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#81 southwest1

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

He is just trying to get attention, Ya cant take him serious

 

 

I hate these type threads. 

 

... And I'm tired of the notion that if you support Luck you must Hate Peyton. 

 

.......And if you support Peyton you can't be a Colts Fan. 

 

So Sue Me....

....I support BOTH.  

 

I really don't know how I'll react if they meet in the Playoffs.  I have really enjoyed this year.... It's been such a magical season  for everyone.  I don't really want it to end for either,  but it will.    I just hope for Good Games all around.   

 

 

I'll be honest then. I am a Colts fan full stop. After that I don't honestly care. As I have many close friends who like many other teams. I would shout for their teams over any player including Manning. Except v my wife's team, the Patriots. That would be like selling my soul to the Devil. I think I would like to see Peyton win another ring or two, as long as it's not at the expense of the Colts, but it would be 'nice', no more than that.

I had several very long and decent pm's with Mac on the subject, and we came out on a good footing. I know it is quite common in America to follow a player rather than a team, but this phenomenon is almost unheard of in the rest of the world due to soccer fandom. No player is ever more important than the team so to speak. I did have trouble with this concept at first, but after my chat with Mac, I get it.

What does agitate me however is the negative comments about our team from some of the Manning 'first' fans who almost can't wait to slight Luck or Irsay at the drop of a hat. This has happened throughout the season. Little digs here and there, nipping away at a sore.

I'm afraid there is still a lot bitterness from a small section and they will never be happy no matter how well we do.

That is what riles people on here I feel.

All of you make valid points: Skip Bayless loves to create a false level of equivalency. Either you love Luck or you hate him, Either he has the Superstar it factor or he is interception prone. I also agree with Gramz. It is possible to admire both Manning & Luck & 1 must never forget what Peyton did for INDY either for that matter. No one deserves to be vilified should they choose to follow both #18 & #12. A person can still move forward with INDY's new direction & still be pleased with what the Pagano regime has achieved. 

 

I do find it humorous that Skip Bayless goes out of his way to point Luck's weaknesses while, in his eyes, RG3 can do no wrong.  haha


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#82 southwest1

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

If you backed me into a corner & said SW1 you must choose 1 Playoff victor...I'd go with Peyton Manning. I want Yoda to be the 1st NFL QB to win 2 SB's with 2 separate franchises. Rookies always hit the wall eventually & fall short their 1st year. It's just the nature of the Playoff beast. 


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#83 braveheartcolt

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

If you backed me into a corner & said SW1 you must choose 1 Playoff victor...I'd go with Peyton Manning. I want Yoda to be the 1st NFL QB to win 2 SB's with 2 separate franchises. Rookies always hit the wall eventually & fall short their 1st year. It's just the nature of the Playoff beast. 


I hope you are wrong, and my wish is correct, but if I am wrong I hope you are correct.

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#84 southwest1

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

I hope you are wrong, and my wish is correct, but if I am wrong I hope you are correct. See, all is now crystal clear.....

I like you braveheartcolt. You are always very perceptive & funny. Not to mention very balanced & fair minded too I might add. I think that the Colts are good enough to give the Ravens a run for their money & win this next round, but beyond that I'm not so sure. But, then again, anything can happen in the Playoffs. To quote ESPN analyst Herm Edwards, "Hello, you play to win the game." 

 

Keep up the great commentary my friend.  :hat:  :colts:


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#85 Coltsince4

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

I have problems rooting for Peyton not because he left the Colts but because he went to the Broncos but come playoff time I will cheer for him once(if) the Colts are gone.

 

FOR ME IT'S ONE AND DONE!!!??

 
 
 


#86 southwest1

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

The other weird thing...OC Bruce Arians & Andrew Luck seem to have good mentor/apprentice relationship & if Bruce gets a HC job then that solid chemistry could become jeopardized if Luck is forced to contend with a new OC with poor communication skills at such a crucial point in his NFL career. 

 

Ultimately, you want a good OC who can dilute complicated schemes down to their most basic form & can explain concepts more than 1 way to TE's, RB's, WR's, & your starting field general. Win now at all costs. The wrong OC can cripple a QB's development if you are not careful. Keep Bruce Arians in house Jim Irsay.


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#87 indy1888

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

Eli had 8 last year.

http://www.pro-footb...player=MannEl00

2 of those were playoff wins. The record for regular season is 7.

#88 Fx Stryker

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

2 of those were playoff wins. The record for regular season is 7.

 

I stand corrected then. Luck shares it with:

 

 

Jake Delhomme (28) 2003
Jake Plummer (24) 1998
Brian Sipe (30) 1979
Tom Brady (26) 2003 
Dan Pastorini (29) 1978
Peyton Manning (33) 2009
Don Majkowski (25) 1989
Peyton Manning (23) 1999
Andrew Luck (23) 2012 
Bernie Kosar (23) 1986 


#89 southwest1

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Look, I realize that no amount of money is going to make a person stop the pursuit of their head coaching dream if that's what Bruce Arians desires. I know that. It's not about money; it's about how you frame the sales pitch. Do you wanna leave now without molding Andrew Luck into a annual Playoff bound quarterback? Isn't it more liberating to mold a SB Champion team from scratch vs veteran retreads that you can't build up block by block? Your owner is patient in INDY & won't make rash decisions about unfulfilled expectations. This City loves you & has embraced you. Imagine how well this offense will have a balanced attack with a solid line & a stout defense. We will be unstoppable! 

 

Andrew needs you. Chuck needs you. Irsay needs you & this city needs you & values your contributions immensely. INDY is gonna do great things Bruce & we want you to remain in the Blue Horseshoe family fold Bruce. What do you say Bruce...Let's hunt & go win a Lombardi Trophy together... :thmup:  :blueshoe:


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#90 ManningFANin FL

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

I am taking Peyton. Not because I do not like Luck or think Peyton is physically better but because I think Peyton is mentally stronger and more prepared for what he might see from a defense RIGHT NOW.....

 

There is always a ton of hostility when the whole Peyton/Luck issue is brought up. It really is a tough situation for both sides. I respect both opinions. I became a Colts fan when Ted Marchibroda was the HC, I was 18. I liked the story and he stood out to me. Being a SEC gal, I followed Peyton at Tennessee and was delighted he was going to be a COLT! It was a win-win. I agonized over the losses and cheered for the wins, while living with 2 Steelers fans I might add. I consider myself a loyal person and had a huge problem with the way Peyton was treated. Yes, i understand it is a BUSINESS, I understand it has worked out for both sides HOWEVER I still have a problem with the way it went down which caused me to once again root for the underdog-Peyton. He was cast aside and treated badly, in my opinion. Do I hate Luck? NO WAY! Do I root against the Colts? NO WAY! My point is everyone has an opinion and no one is right or wrong. Some have short memories and others choose to remember. I read here, usually without posting and cringe at any Peyton/Luck threads because I know who is taking what side almost down to a science. One last thought......both Peyton and the Colts have had brilliant seasons, I am happy for them both and look forward to the playoffs this weekend!!



#91 Susie Q

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

FOR ME IT'S ONE AND DONE!!!??

 
 

:sigh:



#92 Coltsince4

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

:sigh:

If you didn't really catch what I meant by that? It means once the Colts are done I'm done. But then again that's after they SHOOK

the world and win The Superbowl!!! Go Colt!!!

 
 
 


#93 Susie Q

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

If you didn't really catch what I meant by that? It means once the Colts are done I'm done. But then again that's after they SHOOK

the world and win The Superbowl!!! Go Colt!!!

 
 
 

Whatever   :)



#94 Jay Kirk

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

I like you braveheartcolt. You are always very perceptive & funny. Not to mention very balanced & fair minded too I might add. I think that the Colts are good enough to give the Ravens a run for their money & win this next round, but beyond that I'm not so sure. But, then again, anything can happen in the Playoffs. To quote ESPN analyst Herm Edwards, "Hello, you play to win the game." 

 

Keep up the great commentary my friend.  :hat:  :colts:

Ok speaking intelectually and realistic,not with my heart,IMO we dont match up with the Broncos,I think they are the best team in the league,would i love to see the Colts make the SB you bet your b... Lol i wont be a bit upset to see Peyton there either :thmup:



#95 BleedingBlue

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:22 PM


I dont' see anything wrong with the Question being posed. I have a problem with colts fans that have to take shots at former Colt greats because they feel insecure about the question.

Many of us like to discuss where we could be better objectively. Offensive Line, DBs...gasp...even QB.

Unfortunately there is a camp here that can't handle objective assessments of Andrew Luck, period.

Asking which QB you'd rather have in the playoffs is a valid Question and no one should be upset when the answer is the guys with the higher QB rating.
Calvin Johnson drops 2 passes in the 4th Quarter? Really?

#96 Coltsince4

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

I dont' see anything wrong with the Question being posed. I have a problem with colts fans that have to take shots at former Colt greats because they feel insecure about the question.

Many of us like to discuss where we could be better objectively. Offensive Line, DBs...gasp...even QB.

Unfortunately there is a camp here that can't handle objective assessments of Andrew Luck, period.

Asking which QB you'd rather have in the playoffs is a valid Question and no one should be upset when the answer is the guys with the higher QB rating.

Boy does that work both ways. Some people are so SENSITIVE..



#97 Jay Kirk

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

Look, I realize that no amount of money is going to make a person stop the pursuit of their head coaching dream if that's what Bruce Arians desires. I know that. It's not about money; it's about how you frame the sales pitch. Do you wanna leave now without molding Andrew Luck into a annual Playoff bound quarterback? Isn't it more liberating to mold a SB Champion team from scratch vs veteran retreads that you can't build up block by block? Your owner is patient in INDY & won't make rash decisions about unfulfilled expectations. This City loves you & has embraced you. Imagine how well this offense will have a balanced attack with a solid line & a stout defense. We will be unstoppable! 

 

Andrew needs you. Chuck needs you. Irsay needs you & this city needs you & values your contributions immensely. INDY is gonna do great things Bruce & we want you to remain in the Blue Horseshoe family fold Bruce. What do you say Bruce...Let's hunt & go win a Lombardi Trophy together... :thmup:  :blueshoe:

Well said Brother :thmsup:



#98 shecolt

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

Several posts have been removed from this thread because they were a personal squabble.

 

I am asking that members please keep such posts out of the forums. 


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