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#41 FightLikeSin

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

Yes...My ESP isn't perfect my friend hahaha. Hopefully all my hunches go the right way in the playoffs. :rock:  

You should have known better. History is not on your side in Indianapolis. ;)


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#42 RGIII

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:26 PM

If RG3 has to throw 40 times in order to come from behind, you have reduced Alfred Morris' role in the game.

 

The game is mainly going to be decided by what the Seahawks offense can do vs the Redskins defense as opposed to the other talked about aspect of Redskins O vs Seattle D.

 

That can change the whole complexion of the game, if the Seahawks can get a 2 possession lead and work with it consistently, IMO. While the Redskins' D is playing better, I would not be shocked if the Seahawks come out aggressive on offense throwing to get ahead in the game. It takes the crowd out, and can force Shanahan to change his playcalling, IMO.

 

100% agreed.  If we are allowed to play our game offensively then the Seahawks defense will be in for a long day.  The things that make them a great also make them vulnerable to the things that make us great.  If we get into an early multi-score deficit, though, the dynamic changes and we'll be forced to play to their strengths.

 

Unfortunately, you have to accept that Lynch is going to get his yards one way or another so whether or not we win this game will probably come down to our ability to contain Wilson.  I've looked at the tape... Wilson doesn't impress mightily until he breaks containment and starts running around in the backfield.  If you can keep him bottled up back there he'll take sacks and won't be too effective, if you can't he'll start making some pretty ridiculous plays as the defense inevitably breaks down.  If there's an area of opportunity for our defense it'll come on the deep jump balls he likes to throw.  He likes to give his guys a chance in one-on-one coverage and they often win (very good at shielding out defenders with their bodies) but the throws aren't fantastic and there's a huge opportunity for a defender to come up with the ball when that happens.  Our secondary is a little iffy when it comes to keeping up with guys downfield but if they're close enough to make a play they've been pretty good at following through as of late.  That could help swing things in our favor.

 

I think we all Colts fans, and pretty soon Redskins fans know that if you give anything waist high to Garcon, he will drop it more often. If you give him something around his shoulder or higher, he will catch it at a high rate. It has been the theme of his WR life. :)

 

Sounds pretty consistent with what we've seen so far.  Thankfully Griffin likes to put a little height on most of his throws to Garcon, usually because he has to clear the ball over linebackers.



#43 hawkeyes

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:28 PM

They'd have a much better team if Cousins was calling the plays ;)   I reckon thats one big hit away!    Kid is never going to last!


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#44 RGIII

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

They'd have a much better team if Cousins was calling the plays ;)   I reckon thats one big hit away!    Kid is never going to last!

 

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#45 Matugi

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

We're did you get this "QBR" from ? I would just like to know

Washington Post has it on their website somewhere. There's a reference section I believe.

#46 GrizzColt

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

We Colts fans don't think Luck will last if he continues getting hit and he's 6'4" and 240 lbs.  How and why do you Redskin fans ignore the inevitable outcome of your QB?  What does he do that makes you think he will avoid injury and run this formation for the next 15 years?        



#47 bayone

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

end of an era of one of the most dynamic & inspiring players ever


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#48 RGIII

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

We Colts fans don't think Luck will last if he continues getting hit and he's 6'4" and 240 lbs.  How and why do you Redskin fans ignore the inevitable outcome of your QB?  What does he do that makes you think he will avoid injury and run this formation for the next 15 years?        

 

Redskins fans are all concerned to varying degrees.  No one ignores the risks of having a QB with a propensity for extending plays although most of us would say that it is foolhardy to proclaim that there is any inevitable outcome.

 

I'll sum up the difference between Luck and Griffin as follows.  If our team or scheme failed to protect RG, we'd all be livid and I'm sure the majority of Skins fans would be calling for Mike Shanahan's head.  The outrage would register much more loudly and harshly with us than it has over here with your questionable offensive line and a scheme that is not conducive to getting the ball out quickly.  That's not the case, though.  We pass protect well enough and we don't take a lot of unnecessary risks with our QB from a playcalling standpoint.  The pistol doesn't put Griffin in any real danger whatsoever and the zone read is a relatively safe play because Griffin is pretty conservative with it.  He routinely passes up opportunities to get big chunks of yardage himself and hands off to Morris if he has even the slightest doubt that the playside DE will be able to reach him.

 

Griffin only tends to get killed when he tries to fight for extra yardage as a runner out in space or when he tries too hard to make something happen on a play that has essentially failed.  That's strictly on him.  The bad news and what we have to be wary of is that it's not something that's going to go away completely.  The kid will always try to make those plays when he feels it's important.  The good news is that as he gains experience he should have a better feel for what actually is important and will go down sooner as a runner to avoid hits or get the ball out sooner (something I expect to happen anyway as he becomes increasingly comfortable with his reads).

 

So while no one ignores the risk, there's no sense in fretting too much because there's nothing that can really be done short-term about it.  I wouldn't change a thing about our offense and, while our personnel can always be better, I don't think better offensive linemen would help prevent situations like the Falcons concussion or the Ravens knee sprain whatsoever.  Best we can do is sit back, enjoy the show, and hold our breath when Griffin decides to show off his athleticism.



#49 Matugi

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

Well put. And in all honesty, the hits have REALLY cut down over the latter half of the season. While yes, the knee injury was bad, it really was a fluke on a scramble as he initiated his slide late, but he was trying to get down. Other than that, he has actually done a very good job recently of sliding and getting out of bounds, although his slide is really awkward looking, kinda Rodgers-esque.

#50 BLOODontheTRACKS

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

Griffin doesn't have to sell himself as a runner, though, and he won't if that is the strategy teams use against him.  If he makes it clear that he doesn't have the ball and he gets nailed anyway there's going to be a flag.
 
In fact, we've actually already seen teams try this on us before (the Rams).  As a result, it's not that unusual to see Griffin hand off and put his arms up in the air to show the defender and, more importantly, the refs that he is not the ballcarrier which affords him the normal QB protections.  Inevitably the playside DE is going to have to start trying to defend the run when that happens instead of going for Griffin and that's when Griffin can begin to take off with it or we can run the play action pass.

you mean the rams game where he took a pretty good beating and people came here crying about the dirty play of the rams?
i didn't say the defense should be stupid and take cheap shots, but if he wants to hold that ball in the gut of the rb that long, i would tell the defender to nail him...and that won't be a flag.

#51 RGIII

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

you mean the rams game where he took a pretty good beating and people came here crying about the dirty play of the rams?
i didn't say the defense should be stupid and take cheap shots, but if he wants to hold that ball in the gut of the rb that long, i would tell the defender to nail him...and that won't be a flag.

 

I recall a lot of Colts fans talking about how Jeff Fisher's teams are dirty and I recall myself thinking it was a poorly officiated game but not being too upset about the tactics employed by the Rams.  I don't recall very much crying.

 

That game is what caused us to make the adjustment that I mentioned above (putting hands up and effectively failing to sell the fake when teams decide not to play the run).  The DE can maybe get a shove off if he's very quick to the QB and can plausibly claim that he couldn't slow down in time.  If he nails Griffin after that point, though, it's a flag.  Our coaching staff actually got clarification from the NFL on this point and we've not had any problems with it since.  Jared Allen was actually caught on mic saying he was going to ignore Morris and go for Griffin on the zone read.  Griffin read it correctly, routinely handed off to Morris, and didn't take much punishment in that game at all.  Once Allen stopped doing that Griffin broke off his longest run of the season for a TD.



#52 ColtsFTW

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

Redskins fans are all concerned to varying degrees.  No one ignores the risks of having a QB with a propensity for extending plays although most of us would say that it is foolhardy to proclaim that there is any inevitable outcome.

 

I'll sum up the difference between Luck and Griffin as follows.  If our team or scheme failed to protect RG, we'd all be livid and I'm sure the majority of Skins fans would be calling for Mike Shanahan's head.  The outrage would register much more loudly and harshly with us than it has over here with your questionable offensive line and a scheme that is not conducive to getting the ball out quickly.  That's not the case, though.  We pass protect well enough and we don't take a lot of unnecessary risks with our QB from a playcalling standpoint.  The pistol doesn't put Griffin in any real danger whatsoever and the zone read is a relatively safe play because Griffin is pretty conservative with it.  He routinely passes up opportunities to get big chunks of yardage himself and hands off to Morris if he has even the slightest doubt that the playside DE will be able to reach him.

 

Griffin only tends to get killed when he tries to fight for extra yardage as a runner out in space or when he tries too hard to make something happen on a play that has essentially failed.  That's strictly on him.  The bad news and what we have to be wary of is that it's not something that's going to go away completely.  The kid will always try to make those plays when he feels it's important.  The good news is that as he gains experience he should have a better feel for what actually is important and will go down sooner as a runner to avoid hits or get the ball out sooner (something I expect to happen anyway as he becomes increasingly comfortable with his reads).

 

So while no one ignores the risk, there's no sense in fretting too much because there's nothing that can really be done short-term about it.  I wouldn't change a thing about our offense and, while our personnel can always be better, I don't think better offensive linemen would help prevent situations like the Falcons concussion or the Ravens knee sprain whatsoever.  Best we can do is sit back, enjoy the show, and hold our breath when Griffin decides to show off his athleticism.

If and when (probably when =P ) it happens I imagine it will be because you're playing from behind late in a game and hes trying to do too much, rather than playing with a lead and being more conservative.



#53 Jules

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:06 PM

I have no idea what will happen in this game right now. None. I don't trust Seattle enough on the road despite their defensive powers but I still worry about the Skins defense too.

 

3 rookie QBs playing this weekend......good stuff. Luck goes first. ;)



#54 Malakai432

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

That was easily Griffin's worst game of the season. Making a judgment based on that single performance would be like me guaranteeing that you guys would be one and done based on Luck's play in the Jets game.

Ohhh but we are, one and done that is... haha

I kid I kid, both teams have it tough. Washington playing one of the best teams in te NFL who many think can make the SB and win the SB, Colts going into Baltimore which is always tough. One of the greatest defensive players and future HOFer Lewis announces his retirement so they will be pumped.

Both have seriously difficult tasks, homefield helps drastically. It could be a possible win soley based on that Washington is playing at home. None the less Wash and Indy are going to have to play very good mistake free football to win.

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#55 Jules

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:38 AM

It would be really fitting for this forum if both Luck and RGIII won Sunday. I can see it now:

 

Colts poster: Lucks numbers were worse YES but WE WERE ON THE ROAD. RGIII was at home. Luck is also better at home.

Redskins poster: lolz Colts homer. RGIII tore up by far a much more dangerous defense.

Colts poster: Yeah but we had to deal with the return of Ray. And Luck was CLUTCH, as usual.

Texans poster: RGIII had the better game guys, it is pretty obvious. He was efficient and smooth for 4 quarters.

Redskins poster: I agree with the Texans fan.

Colts poster: I will take my clutch Luck and you can have your stupid stats Skins fans.

 



#56 Kenny

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:20 AM

end of an era of one of the most dynamic & inspiring players ever

 

 

I imagine this was supposed to be about ray lewis haha.



#57 bayone

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:59 AM

I imagine this was supposed to be about ray lewis haha.

 

yes , i  have much confusion lately , medical issues haunting me know and in fact Dr yesterday said to " expect some mental confusion " till things figured out, so hard to think right at times, reposted this in correct spot later yesterday 

 

But glad could give u a laugh


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#58 Kenny

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

yes , i  have much confusion lately , medical issues haunting me know and in fact Dr yesterday said to " expect some mental confusion " till things figured out, so hard to think right at times, reposted this in correct spot later yesterday 

 

But glad could give u a laugh

Don't think that was your mind at all, the website has had posts jumping around lately haha isn't the first time it's happened.



#59 bayone

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

Don't think that was your mind at all, the website has had posts jumping around lately haha isn't the first time it's happened.

thanks for vote of support, unfortunately for me u never know, have a good day my friend

 

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#60 chad72

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

It would be really fitting for this forum if both Luck and RGIII won Sunday. I can see it now:

 

Colts poster: Lucks numbers were worse YES but WE WERE ON THE ROAD. RGIII was at home. Luck is also better at home.

Redskins poster: lolz Colts homer. RGIII tore up by far a much more dangerous defense.

Colts poster: Yeah but we had to deal with the return of Ray. And Luck was CLUTCH, as usual.

Texans poster: RGIII had the better game guys, it is pretty obvious. He was efficient and smooth for 4 quarters.

Redskins poster: I agree with the Texans fan.

Colts poster: I will take my clutch Luck and you can have your stupid stats Skins fans.

 

Loved it, Jules!!! :)



#61 hawkeyes

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

Not enough faces and palms in the world ;)

 

I promise there will never be any I told you so's from me ..... ;)


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#62 krunk

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

That boy RG3 is so serious! I just love the dude

#63 chad72

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

The winner of the #4 vs #5 NFC matchup could be in the NFCCG, IMO.



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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

It would be really fitting for this forum if both Luck and RGIII won Sunday. I can see it now:

 

Colts poster: Lucks numbers were worse YES but WE WERE ON THE ROAD. RGIII was at home. Luck is also better at home.

Redskins poster: lolz Colts homer. RGIII tore up by far a much more dangerous defense.

Colts poster: Yeah but we had to deal with the return of Ray. And Luck was CLUTCH, as usual.

Texans poster: RGIII had the better game guys, it is pretty obvious. He was efficient and smooth for 4 quarters.

Redskins poster: I agree with the Texans fan.

Colts poster: I will take my clutch Luck and you can have your stupid stats Skins fans.

 

 

{Sigh} Would have been nice.  If only...   :(

 

Come on 2013 football season!!  


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