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#1 lance.acres

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:51 AM

Manning had a 56.7% rating with only 575 attempts.

Brady only had a 63.9% his first full season with only 264 attempts.

Dan Marino-58.4% 296 attempts.

Joe Montana-64.5% 273 attempts ( 2nd year, only 23 attempts rookie season).

John Elway-47.5% 259 attempts.

Johnny Unitas-55.6% 198 attempts.

Furthermore... Romo-65.3% 337 attempts(4th year but first year he played).

Phillip Rivers-61.7% 460 attempts (1st full year).

Jay Cutler 63.6% 467 attempts.

Sam Bradford-60% 354 attempts.

Food for thought......
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#2 lance.acres

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:52 AM

These are rookie/first full year starting stats BTW.
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#3 jahsoul

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:05 AM

2 things about Dan Marino:

 

1. He didn't start the whole year his rookie year. He started Week 6 and even still, he through for 20 touchdown to like 6 interceptions I believe.

 

2. His first full year starting, he passed for over 5,000 yards and 48 touchdowns. Considering the time he played in, I will go on record to say that was the greatest season of any QB to ever step on the field.

 

On another note, where was this thread going? lol. I saw Dan Marino and started to play back the fond memories of the greatest QB I've ever seen play the game.


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#4 AustinCollie17

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:06 AM

I think the real stat for future Colts QBs is if their 1st pass is a TD.
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#5 Carlos Danger

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:13 AM

I agree with your premise, I guess, but I will point out that, on this list, only Elway has a lower comp% than Luck, but Luck has thrown 627 passes; significantly more than Manning and light years more than anyone else on the list...

I think that we all basically realize that Luck's poor comp.% is partially due to the system he is playing in and partially due to the inexperience of of the Colts offense in general. I think that completion rate can be an important stat, but it always has to be put in proper context. Just because Luck has a pedestrian looking 54.1 completion % does not mean that he hasn't been phenomenal this season. Next year he will put up a much higher percentage, I'd guess. It can take years before a QB has complete confidence that his receiver is going to be where he's supposed to be when the ball arrives.



#6 lance.acres

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

Well I started to add a few new rookie QB stats but didn't want it to turn into one of those threads. My point is that it's a stat that means exactly nothing in determining how a QB turns out. But it seems to be the most glaring statistic the RG3 homers are using to prove his dominance over Luck. I was hoping people would just figure out what I was doing. But since you asked....
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#7 jahsoul

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:24 AM

Well I started to add a few new rookie QB stats but didn't want it to turn into one of those threads. My point is that it's a stat that means exactly nothing in determining how a QB turns out. But it seems to be the most glaring statistic the RG3 homers are using to prove his dominance over Luck. I was hoping people would just figure out what I was doing. But since you asked....

Actually, they use touchdown to interception ratio but I digress. lol

 

I think that Cam Newton had probably the most dominating season for a rookie. I mean, he threw for 4000+ yards (and I know people will bring up Andrew Luck beating that but Luck also threw the ball 100 times more) with a 60% completion rate. He also ran for 700 yards. No matter how you feel about the dude, IMO, he has had the best rookie season statistically of any QB.


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#8 House

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 06:31 AM

Actually, they use touchdown to interception ratio but I digress. lol

I think that Cam Newton had probably the most dominating season for a rookie. I mean, he threw for 4000+ yards (and I know people will bring up Andrew Luck beating that but Luck also threw the ball 100 times more) with a 60% completion rate. He also ran for 700 yards. No matter how you feel about the dude, IMO, he has had the best rookie season statistically of any QB.

Except the whole winning games thing.

Other than that it was one of the great rookie campaigns.
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#9 oldunclemark

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

Manning had a 56.7% rating with only 575 attempts.

Brady only had a 63.9% his first full season with only 264 attempts.

Dan Marino-58.4% 296 attempts.

Joe Montana-64.5% 273 attempts ( 2nd year, only 23 attempts rookie season).

John Elway-47.5% 259 attempts.

Johnny Unitas-55.6% 198 attempts.


That;s why the QB rating is bogus.

Unless I'm mistaken QB rating deals in 'yards per attempt' instead of yards per completion which is the more telling stat.

Its what you do with your completions that matters...do you throw the ball down the field?

Sometimes you throw the ball away intentionally...

Yards per completion matters..not yards per attempt

Furthermore... Romo-65.3% 337 attempts(4th year but first year he played).

Phillip Rivers-61.7% 460 attempts (1st full year).

Jay Cutler 63.6% 467 attempts.

Sam Bradford-60% 354 attempts.

Food for thought......


#10 oldunclemark

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:36 AM

That;s why the QB rating is bogus.

Unless I'm mistaken QB rating deals in 'yards per attempt' instead of yards per completion which is the more telling stat.

Its what you do with your completions that matters...do you throw the ball down the field?

Sometimes you throw the ball away intentionally...

Yards per completion matters..not yards per attempt

#11 dw49

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:21 AM

Yesterday was a perfect example of how a guy can be 14-28 and have been accurate doing it. 

 

4 drops by my count

1 PI not called on a perfect pass to Hilton

another not called PI on a nice pass to Wayne

2 (?) throw aways to avoid a sack

 

of the other 6 inc's , how many were bad throws and how many was there just no plcae to go with the ball ?



#12 NewEra

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:27 AM

Yesterday was a perfect example of how a guy can be 14-28 and have been accurate doing it. 
 
4 drops by my count
1 PI not called on a perfect pass to Hilton
another not called PI on a nice pass to Wayne
2 (?) throw aways to avoid a sack
 
of the other 6 inc's , how many were bad throws and how many was there just no plcae to go with the ball ?


Exactly, great post. This is one mad * rookie. You can go on anyone's board and they will tell you the same. Was on texans last night and they said the same thing. Another makings of a great/elite qb.
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#13 Cynjin

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:28 AM

That;s why the QB rating is bogus.

Unless I'm mistaken QB rating deals in 'yards per attempt' instead of yards per completion which is the more telling stat.

Its what you do with your completions that matters...do you throw the ball down the field?

Sometimes you throw the ball away intentionally...

Yards per completion matters..not yards per attempt

 

I agree about the QB rating. I used to like it, but the more I looked at it the less sense it made.  Quaterbacks that have mediocre games sometimes get very good ratings and the some that have very good games get a mediocre rating.  I am not sure if the newer QBR that ESPN pushes is better.



#14 jvan1973

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:31 AM

Exactly, great post. This is one mad * rookie. You can go on anyone's board and they will tell you the same. Was on texans last night and they said the same thing. Another makings of a great/elite qb.

The thing i like most about him is he seems to play better in clutch situations. Pretty incredible for a rookie. He has far exceeded my expectations in his first season. Can't wait to watch him with an NFL caliber o line

#15 NewEra

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:37 AM

The thing i like most about him is he seems to play better in clutch situations. Pretty incredible for a rookie. He has far exceeded my expectations in his first season. Can't wait to watch him with an NFL caliber o line

 

love him in clutch situations, 2 minute drills, no huddle. and he truely just seems like a great teammate. you can tell how he interacts with both the offense and defence guys on the sideline. we like to compare him to others, but i think hes going to be his own guy. his own legacy, feels great.


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#16 MR. Blueblood

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:03 AM

I get where you're going with this, but to me it's an apples to oranges type deal.  I get tired over the comparisons with other players stats etc.  The only thing that matters to me is how any of them would play behind this O-line and that is something that we'll never know for sure.  I can only guess they would have some struggles too when you're constantly dodging defenders and picking yourself up off the ground.  The fact the Luck hasn't missed a snap with the beating he's taken speaks volumes to his toughness.  Get him a line that can afford him some time and I think you'll see the comp % go way up.


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#17 NorCalColt

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:26 AM

The completion percentage didn't matter this season.  But like so many other things about the Colts this year, they are a statistical anomaly, and the "normal" evaluation tools don't begin to tell the story.  As a matter of fact, the statistics would lead one to believe that this team went closer to 5-11 than 11-5.  Outscored, out run, lost the turnover battle..  Yesterday was a great example - Colts gain 80 yards rushing, under 200 passing, 50% completions - and win by 12 over the team which was the #1 seed in the AFC for most of the year.  On the surface, if you didn't know the result, you'd say that team didn't win.  But 9 Texans penalties, two INTs, and a KO return later... It was an incredible year, the 'eye' test tells me there are many incredible years ahead, and stats can't always tell the whole story.



#18 JoKeR

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

It's about winning games guys.

#19 jahsoul

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

Except the whole winning games thing.

Other than that it was one of the great rookie campaigns.

That's why I included the word statistically. :thmup:

 

 

I agree about the QB rating. I used to like it, but the more I looked at it the less sense it made.  Quaterbacks that have mediocre games sometimes get very good ratings and the some that have very good games get a mediocre rating.  I am not sure if the newer QBR that ESPN pushes is better.

I would take the Quarterback Rating over the QBR any day of the week. While the traditional quarterback rating isn't person, it leaves out the subjective crap that "tries" to measure clutchness. QBR is usually what makes a QB seem better than they are.


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