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I really think he is oming into his own, I feel hes proving his value and that the trade was right. I'm starting to believe he's a tremendous tackler and he proves hes a great coverage man when healthy. Im excited and ready for a big future for this kid, and our franchise. What do you guys think?

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What I've read of him, he is happy in Indy, especially with his first playoff game this week. Three years in Miami, and no playoffs. First year here, Playoffs. Happy is good for him and it is good for our city's team. Happy is what was missing when he was in Miami. I'm looking forward to watching Vonte play for the years to come.

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I really think he is oming into his own, I feel hes proving his value and that the trade was right. I'm starting to believe he's a tremendous tackler and he proves hes a great coverage man when healthy. Im excited and ready for a big future for this kid, and our franchise. What do you guys think?

 

Well worth a second.  Definitely aggressive, and not afraid to use his hands (but he needs to get a little better on hiding it from the refs).

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Vontae wants some Push up the middle and lots of Pressure on the QB.

The fastes way for him to do better.

I pray we lose Freeney. No player in the History of the NFL has seen more Rushing yards gained thru his hole.

His success as a pass rusher was half based on playing with a 4 time MVP while playing from AHEAD.

Look at the recent 300 yard game and how many yards were gained coming his way. It was AWFUL!

Not saying he didn`t have a GREAT spin move etc., but he was also a big part of our Horrible run D for all these years.

QB`s feared him, Opponents Abused him (Our Team) in the running game.

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Vontae wants some Push up the middle and lots of Pressure on the QB.

The fastes way for him to do better.

I pray we lose Freeney. No player in the History of the NFL has seen more Rushing yards gained thru his hole.

His success as a pass rusher was half based on playing with a 4 time MVP while playing from AHEAD.

Look at the recent 300 yard game and how many yards were gained coming his way. It was AWFUL!

Not saying he didn`t have a GREAT spin move etc., but he was also a big part of our Horrible run D for all these years.

QB`s feared him, Opponents Abused him (Our Team) in the running game.

 

So, you want pressure on the QB, but you don't want Freeney because he doesn't play the run?  You want a speed NT that stops the run, and sacks the QB?

 

Not too many of those guys in the league.

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Between the trade and being late coming into the colts as a result and the injuries I think he is just now comfortable in the defense. Remember when traded for booger in 06 he was healthy from the time we got him and he said it took till the playoffs to get comfortable in the defense. These things don't happen over night.

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For years it seemed our corners were 8 to 10 yards off the receiver pre-snap. I actually saw Davis at the line of scrimmage trying to jamb his man. It may be the D they are running now but for years I have been waiting to see more press at the line.

thats more of a result of the system teams use than it is the player. The colts DBs as a whole are much more aggressive than they have been in years past. Vaughn, Powers, and Butler have all gotten big plays as a result of being aggressive as well as Davis. We have also been burned as a result I still have nightmares about shorts running to the end zone in the jags game.
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thats more of a result of the system teams use than it is the player. The colts DBs as a whole are much more aggressive than they have been in years past. Vaughn, Powers, and Butler have all gotten big plays as a result of being aggressive as well as Davis. We have also been burned as a result I still have nightmares about shorts running to the end zone in the jags game.

 

Quite correct.  Pags said a few days ago that our DB's are more aggressive than in the past, and that it would sometimes burn us, but overall help us.

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vontae was very similar to randy moss a top 10 talent who's stock dropped due to character issues. vontae would be the 2nd best cb after dee milliner who will be a top 5 pick if he was to come out this draft. we wouldn't have drafted a cb in the 1st let alone the 2nd round with the talent of vontae davis so it was more then worth it.

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Vontae is turning into a stud CB. He's good for about 2 PI penalties a game, but he can run with any WR, has great hands, and has been absolutely excellent at tackling.

 

Side note:

I was at this game in the 7th row behind the Colts bench 50 yard line. I kept seeing this guy in a gray Colts shirt holding a clipboard thiinking it was a team assistant talking to Vontae and the corners. I finally figured out it was Jerraud Powers!! Lol, It was pretty funny once I figured out who the little guy was.

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I'd like to see Vontae used similarly to how Charles Woodson was used on the Packers before they moved him to safety this year. Have him play the slot receiver, put him up on the line of scrimmage to blitz occassionally and help in run support. He is an insanely good open-field tackler, has good instincts and has the athleticism to get to the QB if called to. I think if we used him like that, our defense would jump to another level immediately. We can't do that right now though because we don't have enough talent at corner to afford moving him inside. Watch out when we do, though 

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I think Nickell Robeyout of USC is declaring and will be a good grab in the 3rd or 4th. has been good throughout his years. just a smaller corner but good.

 

He's not smaller....   he's tiny!

 

Likely 5'8" (maybe shorter) and under 175.

 

I don't think he'll last to the 5th round, but I'm not sure I'd want to spend higher than that on a kid (even a talented kid) who is that small.

 

Just my two cents.....

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Vontae is turning into a stud CB. He's good for about 2 PI penalties a game, but he can run with any WR, has great hands, and has been absolutely excellent at tackling.

 

Side note:

I was at this game in the 7th row behind the Colts bench 50 yard line. I kept seeing this guy in a gray Colts shirt holding a clipboard thiinking it was a team assistant talking to Vontae and the corners. I finally figured out it was Jerraud Powers!! Lol, It was pretty funny once I figured out who the little guy was.

 

 

50 yard line!?!    7th row!?! 

 

Who do you know?!?!?      Those are sweet seats!!    (Too low for my taste, but still really nice!)

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He's not smaller....   he's tiny!

 

Likely 5'8" (maybe shorter) and under 175.

 

I don't think he'll last to the 5th round, but I'm not sure I'd want to spend higher than that on a kid (even a talented kid) who is that small.

 

Just my two cents.....

 

Ooh that is small. When you have a corner who could potentially be outjumped by TY Hilton, what are you going to do when a 6'+ receiver goes on him? Simple - toss it up for free receptions every time. 

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Hopefully we Draft Matt Elam, Bacari Rambo, Eric Reid, or Kenny Vaccaro.

I'm loving the direction this Team is going in. Grigson has shown that he's not afraid to pull the Trigger on things. It wouldn't surprise me if he worked out a Trade to get a Top 15 Pick this year

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So, you want pressure on the QB, but you don't want Freeney because he doesn't play the run?  You want a speed NT that stops the run, and sacks the QB?

 

Not too many of those guys in the league.

I don`t want Freeney because he is clearly Past his Prime AND a Huge Liability against the run.

Easily replaceable at this point.

That would be a NT that GETS PUSH. NT`s don`t usually make many tackles as they most often are trying to take up two blockers so the ILB`s are more free to stop the run. As I understand it.

For the 1st 10 games or thereabouts Poor Mookie Johnson was getting knocked back 3 yards and was involved in almost no plays.

Then he started holding his own much better and also started getting just a little penetration which really helped us to stop runners for little or no gain. Then he got hurt.

If you have a NT that can get some PUSH when he is NOT double teamed, well QB`s hate pressure in their face and find it very distracting AND it disturbs the runners. So if you can add that with some outside pass rush with someone better than a too old freeney, and with some good cover corners, you might have a D that Creates some Turnovers. Even if this PUSH NT doesn`t get a Sack.

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I don`t want Freeney because he is clearly Past his Prime AND a Huge Liability against the run.Easily replaceable at this point.That would be a NT that GETS PUSH. NT`s don`t usually make many tackles as they most often are trying to take up two blockers so the ILB`s are more free to stop the run. As I understand it.For the 1st 10 games or thereabouts Poor Mookie Johnson was getting knocked back 3 yards and was involved in almost no plays.Then he started holding his own much better and also started getting just a little penetration which really helped us to stop runners for little or no gain. Then he got hurt.If you have a NT that can get some PUSH when he is NOT double teamed, well QB`s hate pressure in their face and find it very distracting AND it disturbs the runners. So if you can add that with some outside pass rush with someone better than a too old freeney, and with some good cover corners, you might have a D that Creates some Turnovers. Even if this PUSH NT doesn`t get a Sack.

That's where I think you're wrong, Freeney isn't easily replaceable. If you could pick out a pass rush specialist, who would you want to get? I'd say DF, if it were the right price. But I agree with you, that would be his job. Go in on long yardage.

As for a NT, yeah, who wouldn't want the guy you describe. Personally, I think Mookie is our worst NT. I give him credit for taking iton but it's not his natural position.

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