sure; but Ogden was top 3 at the 2nd most important position on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGIII Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Perhaps but make no mistake when you say Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis comes to mind first. As it is right now... if we're talking pure ability at their respective positions I think I'd probably take Ogden over Lewis. Where Ray has the opportunity to pull ahead and potentially run away with it is the leadership factor and how much you buy into the idea that the team was very much centered around the man. I suspect we'll find out just how big of an impact Ray Lewis made on that organization in the coming seasons. From a pure production standpoint I don't know that Lewis stands out quite like Ogden does. Ogden was pretty much peerless in his heyday, Lewis... well... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Sullivan Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) ... Edited February 18, 2013 by Tony Sullivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Y Goodbye Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 My choices are below in red... 49ers- Jerry Rice ..agreed Bears- Walter Payton...Could add Dick Butkus or Mike Singletary as well Bengals- Anthony Munoz..Cris Collisworth..(J/k) agreed Bills- OJ Simpson...Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas, Cornelius Bennett also come to mind Broncos- Terrell Davis...agreed, but Floyd Little deserves some mention as well..on D..Steve Atwater was a beast in the secondary, along with Randy Gradishar at LB both multiple Pro Bowlers Browns- Jim Brown agreed Buccaneers- Warren Sapp ...The Best Buc was Lee Roy Selmon...hands down Cardinals- Fitzgerald..Ottis "OJ" Anderson..is my vote Chargers- Ladainian Tomlinson... My vote would be Kellen Winslow....Lance Alworth and Chuck Muncie could be considered as well... Chiefs- Derrick Thomas..My vote would be Tony Gonzalez...Could also add Otis Taylor and one of the few kickers in the Hall of Fame Jan Stenerud to the discussion. Colts- Dwight Freeney..New School I'd go with Marvin, then Edge..Old School..too many to name..John Mackey, Lenny Moore, Tom Matte, the list goes on and on... Cowboys- Emmitt Smith.. agreed, but could add Tony Dorsett, Randy White to the discussion.. Dolphins- Jason Taylor...Larry Csonka gets my vote, butNick Buoniconti..Larry Little could be added to the discussion Eagles- Reggie White..agreed Falcons- Deion Sanders..I'd go with Warrick Dunn over Sanders Giants- Lawrence Taylor..no brainer here Jaguars- Fred Taylor ...agreed Jets- Curtis Martin..agreed Lions- Barry Sanders..agreed.. Packers- Don Hutson...Ray Nitchske, Paul Hornung, and Jim Taylor are in the mix for that as well...any of these 4 deserve it Panthers- Steve Smith..agreed Patriots- John Hannah...Mike Haynes.. Raiders- Marcus Allen..My vote is for Fred Bilitnekoff...consider also Kim Otto, and Art Shell Rams- Marshal Faulk... Eric Dickerson is my pick, but with Deacon Jones, Rosie Grier, Merlin Olsen, Jack Youngblood.getting consideration. Ravens- Jonathan Ogden..Ray Lewis hands down.. Redskins- Art Monk..my vote is Darrell Green with John Riggins, Charlie Taylor, and Russ Grimm getting consideration Saints- Willie Roaf agreed Seahawks- Walter Jones my vote is Steve Largent with consideration to Curt Warner (no not the QB) Steelers- Joe Greene..Jack Lambert would get my vote, but almost anyone on offense and defense from those Steeler teams are in the running.. Texans- Andre Johnson..agreed Titans- Eddie George since they were the Houston Oilers before they moved...Earl Campbell..hands down Vikings- Alan Page,,..Carl Eller was the bookend and Jim Marshall and Chuck Foreman get some votes as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 My choices are below in red. Oops. How could I possibly forget Dickerson, Deacon Jones, and Tony-G? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Ray Lewis was the face of the franchise for sure; but Ogden was top 3 at the 2nd most important position on the team.It's a hair-splitter....they're both all-time greats at their positions. The complete insanity is that the Ravens got them in the same freaking draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 That's a good list..Dustin.... To me, the best non-QB 49er was Ronnie Lott ...and the best Indianapolis Colt was Bob Sanders.. ..and the best Charger was Lance Alworth. the best Chief was Wilie Lanier .....again...a very good subject..D=man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Y Goodbye Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Oops. How could I possibly forget Dickerson, Deacon Jones, and Tony-G? Its all good...this is a great topic btw...people are always going to have differing opinions on who's the best...you made me have to think, and I totally forgot about Ronnie Lott..But I'd still have to give the edge to rice..both to me were the best all-tie at their respective positions... I'm fairly sure I missed a few as well..Willie Lanier for the Chiefs was an awesome player as well...he definitely deserves consideration.. But if you never saw him play...see if you can find some videos on Lee Roy Selmon...I think he was one of the greatest, if not the greatest DE I have ever seen...He just recently passed away in 2011 from a massive stroke.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGIII Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Redskins- Art Monk..my vote is Darrell Green with John Riggins, Charlie Taylor, and Russ Grimm getting consideration Riggins is one of the most fondly remembered by a lot of people for his playoff performances during the '82 season but outside of that incredible stretch of games he was a curiously durable but otherwise unremarkable back. Green is definitely the runaway candidate defensively but I'd also have to toss Joe Jacoby, Bobby Mitchell, and Gary Clark into the mix of guys who are worthy of consideration. Our good offensive players always seemed to come in twos. It's a hair-splitter....they're both all-time greats at their positions. The complete insanity is that the Ravens got them in the same freaking draft. The Ravens knocked it out of the park their first couple of years in Baltimore with their early picks. In the first two rounds from '96 through '04 they grabbed Ogden, R. Lewis, Boulware, Sharper, McAlister, J. Lewis, Heap, Reed, and Suggs. It's really no wonder they've been so good for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The Ravens knocked it out of the park their first couple of years in Baltimore with their early picks. In the first two rounds from '96 through '04 they grabbed Ogden, R. Lewis, Boulware, Sharper, McAlister, J. Lewis, Heap, Reed, and Suggs. It's really no wonder they've been so good for so long.Ozzie know his stuff on draft day....that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahuyaman Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 49ers- Jerry Rice Bears- Walter Payton Bengals- Anthony Munoz Bills- OJ Simpson Broncos- Terrell Davis Browns- Jim Brown Buccaneers- Warren Sapp Cardinals- Fitzgerald Chargers- Ladainian Tomlinson Chiefs- Derrick Thomas Colts- Dwight Freeney Cowboys- Emmitt Smith Dolphins- Jason Taylor Eagles- Reggie White Falcons- Deion Sanders Giants- Lawrence Taylor Jaguars- Fred Taylor Jets- Curtis Martin Lions- Barry Sanders Packers- Don Hutson Panthers- Steve Smith Patriots- John Hannah Raiders- Marcus Allen Rams- Marshal Faulk Ravens- Jonathan Ogden Redskins- Art Monk Saints- Willie Roaf Seahawks- Walter Jones Steelers- Joe Greene Texans- Andre Johnson Titans- Eddie George Vikings- Alan PageI could make a really good case against at least half of those picks. To include the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 I could make a really good case against at least half of those picks. To include the Colts.I could make a really good case against at least half of those picks. To include the Colts.Feel free if you want. I love to hear differing opinions. Though to be fair to myself I did forget some guys when I was writing the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeDown Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I would definitely change Art Monk to Darrell Green. Maybe Lester Hayes for the Raiders. The Bill was Bruce Smith or OJ. The Cowboys would be Deion Sanders. I always thought E. Smith benefitted from that great Oline. Chargers would be Winslow I think. Good list. I really don't differ too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahuyaman Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 9ers- Joe MontanaBears- Walter PaytonBengals- Ken AndersonBills- OJ SimpsonBroncos- John ElwayBrowns- Jim BrownBuccaneers- LeRoy SelmonCardinals- Dick (Night train) LaneChargers-Lance AlworthChiefs- Len DawsonColts- John UnitasCowboys- Roger StaubachDolphins- Bob GrieseEagles- Reggie WhiteFalcons- Deion SandersGiants- Lawrence TaylorJaguars- Fred TaylorJets- Joe NamathLions- Barry SandersPackers- Paul HornungPanthers- Steve SmithPatriots- Andre TippettRaiders- Gene UpshawRams- Merlin OlsenRavens- Jonathan OgdenRedskins- Sammy BaughSaints- Willie RoafSeahawks- Steve LargentSteelers- Jack LambertTexans- Andre JohnsonTitans / Oilers-Warren Moon / Earl CampbellVikings- Fran Tarkenton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReMeDy Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Colts- Dwight Freeney The best was Marvin Harrison. The biggest?... ^ Jared "J.Load" Lorenzen who accidentally signed up as a QB (not really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 9ers- Joe MontanaBears- Walter PaytonBengals- Ken AndersonBills- OJ SimpsonBroncos- John ElwayBrowns- Jim BrownBuccaneers- LeRoy SelmonCardinals- Dick (Night train) LaneChargers-Lance AlworthChiefs- Len DawsonColts- John UnitasCowboys- Roger StaubachDolphins- Bob GrieseEagles- Reggie WhiteFalcons- Deion SandersGiants- Lawrence TaylorJaguars- Fred TaylorJets- Joe NamathLions- Barry SandersPackers- Paul HornungPanthers- Steve SmithPatriots- Andre TippettRaiders- Gene UpshawRams- Merlin OlsenRavens- Jonathan OgdenRedskins- Sammy BaughSaints- Willie RoafSeahawks- Steve LargentSteelers- Jack LambertTexans- Andre JohnsonTitans / Oilers-Warren Moon / Earl CampbellVikings- Fran TarkentonNo Qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahuyaman Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 No Qbs.There's about 10 QB's on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 There's about 10 QB's on my list.The title of the post says no Qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Probably gonna catch some flack for putting Freeney above Harrison. The bigger problem is that Freeney may not even be the best defensive end in Colts history, much less their best non-QB. I'm actually happy to say that there are so many good candidates that there will never be a consensus on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pombi9 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Are you kidding me Dustin, Jason Taylor over Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subvet Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Should be divided into eras (50s, 60s, etc) because way too many great players from those days got left off in favor of more recent players. The old NFL played a lot harder and rougher so they deserve more credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Are you kidding me Dustin, Jason Taylor over Dan Marino? That's the only thing that jumps out at you? It's a non-QB list (re-read the thread title), but it sounds like you are OK with the exclusion of Manning/Unitas, Elway, Montana, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Y Goodbye Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The best was Marvin Harrison. The biggest?... ^ Jared "J.Load" Lorenzen who accidentally signed up as a QB (not really). I know this is the off-season, but boy did T.Y. Hilton gain weight...If he's that big now, he'll definitely be the big receiver everyone is complaining about that the Colts don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Y Goodbye Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Should be divided into eras (50s, 60s, etc) because way too many great players from those days got left off in favor of more recent players. The old NFL played a lot harder and rougher so they deserve more credit. I just saw a show on ESPN where they voted the top 10 RB's of the 80's...They had Dickerson 1st and Walter Payton 2nd..Dickerson had a better 10 years during that time frame, but in no way better for their careers. They also didn't include Earl Campbell and Franco Harris, because they were sort of split between the two eras. I don't know if your suggestion would really work, but you have a great point..the game and players nowadays are so much different than back in the 50's through 80's. Maybe do it 50's and 60's...70's and 80's and 90-present...But I guess there would still be a few that bridge those parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGIII Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The best was Marvin Harrison. The biggest?... ^ Jared "J.Load" Lorenzen who accidentally signed up as a QB (not really). That guy had the best nicknames I've ever heard. The Hefty Lefty, J-Load, He Ate Me, The Pilsbury Throwboy... and there were more that I know I'm forgetting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheartcolt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'd have RG3 as the Redskin's (can we still call them that?) best.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 That guy had the best nicknames I've ever heard. The Hefty Lefty, J-Load, He Ate Me, The Pilsbury Throwboy... and there were more that I know I'm forgetting The abominable throwman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremecoltsfan300 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 People seem to be missing the concept of NO qbs on the list. It's okay, we all learn to read and follow directions at different ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kirk Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The bigger problem is that Freeney may not even be the best defensive end in Colts history, much less their best non-QB. I'm actually happy to say that there are so many good candidates that there will never be a consensus on the topic.Yes see your point, Bubba was pretty BAD A. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahuyaman Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The title of the post says no Qbs.Then you must eliminate many of the best players in a team's history. Even with that, my list would be far different than the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Dont argue with the post-man Tahu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Yes see your point, Bubba was pretty BAD A. IMOYou've got that right. Plus Gino Marchetti and maybe even John Dutton. Perhaps others should be in the conversation as well. I love Dwight, understand that he was integral to the teams recent run of success, and hope that he makes it to the HOF. But just because he's fresh in everyone's minds doesn't mean that he was the "best". He's an insanely good pass rush specialist in a defense that let him "do his thing" on virtually every down. That doesn't mean that he was the better than the players mentioned (Marchetti was considered one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, and Smith - well based on when I started seriously watching - if I was starting a Colts defense I'd take Smith, Curtis and Hendricks quickly and worry about the rest later.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Then you must eliminate many of the best players in a team's history. Even with that, my list would be far different than the original.The point of eliminating QB's is that it's a "given" that for virtually every team, a QB would be their "best" player. Most of us know them off the top of our head. Dustin was trying something more interesting. If you have a different list, post it. That's the ENTIRE reason for the existence of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kirk Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 You've got that right. Plus Gino Marchetti and maybe even John Dutton. Perhaps others should be in the conversation as well. I love Dwight, understand that he was integral to the teams recent run of success, and hope that he makes it to the HOF. But just because he's fresh in everyone's minds doesn't mean that he was the "best". He's an insanely good pass rush specialist in a defense that let him "do his thing" on virtually every down. That doesn't mean that he was the better than the players mentioned (Marchetti was considered one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, and Smith - well based on when I started seriously watching - if I was starting a Colts defense I'd take Smith, Curtis and Hendricks quickly and worry about the rest later.)A thread like this in all honesty cant be fair,because a lot of people didnt have the opportunity to see some of the greats play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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