Jump to content



 
Photo

Finally a offense scheme that fits LUCK


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
97 replies to this topic

#81 Larry Horseman

Larry Horseman
  • Member
  • 889 posts

Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:09 PM


Ok. I was comparing Collie's and Whalen's measurables. As for Welker, I was comparing what you said about him being too slow, light, and short. I said good receivers have to start out somewhere. You really need to understand better if you think I said he was a star in the making. As for excuses about his production, he did nothing his 1st two years. He just lead Stanford in receiving this past year, even more than Fleener. I think he'd be decent on ST, like Palmer who was barely noticeable.

Then you should be comparing him to Palmer and not Welker or Collie. And please don't question my reading comprehension. My point the whole time is that if he does make the team it will have more to do with his ability to play ST than his role as a WR because he is competing with WRs who must play ST.

Game Rewind: Relive every NFL moment…subscribe to Game Rewind. Relive every NFL moment…subscribe to Game Rewind.

#82 Captain Americolt

Captain Americolt
  • Member
  • 2592 posts

Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Then you should be comparing him to Palmer and not Welker or Collie. And please don't question my reading comprehension. My point the whole time is that if he does make the team it will have more to do with his ability to play ST than his role as a WR because he is competing with WRs who must play ST.

I won't question your reading ability as long as you understand what I was trying to say.
And I agree to an extent, I believe he will be solid on ST. There's guys on our ST group that are slower than him... I don't see his speed as a problem.

#83 ColtsBlueFL

ColtsBlueFL

    Off IR but on to the PUP list

  • Forum Moderator
  • 3474 posts

Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

Luck seems to think he and Pep will sit down and take the good from both offenses and form some kind of hybrid. I like Luck's plan more. Stanford was too conservative after Harbaugh left. Cost Luck the Fiesta Bowl.

 

Now that Luck had a taste of the Air Coryell, he won't want to give up on all of it.  I have seen interviews where Arians would tell Luck after a play, that there's times to take the deep shot, and that wasn't it.  he's got drags and crossing routes too. etc... so many trimes it was Luck looking deep and staying on it rather than taking checkdowns.  So unless every reciever in Peps offense is a checkdown, we may be seeing something similar, but a smaller scale.

 

Ben Roethlisberger had better stat/numbers and was vocally against his new OC and scheme.  Something about it I guess...


“There’s no question he’s (Luck) a complete football player and one of the top quarterbacks in this league already. He has a great career in front of him but I think he’s already established himself as a very poised and talented player that can do a lot of things to beat you and he manages his team well and plays good situational football.” -New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick

#84 K-148

K-148
  • Member
  • 119 posts

Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:22 AM

Don't like WCO. Luck is very dangerous outside the pocket, why keep him there? Make him play in run heavy play action offense. Make him a run treat. Behind quality OL.

#85 Rian Huff

Rian Huff
  • Member
  • 124 posts

Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

you do realize that under pep he ran out of the pocket more than RG3 did......just saying

 

Don't like WCO. Luck is very dangerous outside the pocket, why keep him there? Make him play in run heavy play action offense. Make him a run treat. Behind quality OL.



#86 GoodLuck

GoodLuck
  • Banned
  • 714 posts

Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

Now that Luck had a taste of the Air Coryell, he won't want to give up on all of it. I have seen interviews where Arians would tell Luck after a play, that there's times to take the deep shot, and that wasn't it. he's got drags and crossing routes too. etc... so many trimes it was Luck looking deep and staying on it rather than taking checkdowns. So unless every reciever in Peps offense is a checkdown, we may be seeing something similar, but a smaller scale.

Ben Roethlisberger had better stat/numbers and was vocally against his new OC and scheme. Something about it I guess...


LOL. I never thought about Luck getting trigger happy last yr. He was probably so happy to have deep threats and he just couldn't harness his excitement.

#87 NewEra

NewEra
  • Member
  • 4519 posts

Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

LOL. I never thought about Luck getting trigger happy last yr. He was probably so happy to have deep threats and he just couldn't harness his excitement.


Heh, after years at Stanford he got the fever of the long ball. I think he will still get them, just not trying to gun it 90% of the time. btw, sarcastic %
Colts fan for 20+ years. Was Colts4Lyfe on forums years and 5 or so different sites ago. Been lurking around ever since. Decided to rejoin to bond with my fellow fans in our time of need. Really excited at what lies ahead!!

#88 wig

wig
  • Member
  • 682 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:04 AM

everyone should just calm down about the WC differences. Even though Hamiltons offense will have WC traits, Grigsons main offensive philosophy is speed, right? So it would only make sense no matter the Offenive Coordinator, we have a WR stable full of burners: Avery 4.27, Hilton 4.32, Palmer 4.30, Brazill 4.36, so obviously we would make adjustments to any given offense to compliment our speedsters. I think Hamiltons offense will have alot  of Arians in it. simply because our guys fit it well, we've already spent a year drafting for it, and our WR's already know how to run it. plus, Luck has a strong arm and can handle any throw. Grigson LOVES speed and he loves the Big Play, I dont think Grigson, Pagano, or Irsay will let Hamilton treat a Colts offense like a college team playing it safe. We have way too moch speed for that.

Every single one of those recievers were picked up because of Arians. Grigson drafted and picked up free agents that fit his system and he'll do the same with Hamilton.

#89 reyrey1332

reyrey1332
  • New Member
  • 25 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:22 AM

Whalen is a Collie clone.

And Larry Horseman obviously didn't watch Griff last preseason, and I doubt he runs a 4.5.

In my opinion, the greatest small white boy possession WR of our time is Wes Welker.  Danny Amendola is a poor man's Wes Welker.  Griff Whalen in my eyes is a poor man's Danny Amendola...not sure what that makes him, but that is my professional assessment.



#90 Nobody

Nobody
  • Member
  • 5477 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:47 AM


In my opinion, the greatest small white boy possession WR of our time is Wes Welker. Danny Amendola is a poor man's Wes Welker. Griff Whalen in my eyes is a poor man's Danny Amendola...not sure what that makes him, but that is my professional assessment.

Ill take Whalen.
I will delete this when the new Colts win a Super Bowl.

Come on boys, let's get rid of the rest of my sig!

#91 BLOODontheTRACKS

BLOODontheTRACKS
  • Member
  • 9657 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

Every single one of those recievers were picked up because of Arians. Grigson drafted and picked up free agents that fit his system and he'll do the same with Hamilton.


How do you know this? Maybe grigson picked Hilton and Brazill were excellent players.

#92 Rian Huff

Rian Huff
  • Member
  • 124 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:37 AM

hmm i would say he got t.y. and brazil cuz of there potential than just it fits the playbook, fitting the playbook means nothing if you dont have the potential to get better



#93 GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE

GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE
  • Member
  • 840 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:03 AM

Now that Luck had a taste of the Air Coryell, he won't want to give up on all of it. I have seen interviews where Arians would tell Luck after a play, that there's times to take the deep shot, and that wasn't it. he's got drags and crossing routes too. etc... so many trimes it was Luck looking deep and staying on it rather than taking checkdowns. So unless every reciever in Peps offense is a checkdown, we may be seeing something similar, but a smaller scale.

Ben Roethlisberger had better stat/numbers and was vocally against his new OC and scheme. Something about it I guess...

well in essence if you mix air coryell with the west coast offense... You then have Sean paytons new Orleans Saints off and personally i would love that, however we would really have to develop kelley to be that Colston you're threat.

#94 ColtsBlueFL

ColtsBlueFL

    Off IR but on to the PUP list

  • Forum Moderator
  • 3474 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

well in essence if you mix air coryell with the west coast offense... You then have Sean paytons new Orleans Saints off and personally i would love that, however we would really have to develop kelley to be that Colston you're threat.

 

I would have loved that too. And I was even in favor of giving Joe Lombardi a chance to drive it.   Let's see what Pep, and Grigs, does this offseason/draft.  Then we may have more of a clue to what's in store at OTA's and training camp. 


“There’s no question he’s (Luck) a complete football player and one of the top quarterbacks in this league already. He has a great career in front of him but I think he’s already established himself as a very poised and talented player that can do a lot of things to beat you and he manages his team well and plays good situational football.” -New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick

#95 wig

wig
  • Member
  • 682 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

How do you know this? Maybe grigson picked Hilton and Brazill were excellent players.

You really think he picked up the 4 fastest receivers available, though undersized, randomly and it had nothing to do with giving Arians the tools to push the ball down field like his system calls for? Stop arguing just to argue, it's pathetic.

#96 Gavin

Gavin
  • Member
  • 18300 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:55 PM

U think iur going to find a 6'4 220 LB wide receiver who runs a 4.4 in the 3rd and 4th rounds? And guess what, all offensive systems want guys with speed.
 

Tommy Streeter 4.40 40, He is raw but only started 1 year in Miami, he has plenty of room to improve also, was taken in the 6th round, I had my eye on him late 



#97 BLOODontheTRACKS

BLOODontheTRACKS
  • Member
  • 9657 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

Tommy Streeter 4.40 40, He is raw but only started 1 year in Miami, he has plenty of room to improve also, was taken in the 6th round, I had my eye on him late 


There was a reason tommy Streeter fell to the 6th....he wasn't good. Was non existent most of his Miami career. Don't think he even got onto the field this year.

#98 seeblu

seeblu
  • Member
  • 349 posts

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

Only person I'm worried about is.....

1. Reggie Wayne: Does he really feel like learning another offense? But I'm sure Reggie being the Man he is will suck it up & have a positive outlook on it

Ballard, Fleener, & Allen should be salivating at this NEW scheme because they'll be huge parts of the offense

 

Reggie will be the beneficiary of the new West Coast O.  Reggie is still "my man" but he has lost a step and the longer routes make it difficult for him to get separation.  In the WO Reggie will shine.  Two TE's and the new 6'6"  WR, add Reggie and it will be a defenses' nightmare.  Next season can't come soon enough. :number1:








COLTS TICKETS!

Single Game Tickets Available!

BUY THEM TODAY!
Join the Stampede!

Recent Status Updates

View All Updates