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Luck snubbed for Pro Bowl in favour of Schaub.

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A little analogy.

Let's say I hire a young teenager to mow my yard and his name is Andrew Luck. I tell him I am running errands and when I get back I will pay him for mowing my yard. When I get back and the yard is mowed immaculately, do I care if he missed some spots at first but went back and fixed it before I got back? No, I don't. In fact, I notice he mows it just as well as a professional and right now he doesn't charge me as much. My neighbor in the cove notices and says he has a young man named Bobby who does a good job on his yard and that I should use him because everybody likes him and is really popular in the neighborhood. I look at his yard and look at mine and I say, "I think my yard looks about 1 game better than yours...why would I change?" I have this feeling that my guy won't make those mistakes next time and yet will continue to do a great job. In fact, I believe he's going to get me "Yard of the Month" one day :)

Ahahah love the analogy Grizz!!!

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Quiz you are the one that thinks Luck is terrible haha. Just go with flow of realizing he's had one of the most successful rookie seasons in NFL history and people won't argue with you so much.

You gotta cut the guy some slack he's been hit 111 times because this patchwork, injury riddled OL can't block and he's still had success. I'm sure Arians scheme also factors into it. I don't think Luck likes to hold onto the ball and get pressured every snap because the OL is garbage waiting for long tedious routes to develop.

QB hits allowed. Top 5

1. Colts 111

2. Eagles 111

3. Jags 94

4. Cardinals 93

5. KC 83

And yes I do agree Matt Schuab should've made the pro bowl before Luck. This thread is a moot point because he's an alternate anyway so unless Dalton, Flacco or Luck are in the SB, Luck will be in the PB.

No, trust me, I don't think that he is terrible. I just hate seeing people constantly tearing down Griff and his accomplishments just to make themselves feel better about a QB who may or may not be performing up to their expectations. I liked 12 even when he was at Stanford. I know what he's capable of and I definitely don't think he sucks. I just believe Griffin is playing better.

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No, trust me, I don't think that he is terrible. I just hate seeing people constantly tearing down Griff and his accomplishments just to make themselves feel better about a QB who may or may not be performing up to their expectations. I liked 12 even when he was at Stanford. I know what he's capable of and I definitely don't think he sucks. I just believe Griffin is playing better.
Yeah but....but..... Uhhhhh... Let me think here..... Ohh yeah Griffin uses performance enhancing drugs, there we go that's it!!!

Yeah both Griffin and Russel honestly have been playing better ball for sure. That being said though I do think Luck was thrown into the worst situation out of all the rookie QBs though. I've even heard analyst, ex players like Kurt Warner say so. I think at the beginning of the year many would've thought that even Mia/Clev w Tanhehill/Weeden would've been better off, lol.

It's on TOMORROW Quiz you going down!!!!!!! You literally are going down!!!!

In terms of this thread I would not say Luck was snubbed at all.

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It's funny how all of the RG3 loving media types are now predicting the Cowboys to win Sunday.  Their reason?  Because last week RG3 could't run full speed, eeked out a win and now prognosticators are jumping off his bandwagon because they don't trust him standing in the pocket.  Well, duh, that's what we've been saying all year.    

What?

The only website nearly universally picking the Cowboys tomorrow is NFL.com. Other than that, every other outlet has the majority picking the Redskins.

Second, not only is your generalization false, but the reason for your generalization is just as ridiculous. RG3 picked apart the Eagles' coverage with ease last week; the interception came off a tipped ball (P.S. according to many here Luck would be SOOOOOO much better if it weren't for tipped balls!). Outside of that he was pretty flawless, including an incredibly TD pass to Santana Moss.

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Yeah but....but..... Uhhhhh... Let me think here..... Ohh yeah Griffin uses performance enhancing drugs, there we go that's it!!!

Yeah both Griffin and Russel honestly have been playing better ball for sure. That being said though I do think Luck was thrown into the worst situation out of all the rookie QBs though. I've even heard analyst, ex players like Kurt Warner say so. I think at the beginning of the year many would've thought that even Mia/Clev w Tanhehill/Weeden would've been better off, lol.

It's on TOMORROW Quiz you going down!!!!!!! You literally are going down!!!!

In terms of this thread I would not say Luck was snubbed at all.

Bring it on!!!!!!!! haha I don't think it will be much of an issue anyway, he's going in place of someone. Dress to impress in Hawaii!

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Bring it on!!!!!!!! haha I don't think it will be much of an issue anyway, he's going in place of someone. Dress to impress in Hawaii!

 

Yeah but....but..... Uhhhhh... Let me think here..... Ohh yeah Griffin uses performance enhancing drugs, there we go that's it!!!

Yeah both Griffin and Russel honestly have been playing better ball for sure. That being said though I do think Luck was thrown into the worst situation out of all the rookie QBs though. I've even heard analyst, ex players like Kurt Warner say so. I think at the beginning of the year many would've thought that even Mia/Clev w Tanhehill/Weeden would've been better off, lol.

It's on TOMORROW Quiz you going down!!!!!!! You literally are going down!!!!

In terms of this thread I would not say Luck was snubbed at all.

 

there we go that's it! I agree!!! We needed to get RG drug tested!!!

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I suggest it is impossible to say who is playing better. Just what does playing better mean? Helping his team win more games? Throwing more TD's? More yards? More TD passes? Less Interceptions? Higher completion rate? Better rushing stats? Less sacks? Better 3rd and long completions?

 

Rivers has a higher % completion rate than Brady. Palmer has a 10 point better passing rate than Luck. Freeman has thrown 6 more TD passes than Griffin. What does this tell me? That using these well quoted stats to justify why QB1 is better than QB2 is uselessly inappropriate and futile.

 

They are as relevant as saying Luck has a better beard than Grossman.

 

Being a Quarterback is all about being a winner, and how people can be so positive that any of these excellent 1st year QB's are so clearly better than the others are being just plain silly, particularly when they use the stats above as justification. They do come in handy as troll food though....

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What?

The only website nearly universally picking the Cowboys tomorrow is NFL.com. Other than that, every other outlet has the majority picking the Redskins.

Second, not only is your generalization false, but the reason for your generalization is just as ridiculous. RG3 picked apart the Eagles' coverage with ease last week; the interception came off a tipped ball (P.S. according to many here Luck would be SOOOOOO much better if it weren't for tipped balls!). Outside of that he was pretty flawless, including an incredibly TD pass to Santana Moss.

 

It was a great pass to Moss, I agree. But check out how much time he had in the pocket. This is NOT Griffin's problem, but it is a feature Skins and Texans fans are happy to ignore, repeatedly....

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It's funny how all of the RG3 loving media types are now predicting the Cowboys to win Sunday.  Their reason?  Because last week RG3 could't run full speed, eeked out a win and now prognosticators are jumping off his bandwagon because they don't trust him standing in the pocket.  Well, duh, that's what we've been saying all year.    

Your definately wrong I just saw on NFL live Shlereth and Bruschi picked the skins. Offcourse some people have picked dallas. CBS sports expert picks  09 out of 12 experts picked the skins.

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there we go that's it! I agree!!! We needed to get RG drug tested!!!

 

Yes so does JJ Watt and obviously Tim Tebow!!!!!

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It was a great pass to Moss, I agree. But check out how much time he had in the pocket. This is NOT Griffin's problem, but it is a feature Skins and Texans fans are happy to ignore, repeatedly....

 

Are you implying that the Colts don't have an OL?

 

I thought we used this guy..

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and

 

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making the Colts OL one of the greatest of all time.

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Yes so does JJ Watt and obviously Tim Tebow!!!!!

Yes, lets give them a random test when there not looking they have to be on something!! I think Luck might even be on diet pills

if you know what I mean? Never saw someone as good as him running for ones life all the time!!! :huthut::rock::dunno::thinking:

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Too many weak games stat wise for Andrew, so I don't think he should have made it.  RG3 should have made it and glad he was picked.  Now that would have been a snub had he been left off.  Having said all that, I still would rather have Luck and think he will wind up with the better career (more SBs, more MVPs, more Pro Bowls, etc.).  Not deserving this year though.

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Cousins played against the Browns. haha Besides, Griffin now has his team in playoff contention. You're starting to run out of ways to fault Griffin, and it's obvious.

How long do you think he will play?

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Yes, lets give them a random test when there not looking they have to be on something!! I think Luck might even be on diet pills

if you know what I mean? Never saw someone as good as him running for ones life all the time!!! :huthut::rock::dunno::thinking:

I agree Luck may be on diet pills and I know for sure that Matt Schuab is on some feminine hygiene products. The funny part if you google - Matt Schuab feminine hygiene this shows up:

Matt Schaub | My Blog

Tag Archives: Matt Schaub. Suh draws attention for hitting Schaub below belt ... Dressings · Ethnic Products · Eye Care · Feminine Hygiene · Foods · Frozen Foods ...

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I'm sure there's no absurd and ignorant statements and misconceptions about 12 and certainly not Griffin on their forums that I feel the need to reply to, so no.

You think its ignorant and absurd for people to say rg3 doesn't belong in the pro bowl ahead of drew brees?

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If Colts had selected RG3, I think Luck would have thrived in the Shanahan's system. The scheme attacks defenses and puts the QB in a position to succeed and the coaches get the most out of the skills of the QB running it. I didn't expect RG3 to have the type of year he has had in year 1, but I would have expected it from Luck given what he did at Stanford, particularly his junior year.

I know you guy are ecstatic about Arians and your record, but I think the NFL is entering a new era of offense and Luck has the skills to thrive in it and the system they are running doesn't get the most out of the investment and they are running a classic vertical game without a great o-line and running game. I think it puts too much pressure on the kid with a lot of missing pieces.

If Arians ends up with a HC job this off season, I think it would be a genius move to bring in Chris Ault from Nevada as OC for the Colts. Having a system that forces defenses to account for a dual threat from the QB on every play makes it a 11 on 11 game instead of 10 against 11 which most D schemes are based. Most importantly it pretty much negates the DE/OLB on most plays from the pistol. Not having to deal with players like JJ Watt with a premiere OT but with play design instead is priceless.

Wait... Could it be? Someone who knows what they are talking about? I have to pinch myself. Couldn't have said it any better myself sir. Well done.

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Too many weak games stat wise for Andrew, so I don't think he should have made it.  RG3 should have made it and glad he was picked.  Now that would have been a snub had he been left off.  Having said all that, I still would rather have Luck and think he will wind up with the better career (more SBs, more MVPs, more Pro Bowls, etc.).  Not deserving this year though.

 

Josh Freeman threw 6 more TD passes, get him in before Griffin too. Stats are important....

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How long do you think he will play?

As long as the football gods allow. 15 years maybe.

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You think its ignorant and absurd for people to say rg3 doesn't belong in the pro bowl ahead of drew brees?

No, but there is a list of absurdities I could type out for you. Or breeze through the forum and you will see plenty.

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Haven't checked this thread in a while. I've created a monster!

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Haven't checked this thread in a while. I've created a monster!

haha   so this was your fault...???   :lol:

I had forgotten who started it....   It's been  entertaining.  ;)

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haha   so this was your fault...???   :lol:

I had forgotten who started it....   It's been  entertaining.  ;)

 

 

Haven't checked this thread in a while. I've created a monster!

Stone him! :)

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What? This is a wonderful thread. Don't despair Dan, if there was a pro-bowl for threads, this would be a guaranteed pick....

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After reading threw this thread it is clear there is a big divide between Redskins fans and Colts fans to the point where each side feels like they have to discredit the other teams QB in order to prove how great their QB is.  Frankly I don't think this is needed on both sides.  I think BOTH sides would be better served to admit BOTH QBs are good. 

 

I also think both sides need admit facts as facts and stop trying to spin them to suite their argument.  For example it's a fact that RG3 runs a more simple offense than Andrew Luck and yes that's a fact Redskin fans how ever Colts fans just because it's more simple is not some kinda case against RG3.  Clearly RG3 is excelling in that offense and the results speak for themselves.  By the same token I think Redskins fans need acknowledged the fact that Luck plays in an offense that lends it's self to more mistakes than the one RG3 plays in.  I think if you put RG3 in the Colts offense you would see similar numbers to what Luck has put up by the same token if you put Luck in an offense like RG3 is running I think he would have close to the same numbers at RG3.  So their numbers both good and bad are a result of their offenses that they play in than they are indications that one is more talented than the other.  Both have proven to be outstanding rookie QBs and if you add in Wilson those three all have a chance to be something special in this league.  Add in Tannehill and Weeden who have played well for rookies and you are seeing the best group of rookie QBs to come into the league in a long long time. 

 

I don't think either QB has proven to be THAT much better than the other.  Honestly I read something in this thread where someone said pretty much RG3 has arrived and Luck has not.   Honestly all we know about both is that they had very very promising rookie seasons that their fans should be excited about.  Could Luck go David Carr on the Colts if they don't get the line fixed?  Without question.  By the same token RG3 could go Vick on the Redskins.  If you recall he came into the league and took it by storm much like RG3 is doing but injuries took their toll on him and RG3 has already been knocked out of two games and missed another.  So make no mistakes injuries is something to be concerned about with RG3.  With that said you have to be kidding yourself to think that RG3 isn't a game changer.  What I don't agree with though is that RG3 is carrying the Redskins all by himself.  Don't get me wrong I don't think the Redskins would be nearly as good without him but if it was all him you would have seen a drop off much like the Colts saw last year when they lost Peyton Manning when RG3 went out.  That didn't happen another rookie QB came in and played extremely well which tells me the players around RG3 don't get enough credit.  Again I want to be clear I am NOT saying RG3's success is all a result of the guys around him but I do think they are underrated a bit. 

 

All and all I really don't have a problem with RG3 going to the Pro-Bowl.  He's had an unreal season.  I also wont have a problem if Luck goes because one of the three ahead of him doesn't play in the Pro-Bowl.  There are many ways to judge a great player.  Stats is one way and Luck is having one of the best rookie reasons in NFL history for QB as is RG3. However, leadership is another way to judge one.  The fact that the Colts have gone from 2-14 to a playoff team and the biggest change was at the QB spot you have to give Luck credit for that.  Also the fact that Luck has lead so many fourth quarter comebacks this season and is 9-1 in one score games is just unreal for a rookie QB.  Those two things are impressive in their own right. Our Pats fans are right it's the same argument they have made for Brady over the years. 

 

I want to add one last thing, just because you are a fan of another team and you post on the Colts forum does NOT automatically make you the voice of reason and without bias.  It doesn't mean Colts fans don't have homer view points at times either.  Both sides have their bias and it shows at times.  At the end of the day I think if both sides would admit that the other other sides QB is good as well as theirs this place would be a lot more peaceful when it comes to topics about them. 

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After reading threw this thread it is clear there is a big divide between Redskins fans and Colts fans to the point where each side feels like they have to discredit the other teams QB in order to prove how great their QB is.  Frankly I don't think this is needed on both sides.  I think BOTH sides would be better served to admit BOTH QBs are good. 

 

I also think both sides need admit facts as facts and stop trying to spin them to suite their argument.  For example it's a fact that RG3 runs a more simple offense than Andrew Luck and yes that's a fact Redskin fans how ever Colts fans just because it's more simple is not some kinda case against RG3.  Clearly RG3 is excelling in that offense and the results speak for themselves.  By the same token I think Redskins fans need acknowledged the fact that Luck plays in an offense that lends it's self to more mistakes than the one RG3 plays in.  I think if you put RG3 in the Colts offense you would see similar numbers to what Luck has put up by the same token if you put Luck in an offense like RG3 is running I think he would have close to the same numbers at RG3.  So their numbers both good and bad are a result of their offenses that they play in than they are indications that one is more talented than the other.  Both have proven to be outstanding rookie QBs and if you add in Wilson those three all have a chance to be something special in this league.  Add in Tannehill and Weeden who have played well for rookies and you are seeing the best group of rookie QBs to come into the league in a long long time. 

 

I don't think either QB has proven to be THAT much better than the other.  Honestly I read something in this thread where someone said pretty much RG3 has arrived and Luck has not.   Honestly all we know about both is that they had very very promising rookie seasons that their fans should be excited about.  Could Luck go David Carr on the Colts if they don't get the line fixed?  Without question.  By the same token RG3 could go Vick on the Redskins.  If you recall he came into the league and took it by storm much like RG3 is doing but injuries took their toll on him and RG3 has already been knocked out of two games and missed another.  So make no mistakes injuries is something to be concerned about with RG3.  With that said you have to be kidding yourself to think that RG3 isn't a game changer.  What I don't agree with though is that RG3 is carrying the Redskins all by himself.  Don't get me wrong I don't think the Redskins would be nearly as good without him but if it was all him you would have seen a drop off much like the Colts saw last year when they lost Peyton Manning when RG3 went out.  That didn't happen another rookie QB came in and played extremely well which tells me the players around RG3 don't get enough credit.  Again I want to be clear I am NOT saying RG3's success is all a result of the guys around him but I do think they are underrated a bit. 

 

All and all I really don't have a problem with RG3 going to the Pro-Bowl.  He's had an unreal season.  I also wont have a problem if Luck goes because one of the three ahead of him doesn't play in the Pro-Bowl.  There are many ways to judge a great player.  Stats is one way and Luck is having one of the best rookie reasons in NFL history for QB as is RG3. However, leadership is another way to judge one.  The fact that the Colts have gone from 2-14 to a playoff team and the biggest change was at the QB spot you have to give Luck credit for that.  Also the fact that Luck has lead so many fourth quarter comebacks this season and is 9-1 in one score games is just unreal for a rookie QB.  Those two things are impressive in their own right. Our Pats fans are right it's the same argument they have made for Brady over the years. 

 

I want to add one last thing, just because you are a fan of another team and you post on the Colts forum does NOT automatically make you the voice of reason and without bias.  It doesn't mean Colts fans don't have homer view points at times either.  Both sides have their bias and it shows at times.  At the end of the day I think if both sides would admit that the other other sides QB is good as well as theirs this place would be a lot more peaceful when it comes to topics about them. 

 

Nicely said.

 

I think the vast majority of Colts fans genuinely appreciate and understand that Griffin is a very fine player and is having a great season. I certainly do.The majority of protestations are aimed at the trolling nature of the visiting fans who are not interested in fair debate, they are just posting to brag about their player as fans with low intellect and mischievious intentions regularly do, evidenced by their cherry picking of stats to inflate Griffin and undermine Luck.....

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Good posts, Brave and GoColt.  

 

My mother-in-law was a lifelong Redskin fan, hailing from the DC area.  Though I am a lifelong Colts fan, I always kind of pulled for the Redskins vs their rivals.  I have always believed that the Redskins were the class organization in the NFC East.  That being said, Redskin fans apparently have become raging lunatics with the ascension of RG3...acting more like the Dallas Cowgirl fans than any team I have seen in a while.  Perhaps they have been starved for so long, they can't help it.   There should be some amount of class from a franchise that once had the classy and beloved Joe Gibbs as a part of it.  Theisman, who lives in nearby Memphis, has by friend's accounts, even signed autographs in church when asked and is a nice guy.  I don't get the sudden classlessness.  We Colt fans have been blessed with great QB's for decades.  When you get one, be happy yet gracious, knowing that you have a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl.  Don't go nuts and jump on other teams boards, acting as if you are God's gift when we know just as well that we, too, have a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl now.  We had one with Manning and we believe we have one with Luck.  If you attack fans on their board, you are going to get defensive answers, merely because we love our pick and are standing by him.  If we jumped on your board, I would expect the same results.  I know I have posted some ugly replies in this thread and quite frankly regret some of them.  Just remember from whence you came.

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You CAN use rushing TD and rushing yards. Yea Luck has 1 less rushing TD but I havent seen Luck take a run 76 yards to the house either.

Luck should have a bagillion passing yards. Isnt he top 5 in pass attempts? 600 pass attempts lol wow. Passing yards are cool, but not everything. Ask Matthew Stafford.

And NO WAY would Luck have the same amount of rushing yards. He is nowhere near the athelete that RG3 is. This has been WELL documented. C'mon man...really lol. Not saying he isnt a good athelete because he is. He isnt in the same league as RG3, but to be fair to Luck, not many players in the NFL are from a pure athletic stand point.

And to say that Coaches and players would not vote in RG3 would be wrong. Look at the stats. He is one of the top QB's in the NFL in the stats that matter:

Completion %

TD/Int Ratio

Yards per pass attempt

Is RG3 a popular player? Absolutely

Did that help him in the Pro Bowl voting? Sure

But to say that the coaches and players dont buy into this guy would be wrong, in my opinion.

As I said in another post, when the average fan tunes in for highlights, they see Luck throwing interceptions all over the field and I believe this really hurt him with fan voters, players and coaches.

And this is not to say that players and coaches dont buy into Luck because they do,,,the dude is great, I've been on record of saying that, but he hasnt had as good as season as Rg3. The fact is RG3 has been the most consistent rookie quarterback this year. He hasnt had a 400 yard game or broken the passing yardage record for rookies, but he also doesnt have 10 games of at least 1 interception and 5 games of at least 2 or more interceptions. That stuff matters, no matter how much people will try to downplay it.

I'm not one to downplay RGIII. And saying that he has a more complete offense is not downplaying him. Saying that luck didn't get in because of INTs is a load of s*** IMO. The way I see it RGIII deserved to get in to the probowl. But luck deserved it as well. With NO offensive line, NO running game, and almost half of the team is made up of rookies he most certainly deserved to make the probowl. That's what everyone is up in arms about. The only reason people are whining about RGIII is because he was drafted in the same year. Otherwise people wouldn't try and knock against him. Not saying its right of people to do so but that's the reason. I'm over it. On to the playoffs!

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I have no problem with Luck not being voted in.  He had a nice rookie season but seriously who can really take issue with Peyton, Brady and Schaub being voted ahead of him.  Like others have said, he'll likely go anyway as a replacement.  Who expected Luck to even make the Pro Bowl in his rookie year going into this season?  Kid has done alot of great things this season...he's written his name in the record books already.  However, face it he threw too many interceptions.  INT's do matter and is probably the reason why Drew Brees also didn't get voted in this year.  The good news is this is just Luck's rookie year and he is only going to get even better from here.  He still has thrown for more TD's than INT's which is good for a rookie QB. Even Peyton didn't do that.  

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Good posts, Brave and GoColt.  

 

My mother-in-law was a lifelong Redskin fan, hailing from the DC area.  Though I am a lifelong Colts fan, I always kind of pulled for the Redskins vs their rivals.  I have always believed that the Redskins were the class organization in the NFC East.  That being said, Redskin fans apparently have become raging lunatics with the ascension of RG3...acting more like the Dallas Cowgirl fans than any team I have seen in a while.  Perhaps they have been starved for so long, they can't help it.   There should be some amount of class from a franchise that once had the classy and beloved Joe Gibbs as a part of it.  Theisman, who lives in nearby Memphis, has by friend's accounts, even signed autographs in church when asked and is a nice guy.  I don't get the sudden classlessness.  We Colt fans have been blessed with great QB's for decades.  When you get one, be happy yet gracious, knowing that you have a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl.  Don't go nuts and jump on other teams boards, acting as if you are God's gift when we know just as well that we, too, have a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl now.  We had one with Manning and we believe we have one with Luck.  If you attack fans on their board, you are going to get defensive answers, merely because we love our pick and are standing by him.  If we jumped on your board, I would expect the same results.  I know I have posted some ugly replies in this thread and quite frankly regret some of them.  Just remember from whence you came.

I don't much appreciate the, excuse my pun, high horse upon which you sit. I don't speak for all Redskins fans, but I believe most of them came here simply to see how the Colts viewed RG3, largely considering it was a hot point before the season started. The only reason that many stayed was because they were peeved that such discredit what being cast upon him and felt the need to argue their case.

I can personally guarantee there is little trash-talking of Luck on Redskins forums. There hasn't been a single Luck thread on there in weeks.

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I don't much appreciate the, excuse my pun, high horse upon which you sit. I don't speak for all Redskins fans, but I believe most of them came here simply to see how the Colts viewed RG3, largely considering it was a hot point before the season started. The only reason that many stayed was because they were peeved that such discredit what being cast upon him and felt the need to argue their case.

I can personally guarantee there is little trash-talking of Luck on Redskins forums. There hasn't been a single Luck thread on there in weeks.

 

Exactly. We don't jump on other forums to talk down your players. You guys are doing it in bus loads on here. You reap what you sow fella....

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Funny this is the first time that Colts fans and Redskins fans cared this much about the other since the franchise left Baltimore.   This Luck/RG3 craziness is kind of rekindling a dormant rivalry.  Too bad they will probably only play once every 4 years.  lol

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Exactly. We don't jump on other forums to talk down your players. You guys are doing it in bus loads on here. You reap what you sow fella....

I don't find that many of us actually talk down Luck. It's moreso we try to prop up Griffin, mainly because a lot of us can't take the asinine arguments on both sides.

Also, as evident by the second post of this thread, you guys bring it upon yourselves.

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I don't find that many of us actually talk down Luck. It's moreso we try to prop up Griffin, mainly because a lot of us can't take the asinine arguments on both sides.

Also, as evident by the second post of this thread, you guys bring it upon yourselves.

Yep.

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I don't find that many of us actually talk down Luck. It's moreso we try to prop up Griffin, mainly because a lot of us can't take the asinine arguments on both sides.

Also, as evident by the second post of this thread, you guys bring it upon yourselves.

There has clearly been more Griffin-bashing out of Colts fans than Luck-bashing out of Redskins fans, which can be expected on a COLTS board. Maybe the equation is reversed on a REDSKINS board, but I find threads like this entertaining watching people scramble with every fiber of being inside them to try to make side a look better than side b or side b look better than side a.  Some of it has been hypocritical, and that just makes it even funnier. 

 

There has been a lot of undeserved hate towards RG3, and that was happening long before a lot/most of these Skins fans started to show up, but that too is to be expected.  There have been a lot of comments made that could easily be thrown back in various faces, if the Skins win tonight vs. Dallas.

 

I'm pulling for Washington, since it is the only way the Giants have a chance at the playoffs.  More soft, lovely, and fuzzy RG3 v Luck threads is just the cherry on top. 

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What?

Seriously. This post is so absurd that I actually felt the need as a casual Redskins fan linked here by a friend to register and post. This is not an RG3 vs Luck for ROTY award thread so I'm not going to drop a ton of stats on you (rates of TDs or INTs relative to number of attempts, which everyone here seems to be missing), and I know that it's somewhat OT, however, you have decided "Colts had major cap issues here" similar to the Redskins, when that is just completely, utterly, irresponsibly false.

Now, let me say first and foremost, I don't particularly care for the Schaub pick for the Pro Bowl. That said, since this thread has already devolved into yet another RG3 vs Luck thread, I'm not going to delve into who was more deserving and who is a snub. However, I really must take issue with the proposition that the Colts have had "major cap issues" somehow similar to those of the Redskins. It's your own team's fault for handing out bad contracts to players, creating your so-called "dead money". However, EVERY team has those problems. It does enter the discussion when you're talking about who played better than who. Everyone has ~120 million in cap space per year so spend as they so choose on a rolling basis. Well, everyone except the Redskins and Cowboys, that is. Which brings me to the following:

When you are penalized 18 million per year for two years, arbitrarily, by the owner of a division rival, please come back and tell us about how your cap situation is a mess. Until then, recognize that the Redskins are operating at a budget that is 15% less than that of every other NFL team except the Cowboys, and that money has furthermore been used to bolster the rosters of every other team in the NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a421db/article/available-salarycap-space-for-all-32-nfl-teams

That link provides you with the total amount of spending each team could do before the season. It takes into account the cap penalties imposed on the Redskins, who after that subtraction has a shade over 6 million in cap space remaining. That means that 75% of the Redskins available salary cap space to spend on free agency and signing our own players was arbitrarily snatched away by a scumbag owner of a division rival's team. When that happens to the Colts, we can talk about cap issues.

I'm not delving into QBR and statistical arguments because RG3 absolutely annihilates Luck in every single statistical category, but seriously, CAP ISSUES? Stop. Just stop.

Are you unaware 38 million is much more than 18 million

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I don't find that many of us actually talk down Luck. It's moreso we try to prop up Griffin, mainly because a lot of us can't take the asinine arguments on both sides.

Also, as evident by the second post of this thread, you guys bring it upon yourselves.

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Are you unaware 38 million is much more than 18 million

I think the point he's attempting to make is that the 38 million is self inflicted and he feels the 18 million is a penalty headlined by the Giants owner instead of by Washington or Dallas cutting players and creating the dead cap hit.

 

You are right though 38 > 18x2.

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I'm not one to downplay RGIII. And saying that he has a more complete offense is not downplaying him. Saying that luck didn't get in because of INTs is a load of s*** IMO. The way I see it RGIII deserved to get in to the probowl. But luck deserved it as well. With NO offensive line, NO running game, and almost half of the team is made up of rookies he most certainly deserved to make the probowl. That's what everyone is up in arms about. The only reason people are whining about RGIII is because he was drafted in the same year. Otherwise people wouldn't try and knock against him. Not saying its right of people to do so but that's the reason. I'm over it. On to the playoffs!

I thik Luck had a great year this yaer...He's been asked to do a ton...And you can make an argument for him being in the pro bowl for sure.  I would have no problem if he was selected to the Prob Bowl.  My issue is that people act like Matt Schabe doesnt belong in there and that Luck was snubbed from the Pro Bowl.  To say that Luck was snubbed would mean that someone else got in over him that wasnt deserving.  Schabe has had a great year.  He deserved to go.

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