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#41 PrincetonTiger

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

Could Brown and/or Carter be trade bait in the offseason?
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#42 Gavin

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

Could Brown and/or Carter be trade bait in the offseason?

probably but we would not get much for them considering

1.Browns injury this year
2.Carters lack of carries this year (In other words teams would not have alot to go on if one showed some interest)
3.Brown being asked to share the load this year instead of seeing if he can be a feature Back (pre injury)
4.Also Carter has shown fumble problems in limited carries

I dont think taking on there contracts however would be an issue for most teams, Both come cheap if I remember right

all just my opinion of course

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

Could Brown and/or Carter be trade bait in the offseason?


There is literally no value for RB's on the trade market, especially for injury prone, midling talents like Brown and Carter have shown to be.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

both RBs will be back next year, but ballard might win the starting job for next season if he hasnt already..

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:58 PM

Im hoping carter doesn't fumble

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

No way does Brown get cut in the offseason. He is our fastest back, he can juke guys out of their shoes, and his blocking is top notch. Re-signing him the following offseason is a different story, but he will be on the roster next year.


His cap hit goes up to $2.225m next season. He also has a roster bonus of $320k due on June 1. Not a big deal, and if we wanted we could renegotiate it before next season, but he's not exactly "cheap" in 2013. Dead cap hit if we release him is $200k, and depending on release date, that could be pushed into the 2012 cap and we'd be free and clear in 2013.

I think I would keep him, but try to renegotiate.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:25 PM

His cap hit goes up to $2.225m next season. He also has a roster bonus of $320k due on June 1. Not a big deal, and if we wanted we could renegotiate it before next season, but he's not exactly "cheap" in 2013. Dead cap hit if we release him is $200k, and depending on release date, that could be pushed into the 2012 cap and we'd be free and clear in 2013.

I think I would keep him, but try to renegotiate.


I didn't realize his cap hit was that much....thought it more on the low 1m side, but I agree that's still not too big of a deal. I don't know much about contract negotiations, but does what you're saying imply we would extend him and he'd be cheaper?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:10 PM

Why not give Vick Ballard, my favorite player on the team, a shot? He's great!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:21 PM

I don't see the point of cutting either loose. That means more of the dredded 'dead cap' money just for the privilege of cutting them, then you have to turn right around and sign someone to replace them who's just as good. So, they should cost roughly the same money to sign them.

So, in essence, you've spent twice the money to get rid of one guy and replace him with another guy. But you want to cut two running backs to replace them both. That's twice the money for both.

I don't think this is an effective use of our cap money.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:22 PM

Should of signed Addai, he's still got some gas left in the tank


Gas in the tank, but zero knowledge of the playbook

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:13 PM

No way we let go of Brown, unless he has a really bad MRI and there are many ligaments twisted and torn beyond repair with blood oozing out of holes left from the surgery and the only other way would be if the doctors butcher his surgery or use the wrong instruments and bungle things up and get mal-practice suits filed against them, and on and on. And besides, his wedding was beautiful and his bride was fantastic and all of that and how could we let him go??

#52 Superman

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:43 AM

I didn't realize his cap hit was that much....thought it more on the low 1m side, but I agree that's still not too big of a deal. I don't know much about contract negotiations, but does what you're saying imply we would extend him and he'd be cheaper?


Yes, but in this case, you don't even have to extend him to lower his cap hit. You can renegotiate his base salary (1.75m) and/or roster bonus and reduce them. He's not making that much on either, so even that is unlikely.
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#53 Superman

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:47 AM

I don't see the point of cutting either loose. That means more of the dredded 'dead cap' money just for the privilege of cutting them, then you have to turn right around and sign someone to replace them who's just as good. So, they should cost roughly the same money to sign them.

So, in essence, you've spent twice the money to get rid of one guy and replace him with another guy. But you want to cut two running backs to replace them both. That's twice the money for both.

I don't think this is an effective use of our cap money.


Every team has dead cap hits, so it's not that big of a deal. Brown's would only be 200k, so nothing to worry about.

On top of that, if we released him prior to the start of the 2013 league year (sometime in early March), we could assing that dead cap hit to the 2012 cap, and be entirely free and clear in 2013.

I think I would prefer to keep him, at least through training camp. Even at his 2.225m cap hit. It doesn't sound like he has a significant injury, so he should be able to perform come July/August. And used properly, he's a weapon.
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#54 Ryan Pelley

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

Oh no! What are we going to do without their 5 yards on 15 carries per game! :barf:

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:16 AM

Oh no! What are we going to do without their 5 yards on 15 carries per game! :barf:

Glad you never had a chance to do my math homework in school :funny: :scratch:

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:16 AM

Every team has dead cap hits, so it's not that big of a deal. Brown's would only be 200k, so nothing to worry about.

On top of that, if we released him prior to the start of the 2013 league year (sometime in early March), we could assing that dead cap hit to the 2012 cap, and be entirely free and clear in 2013.

I think I would prefer to keep him, at least through training camp. Even at his 2.225m cap hit. It doesn't sound like he has a significant injury, so he should be able to perform come July/August. And used properly, he's a weapon.


Yes.... sorry, if it wasn't clear from my post, that's my preference too... I don't think we're going to do better than DB or DC and so getting rid of them seems to be self-defeating from my perspective.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:51 AM

Vick had been playing better and getting the majority of the carries anyway.

Good luck to Brown, I hope he rehabs fast!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

Donald Brown is no loss, he is mediocre and always will be. No harm done with him warming the bench.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:56 AM

I don't think we'll get rid of Brown since he has a year left on his contract. I was starting to come around and believe he was getting over the hump, but dang man, how many games does he miss a year? Does anyone know?

I'm not a fan of Moore. His running was pretty abysmal. Wasn't he supposed to be a 3rd down specialist?
I don't care if he's good at pass blocking, if that's all you are going to use a RB for then call Addai off his couch.

I hope Carter can get it together. I like his bowling ball style of running. He hasn't played much other than being used for goal line situations, and this was his time to shine.

Here's hoping that Ballard stays healthy because I really like him.

Karim......we'll see.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:58 AM

I don't think we'll get rid of Brown since he has a year left on his contract. I was starting to come around and believe he was getting over the hump, but dang man, how many games does he miss a year? Does anyone know?

I'm not a fan of Moore. His running was pretty abysmal. Wasn't he supposed to be a 3rd down specialist?
I don't care if he's good at pass blocking, if that's all you are going to use a RB for then call Addai off his couch.

I hope Carter can get it together. I like his bowling ball style of running. He hasn't played much other than being used for goal line situations, and this was his time to shine.

Here's hoping that Ballard stays healthy because I really like him.

Karim......we'll see.


According to some reports Carter is also injured, so Ballard is our only RB ready to play right now.

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#61 PrincetonTiger

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:03 AM

Vick had been playing better and getting the majority of the carries anyway.

Good luck to Brown, I hope he rehabs fast!


agreed
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:00 AM

Running Backs that were drafted after Brown in 2009. Beanie Wells, McCoy, Foster. Stay hot Bill Polian

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:25 PM

Donald Brown is no loss, he is mediocre and always will be. No harm done with him warming the bench.


I guess we'll see about that Sunday....

we really have no one behind Ballard and he's already hurt

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:28 PM

Running Backs that were drafted after Brown in 2009. Beanie Wells, McCoy, Foster. Stay hot Bill Polian


you can do that with any player in the NFL.

.....how about defensive ends that were picked before Robert Mathis the year he came out

none of the back you mentioned would have gained 1,00 yards with the Colts...obviously

#65 chrisfarley

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:54 PM

Donald Brown had a nice wedding, but not so much a career.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:35 PM

Dont be surprised when you all are seeing how good Brown can be behind an NFL caliber O Line with another team and you guys are all shaking your heads wondering why we let him go

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:19 AM

I shake my head when I watch Foster play and know he was gotten as a undrafted FA and we got Brown :facepalm:

All those emoticons and no shacking heads :facepalm:

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:24 AM

I shake my head when I watch Foster play and know he was gotten as a undrafted FA and we got Brown :facepalm:

All those emoticons and no shacking heads :facepalm:



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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

No way does Brown get cut in the offseason. He is our fastest back, he can juke guys out of their shoes, and his blocking is top notch. Re-signing him the following offseason is a different story, but he will be on the roster next year.


true words...and he's never lost a fumble in the NFL....already under contract...he'll be back.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 11:00 AM

Wonder what that power house Kenton Keith is up to these days? 


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#71 PrincetonTiger

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

Wonder what that power house Kenton Keith is up to these days? 

He was playing in the UFL but he may be unemployed there to since it looks like the league may go belly up.


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#72 Carlos Danger

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

I like DB and agree with many of you who think that there aren't many backs who could have thrived behind our terrible O Line, it was a bad decision by Polian to draft any RB in the 1st knowing that we had pass protection specialists and scrubs in the trenches... With the current state of our line, it would be similarly short sighted for Grigs to draft a RB in early rounds or spend $$ on one in FA. I think Brown will play for us next year...

Moore is not excellent, but he is sufficient. His pass protection skills have always been very good, but he is average at best in all other phases of the game. I hope Moore gets the snaps to spell Ballard over Carter.

Carter might be a bruiser (although he hasn't shown much with the limited opportunities he's been given), but he fumbles far too often. I cringe whenever he is in the game because he loses the ball and he looks lost in protection. I hope Carter can turn it around in a hurry, but he isn't a very comforting option atm...

This week might be very rough if we do not pick up some yards on the ground. I think VB has the potential to do his part, but what about Link and the motley crew of jokers that we will employ throughout the game along the line? IDK about that, but I'd say that shoring up our Offensive Line should be our biggest off-season priority if we don't want Indy to be the place where Half Backs come to die.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

Go Vick Go


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#74 Carlos Danger

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:24 PM

Just realized/remembered that Carter is out for 2-3 weeks, so ignore the parts of my post that don't match up with that reality...

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:34 PM

is brown done with the colts?

is a good question


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#76 PrincetonTiger

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

is a good question

agreed


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