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Watching the Tostitos Fiesta bowl.. Lucks offensive line is giving him all sorts of time. This kid is commanding the offense like Manning did for us in Indy. He's making such great throws and is on

Point. Also they just mentioned he was 27-0 in the redone with zero turnovers.. I'm just thinking with a line and a good running back and some solid receivers.. This kid will light up the score boards in every stadium.. I'm so excited about the future.

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Watching the Tostitos Fiesta bowl.. Lucks offensive line is giving him all sorts of time. This kid is commanding the offense like Manning did for us in Indy. He's making such great throws and is on

Point. Also they just mentioned he was 27-0 in the redone with zero turnovers.. I'm just thinking with a line and a good running back and some solid receivers.. This kid will light up the score boards in every stadium.. I'm so excited about the future.

 

 

Did you go into a time machine and go back a year ? 

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Did you go into a time machine and go back a year ? 

 

 

It's on ESPN Classic ......    ;)

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I'm excited about the future as well. We've seen how well Luck has played behind a bad O-line. If all goes well, the O-line will only get better as we have more drafts and more cap space next year. I also forgot that Ben Ijalana was placed on IR this year. I have hopes for him and it now looks like he can be considered as a "freebee" since he was out all this year but will come next year and add to our O-line depth, or possibly start. Same goes for Chapman on the D-line.

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Some "Solid" WR's?? He really didn't have those when he was in Stanford. But get him an oline and he'll work his magic

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Some "Solid" WR's?? He really didn't have those when he was in Stanford. But get him an oline and he'll work his magic

 

 

That's the point.   He didn't have solid WR's at Stanford.   He's got them, and some quality TE's with Indy.   And we're coming along with a decent running game (slowly)

 

But what we need is an OL.   Stanford's OL was practically dominant.  Give Luck an above average OL and a more QB friendly system,  and you won't recognize him in the years to come.     Whatever you've seen and liked from his this year,  all you've seen is the Tip of the Iceberg from what he's capable of.    He's barely scratched the surface.

 

Seriously.      :thmup:

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NFL Defenses > College Defenses

But I do agree with you when he gets a solid oline I think he will be pretty darn good.

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Luck is good. Even I have been harsh recently about how he has been playing.

 

But it all starts up front. And Luck has played great with basically 2 NFL caliber players on the offensive line.

 

All this offense needs is lineman. We have good WRs in Wayne, Hilton, Avery, and Brazil. Two future star TEs in Allen and Fleener. And a star in Vick Ballard out of the backfield.

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It's a good thing he's smart, if he was stupid he'd have forgotten what a pocket was by now.

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You guys need Harbaugh or Shaw more than you need WRs, RBs, or OL.

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NFL Defenses > College Defenses

But I do agree with you when he gets a solid oline I think he will be pretty darn good.

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NFL Defenses > College Defenses

But I do agree with you when he gets a solid oline I think he will be pretty darn good.

"NFL Defenses > College Defenses"

^ Not according to the people who said Alabama could beat an NFL Team

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I think people need to pay attention to what they are looking at.  People are looking at Luck in his last year at Stanford when he had been around and played against college football defenses for three years.  This is his first go around in the NFL and some seem like they are already expecting him to be a master of what he's doing.  Frankly he has played extremely well for a rookie QB.  Which is exactly what he is.  He's not Peyton Manning that has been around for years, heck he's not even Jim Harbaugh who came here as a vet QB.  He's learning as he goes and normally when you learn you learn by making mistakes.  My only concern with Luck is how beat up we are getting him.  You can shake a young QB's confidence if you subject him to this kind of punishment over the long haul.  With that said Grigson has already shown he's not scared to make moves to address areas of weakness so i fully expect an o-line overhaul this off-season.  I think you keep Castonzo to build around and maybe a guy like Reitz (although his ability to stay healthy is a legit concern) but I would look for them to look for other players at the other positions this off-season. 

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"NFL Defenses > College Defenses"

^ Not according to the people who said Alabama could beat an NFL Team

and the world will also end tomorrow :)

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Did you go into a time machine and go back a year ? 

 

Time machine... Hmm, I could do a lot with that...

 

Edit: Alright, I'm back from the future. We win the Superbowl two years from now. Otherwise, nothing much.

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You guys need Harbaugh or Shaw more than you need WRs, RBs, or OL.

No they need a Redskin type running game....

 

ask Kirk C.......    just sayin..   :thmup:

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The future does look great. Luck is doing so much more than i expected him to do in his first year. The only thing the colts need is this season and a good off season to gain that chemistry great teams have.

Its good to be a COLTS fan!

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You guys need Harbaugh or Shaw more than you need WRs, RBs, or OL.

 

 

True.   No question.

 

But they've laid out the blueprint for success at Stanford.   We're going to be bigger, stronger and much, much tougher than most everyone we play.    We'll rarely have superior athlete's to a school like Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama or LSU.

 

But with most everyone playing some kind of spread and passing a lot and not running as much,  Stanford is going to punish you for four quarters.   We're going to run between the tackles and over the course of a game,  it's going to take a toll on you.   Our OL and DL are big, strong and very tough.

 

And, as we've become more successful,  we're getting better athletes, which is how we're matching up with Notre Dame, Oregon and USC.

 

We're still the best kept secret in college football.   We get very little respect.   And we're OK with that.   For now.   

 

But, counting this year,  we've been to 3 straight BCS Bowl games.   Orange in 2011, Fiesta in 2012 and Rose in 2013.   There are only 1 or 2 other schools that can make that claim.     And here's an early tip.....    we think we'll be better next year!    :thmup:

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True.   No question.

 

But they've laid out the blueprint for success at Stanford.   We're going to be bigger, stronger and much, much tougher than most everyone we play.    We'll rarely have superior athlete's to a school like Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama or LSU.

 

But with most everyone playing some kind of spread and passing a lot and not running as much,  Stanford is going to punish you for four quarters.   We're going to run between the tackles and over the course of a game,  it's going to take a toll on you.   Our OL and DL are big, strong and very tough.

 

And, as we've become more successful,  we're getting better athletes, which is how we're matching up with Notre Dame, Oregon and USC.

 

We're still the best kept secret in college football.   We get very little respect.   And we're OK with that.   For now.   

 

But, counting this year,  we've been to 3 straight BCS Bowl games.   Orange in 2011, Fiesta in 2012 and Rose in 2013.   There are only 1 or 2 other schools that can make that claim.     And here's an early tip.....    we think we'll be better next year!    :thmup:

Next year we may see a little bit of Barry J. Sanders. I'm excited to see him play.

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You guys need Harbaugh or Shaw more than you need WRs, RBs, or OL.

I disagree with this. There are times when a defender comes flying through, untouched. 3 step drops aren't going to fix blocking ineptitude.

We need a better line. Right now, it consists of:

1) a promising LT.

2) a UDFA G who is showing some signs of promise.

3) And a handful of guys who no one else really wanted.

We've gotten some fair blocking this year, but we've also had some majorly missed assignments. Our QB is getting killed, and is unable to step into his throws (according to our interim HC/OC Arians).

You can say what you want about our offensive system, but NO system is going to be successful when you can't block. Right now, we have a handful of plays that are executed well from a blocking standpoint. We have a good amount that are blocked for quite poorly, and Luck is moving a tremendous amount to buy time for a throw. If we could block better, he'd be doing a lot better, regardless of system.

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I disagree with this. There are times when a defender comes flying through, untouched. 3 step drops aren't going to fix blocking ineptitude.

We need a better line. Right now, it consists of:

1) a promising LT.

2) a UDFA G who is showing some signs of promise.

3) And a handful of guys who no one else really wanted.

We've gotten some fair blocking this year, but we've also had some majorly missed assignments. Our QB is getting killed, and is unable to step into his throws (according to our interim HC/OC Arians).

You can say what you want about our offensive system, but NO system is going to be successful when you can't block. Right now, we have a handful of plays that are executed well from a blocking standpoint. We have a good amount that are blocked for quite poorly, and Luck is moving a tremendous amount to buy time for a throw. If we could block better, he'd be doing a lot better, regardless of system.

 

You guys definitely need to invest in the offensive line, no question.  However, when I watch the All-22 it's poor scheming that jumps out at me even more than the poor blocking.  The scheme puts a tremendous amount of pressure on each individual in that offense to execute because it doesn't make good use of deception, it doesn't have receivers running patterns designed to get guys open and in space quickly, it doesn't do a good job of maintaining the threat of the run throughout games, and it doesn't utilize Luck's outstanding mobility particularly well.

 

There are things your offensive staff could be doing to cover up the inadequacies of your line while you guys continue to re-build.  Their failure to do anything of the sort does not inspire confidence.

 

True.   No question.

 

But they've laid out the blueprint for success at Stanford.   We're going to be bigger, stronger and much, much tougher than most everyone we play.    We'll rarely have superior athlete's to a school like Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama or LSU.

 

But with most everyone playing some kind of spread and passing a lot and not running as much,  Stanford is going to punish you for four quarters.   We're going to run between the tackles and over the course of a game,  it's going to take a toll on you.   Our OL and DL are big, strong and very tough.

 

And, as we've become more successful,  we're getting better athletes, which is how we're matching up with Notre Dame, Oregon and USC.

 

We're still the best kept secret in college football.   We get very little respect.   And we're OK with that.   For now.   

 

But, counting this year,  we've been to 3 straight BCS Bowl games.   Orange in 2011, Fiesta in 2012 and Rose in 2013.   There are only 1 or 2 other schools that can make that claim.     And here's an early tip.....    we think we'll be better next year!    :thmup:

 

Being somewhat of a contrarian can be a good way to stay ahead of the game when you're disadvantaged in some way, that's for sure.  We're seeing somewhat of the same thing this year in the NFL with the 9ers, Seahawks, Vikings, Texans, and Skins having a good deal of success as considerably more run heavy offenses than has been the norm the last several years.

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NFL Defenses > College Defenses

But I do agree with you when he gets a solid oline I think he will be pretty darn good.

Well, for what its worth, so are offenses, special teams, strength training......

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You guys definitely need to invest in the offensive line, no question.  However, when I watch the All-22 it's poor scheming that jumps out at me even more than the poor blocking.  The scheme puts a tremendous amount of pressure on each individual in that offense to execute because it doesn't make good use of deception, it doesn't have receivers running patterns designed to get guys open and in space quickly, it doesn't do a good job of maintaining the threat of the run throughout games, and it doesn't utilize Luck's outstanding mobility particularly well.

 

There are things your offensive staff could be doing to cover up the inadequacies of your line while you guys continue to re-build.  Their failure to do anything of the sort does not inspire confidence.

 

 

Being somewhat of a contrarian can be a good way to stay ahead of the game when you're disadvantaged in some way, that's for sure.  We're seeing somewhat of the same thing this year in the NFL with the 9ers, Seahawks, Vikings, Texans, and Skins having a good deal of success as considerably more run heavy offenses than has been the norm the last several years.

As of right now, they're in the implementation phase.

From what I've seen, there is a pretty good blend of short, intermediate, and long range passes. They hit Wayne a LOT underneath, and won a game with a nice little screen out to Ballard in over time.

As of right now, this team has 9 wins, and that is largely due to our defense finishing games, and our offense winning in the final drive.

I am sure there is truth in what you say, but the reality of the situation is that we are nearly a playoff team now with a completely new front office and coaching staff, and a mostly new team. That speaks volumes. Further, I cannot put much against BA when he's taken on a job that wasn't his earlier this year.

To me, if we can improve the offensive line, maybe add one more threat, we should be pretty darned good on offense.

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Luck was 27-31 for about 360 yards,  3 TD's and 1 int.

 

We out-gained Oklahoma State by nearly 200 yards.

 

Our kicker, who was injured,  missed 3 make-able field goals.  

 

That's how Stanford lost.    It certainly wasn't Andrew.

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So... Luck throws a lot of accurate passes between 5-10 yards, and timely shots down the field. He called his own plays, he should get more clout over his playbook next year and change/add some things. 

 

Stoopid rookies  :huthut:

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Luck played well during most of his career but I thought he struggled a bit down the stretch. Stanford is always more of a power running team so when teams shut down the run (especially in that Oregon game) he started to look less than impressive.

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