Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

tyvon19

Irsay is a genius

34 posts in this topic

all this talk about luck, arians, wayne but

gotta give credit to irsay for believing in luck, this organization, the fans, and setting us up for maybe another ten or fifteen years. who thought after releasing manning we would be back in the playoff hunt with a franchise qb. I didnt. i admit i said bad things about irsay but now i know i was wrong.

on top of that he got grigson who drafted a lot of great players, arians has been brilliant etc.

kudos to irsay

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I give credit to Irsay! key additon has to be Grigson i mean to draft players that all will have an impact soon (Chapman) and have made key plays for us already. and this was his first draft we have yet to really see what this team will look like in 2 seasons... heck even next season.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay has been classy this whole time and has done what is best for the franchise. He was on the receiving end of many cruel jokes and unnecessary comments, but he did what he believes is best for his franchise and so far, the team is doing well. It also looks as though Grigson is going to be a solid GM and Pagano was an excellent hire too.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay is truly one of the greatest owners in all of pro sports.

Imagine if we were stuck with the Chiefs, Lions, or Chargers owners? We've got it good here in Indy.

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay has been classy this whole time and has done what is best for the franchise. He was on the receiving end of many cruel jokes and unnecessary comments, but he did what he believes is best for his franchise and so far, the team is doing well. It also looks as though Grigson is going to be a solid GM and Pagano was an excellent hire too.

Ohh yeah I knew many people that literally hated him after the realease of Manning and so many other beloved players. However, they do not dislike him anymore lol.

I myself personally never really doubted or disliked him. I was always neutral on the situation. It was difficult but I always tried to remain neutral. Some people just completely hated him and I'm sure many pure Peyton Fans still do, who probably became Broncos fans lol. I know a woman like that actually.

I like seeing Manning doing well for Denver and the Colts playing well definitely helped ease the transition. If the Colts had 2-3 wins, it would be somewhat understandable but it would make the fact that we released Manning and scraped the offense that much harder. Winning cures all.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay is truly one of the greatest owners in all of pro sports.

Imagine if we were stuck with the Chiefs, Lions, or Chargers owners? We've got it good here in Indy.

You forgot having JJ as an owner

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's just funny now because i remember so many people were calling for Irsays head after he released Manning. But Irsay isn't like other owners. Hes in touch with the game and its fans and understands the balance of the NFL universe as crazy as that sounds.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

all this talk about luck, arians, wayne but

gotta give credit to irsay for believing in luck, this organization, the fans, and setting us up for maybe another ten or fifteen years. who thought after releasing manning we would be back in the playoff hunt with a franchise qb. I didnt. i admit i said bad things about irsay but now i know i was wrong.

on top of that he got grigson who drafted a lot of great players, arians has been brilliant etc.

kudos to irsay

Were you one of the people who thought Irsay was a jerk back in January? I personally always had faith.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's just funny now because i remember so many people were calling for Irsays head after he released Manning.

I remember wanting to strangle people on here after Manning left. Now they're carrying around Luck's jock and wear it around their heads. :woah:

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay is definitely one of the top five owners in the NFL. I would put him right up there with the Steelers, Patriots, and Packers ownership. He made a tough decision letting Manning go, but the right one, this franchise needed an overhaul and he did it at the right time. What have the Colts had, three losing seasons under his ownership? How many teams can say that in 17 years? When he got the team they were the laughing stock of the NFL, now they are one of the top franchises with a solid fanbase.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There have been a number of stories over the last ten years or so how Mr. Irsay followed, studied with great interest, how the older great owners succeded.

He started under his Dad, who was a pretty poor example, and has clearly learned well how to Lead an NFL Organization.

Say what we want about how the Polian era needed to come to a close, but Bill was a BIG part of building a REAL Monster and a Solid Organization.

Watching this go on for so many years, I am sure was a Big Help to Mr. Irsay putting some Real Granite under his Knowledge base and his Wisdom to Lead.

The CAP Problem he faced was something other Teams had faced many times before. I am sure it had been a topic of discussion for many years as they decided who of the veterans to resign for Bigger $$$ and how much closer it would bring them to CAP Armageddon.

Looking at our Pricey aging "Stars", Cap He**, and injured CAP UNFRIENDLY QB, and Andrew Luck, his decision to Clean the Slate was timely & a Winner.

It is always a crap-shoot in the NFL.

But when you look at the Results of his choices that followed, I can only say, Dude, I really appreciate having you as the Leader/Owner of Our Indy Colts!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay has been classy this whole time and has done what is best for the franchise. He was on the receiving end of many cruel jokes and unnecessary comments, but he did what he believes is best for his franchise and so far, the team is doing well. It also looks as though Grigson is going to be a solid GM and Pagano was an excellent hire too.

There were even fans with such a lack of empathy that they sent threatening texts about his person and more. That sickened me.

Thank you Jim for all that you have done.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did Irsay hire another troll?

Whats with all the pro irsay threads this week?

After a win like that this past Sunday you're really wondering that? That #12 guy who has led all these come backs in this wild successful season was hand picked by Irsay. Your response almost makes me think you're bitter about something toward our owner?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay is most decidedly NOT a genius. He's a copycat, more than anything else. He followed the same blueprint good owners have been following for at least the last decade: hire a good personnel guy, hire a reputable coach, let them fill their staff and roster, make measured money decisions, and cheer like heck. This is the same thing Arthur Blank did in 2008, same thing Bob Kraft has done in New England, same thing the Maras and Rooneys do. And in contrast, it's exactly what Jerry Jones and Woody Johnson and Al Davis refuse to do.

He is undoubtedly a good owner, and an astute businessman.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would give him more credit than that. The whole way the illness to our coach has been handled is a testimate to Jim Irsay. His decisions to change Coltstrong to Chuckstrong were very smart, in many ways. It showed the coach himself the kind of support that this fanbase and community is capable of and it has solidified the Indy region for years to come it appears. That was a move not may owners would have made. His decision to state to the community that he had no intentions of moving the team to L.A. was also a smart move that I wouldn't hold my breath for owners to make.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I would give him more credit than that. The whole way the illness to our coach has been handled is a testimate to Jim Irsay. His decisions to change Coltstrong to Chuckstrong were very smart, in many ways. It showed the coach himself the kind of support that this fanbase and community is capable of and it has solidified the Indy region for years to come it appears. That was a move not may owners would have made. His decision to state to the community that he had no intentions of moving the team to L.A. was also a smart move that I wouldn't hold my breath for owners to make.

All of that makes him a good owner. I think he's among the very best in the league, and in pro sports. I don't think any of it makes him a genius. He made common sense decisions that have been made before, recently.

The only unprecedented move was the Manning release, and the jury is still out on that. Not only that, but part of the reason he was stuck with the Manning decision was the questionable structure of the contract to begin with. He and Polian (and Condon) kind of painted themselves into a corner, forcing a move to be made. I respect his decision with Manning, but there was nothing genius about it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Guess we see it differently. There are many good owners in the league, but I do not believe they would have handled it the way Jim did. I also don't think that he painted himself into a corner with the Manning contract. I think it was a "call" situation, and Peyton looked him and Bill in the eye and said, "I'll be ready to play". BTW, I think he meant it.

So...perhaps genius isn't the descriptive word, but he is far from just a good owner. He is a rare, smart, savvy, gutsy, and classy owner. There are few owners in the NFL that I would give all those descriptions to. That is my opinion that will not likely change.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wasn't very fond of him releasing PM but he had the foresight to pull the trigger. Gotta give him credit.

Edit: I also think the PM situation could've backfired in a NY minute if it also hadn't of been for PM being the gracious person he is too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wasn't very fond of him releasing PM but he had the foresight to pull the trigger. Gotta give him credit.

Edit: I also think the PM situation could've backfired in a NY minute if it also hadn't of been for PM being the gracious person he is too.

How so?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Gavin

I just imagine that most other BIG stars play the circus CONSIDERABLY MORE than PM. Whether it be for leverage on a contract or just fan support, I think PM handled it with grace whereas i Imagine if it had been a few of these other QBs, they'd of made a bigger deal about it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Gavin

I just imagine that most other BIG stars play the circus CONSIDERABLY MORE than PM. Whether it be for leverage on a contract or just fan support, I think PM handled it with grace whereas i Imagine if it had been a few of these other QBs, they'd of made a bigger deal about it.

Im not so sure he did not play it for fan support, for money? no, fan support perhaps, The reason I say that was because of the "everyone walking around on eggshells" comment which I believe, thats not what I question and we found out everyone had a right to walk around like that, but to make a public comment like that and not keep it behind closed doors seemed like a well played strategy at the time to me but however we all look at it, everyone probably sees it a little different its all in the past, its worked out for both sides

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Guess we see it differently. There are many good owners in the league, but I do not believe they would have handled it the way Jim did. I also don't think that he painted himself into a corner with the Manning contract. I think it was a "call" situation, and Peyton looked him and Bill in the eye and said, "I'll be ready to play". BTW, I think he meant it.

So...perhaps genius isn't the descriptive word, but he is far from just a good owner. He is a rare, smart, savvy, gutsy, and classy owner. There are few owners in the NFL that I would give all those descriptions to. That is my opinion that will not likely change.

Nice job of putting a Christmas bow on the whole situation in INDY there Warhorse! Well said... :thmup::colts:Yoda, AKA Peyton Manning, never jokes about NFL football. haha Ready to play indeed...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irsay's choice of Grigson was genius but Irsay's twitter account proves he is not a "genius". Seriously, he did protect the horseshoe by moving forward and not living in the past, that was a smart decision.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did Irsay hire another troll?

Whats with all the pro irsay threads this week?

That made me lol.....remember dn4192? Talk about a cush gig....paid internet troll.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Guess we see it differently. There are many good owners in the league, but I do not believe they would have handled it the way Jim did. I also don't think that he painted himself into a corner with the Manning contract. I think it was a "call" situation, and Peyton looked him and Bill in the eye and said, "I'll be ready to play". BTW, I think he meant it.

So...perhaps genius isn't the descriptive word, but he is far from just a good owner. He is a rare, smart, savvy, gutsy, and classy owner. There are few owners in the NFL that I would give all those descriptions to. That is my opinion that will not likely change.

I think I'd agree with the bolded, for the most part. I just wouldn't say "genius."

Regarding the Manning contract, they could have simply changed the date the option bonus was to be paid on. If it had been due in June instead of in March, even if the decision to release him was the same, the team would have avoided having such a large dead cap hit. And so on. I don't think I'll ever be critical of the decision; that's not fair. But if they -- meaning Irsay, Polian and Condon -- had been more prudent, they could have avoided some of the contract trouble that Manning's release has caused. It's not a big deal, but it could have been done better.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think I'd agree with the bolded, for the most part. I just wouldn't say "genius."

Regarding the Manning contract, they could have simply changed the date the option bonus was to be paid on. If it had been due in June instead of in March, even if the decision to release him was the same, the team would have avoided having such a large dead cap hit. And so on. I don't think I'll ever be critical of the decision; that's not fair. But if they -- meaning Irsay, Polian and Condon -- had been more prudent, they could have avoided some of the contract trouble that Manning's release has caused. It's not a big deal, but it could have been done better.

could have been done better from a pr perspective as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

could have been done better from a pr perspective as well.

Maybe. I think Irsay probably said some things he regretted, from January to March. But no matter what, he never would have won the PR battle there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

However, Genius isn't too off when considering the hires of Grigson and Pagano. We'll visit this again next season. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Honestly,   I don't think the owners saw this coming.....   Hard for me to say one way or the other if the players did.....      Dunno.....  
    • Colts should be 2-2 after Sunday. 28-17 Colts. If they lose, Pagano should be fired on the spot and Grigson should join him.      
    • Great character guy, no question, full of Colts traits. I wish it would translate to his production on the field. I might be mistaken but with all the decade long complaints on how the Colts defense is soft by default... don't you think that our team would need at least a few guys who are not so nice in private but are cruel beasts on the field?
    • "So, who's the guy?...This is his problem too. You understand that right?...He's not the one who's pregnant. He'd be crapping his pants if he were. He'd find the money if he thought he was gonna swell up like a watermelon...Let's go see him."   "Why didn't you use a condom [Cam]? Or for humanity's sake get a vasectomy? Give us half the money. [Strikes Cam between his legs hard with a hockey stick]. You know, I liked your boyfriend. He's very special. Very charismatic."   "You know, you have a real anger problem. No, no, I don't. I have an caboose hole problem. When people are caboose holes to my granddaughter, I get angry."   "Hi sweetheart, you know there's a world out there that doesn't need to be filled with hate & narrow mindedness. [Pow, right in the kisser. A little girl punches Grandma Elle right in the eye].    I just saw a 2015 drama called "Grandma" about a young 18 yr old woman named Sage [Julia Garner] & her 70 something grandmother named Elle Reid [Lily Tomlin] who needs a huge favor. Sage desperately needs $630 as soon as possible. What for you ask? A car payment? A student loan payment? A gambling debt? Well, let's just say a medical procedure is required. Before I go any further, I must say this. This 1 hour & 19 minute feature film directed by Paul Weitz deals with the issue of terminating a pregnancy as a central theme in this flick.   Relax, I am not here to make any moral declarations about the right to an abortion in this country or speak for or against a woman's decision to bring a child into this world or not. All my audience needs to know is that this storyline revolves around a scared young woman & how her grandmother & mother help Sage raise the funds for the procedure, remind her that she's not going thru this ordeal alone, & come together during this crisis as a family making their bond of love stronger than ever.    Now, don't get it twisted. This movie isn't some cheesy Hallmark channel cinematic exercise in foolish sentimentality okay. As a matter of fact, the reason I like the picture is because the main characters are so messed up & dysfunctional overall. Where do I begin? Well, for starters, Elle is a PH.D. poetry professor living in California who just broke up with her girlfriend Olivia [Judy Greer] who is half her age & has crimson red hair. She actually loves Olivia but she's breaking up with her because Elle is fearful that she is developing deep feelings for her. The reason this new relationship petrifies her so much is because Elle just lost Violent, her romantic partner from cancer over a yr ago & she didn't ever expect to feel that way ever again so Elle is down on her luck & a little depressed right now.    Sage, her only grandchild with curly blond hair, knows on her front door & begs her for a hefty sum of cash in order to get an abortion at a nearby clinic at the end of business that very day. 1 major problem though: Grandma cut up all her credit cards & turned them into a decorative wind chime outside her front door. Wonderful just wonderful. What's there next move? They drive over to her boyfriend's place for a contribution for the procedure. Cam acts like a colossal jerk acting the the child might not be his & then grandma goes into protective bear mode, hits the fool in the family jewels, & takes $50 bucks & some pot from this guy. LOL! My kinda of grandma. Sweet!    Eventually, they go to a coffee shop & later a tattoo parlor where a black woman with a nose ring named Deathy [Laverne Cox] gives Elle an O ink job on her right shoulder & $60 dollars to help Sage out. Next, grandma tries to sell some 1st edition books from her home library at a local cafe. However, she ticks off the owner by telling her that she's a gorilla because she's so darn cheap & treats her employees like indentured servants. Yep, grandma's a real charmer who knows how to make friends & influence people that's for sure. LOL!    Grandma is running out of options now. She decides to drop by Karl's [Sam Elliot] place for $500 dollars. Did I mention that Karl was an old flame of Elle's who never got over the fact that she rejected her marriage proposal to her over 3 decades ago & that she abandoned him on his boat in the middle of the night? Details; details. Sam Elliot has 1 of the coolest deep voices ever heard on the silver screen BTW. He agrees to fork over the dough for 1 last passionate kiss from Elle. But, once he hears from Sage want the $500 is really for, he rejects the offer due to religious reasons.    Only 1 thing left to do: Visit the dragon lady Sage's mother Judy [Marcia Gay Harden] at work. Judy is stern & very demanding & she's not thrilled about the news that her baby is knocked up by the 'rodent' as she calls him. We see that Judy wears the pants in this family & that even King Kong & Godzilla would cower in her presence & run away whimpering like a wounded puppy. After some yelling, Judy gives her daughter the remaining funds for the procedure. Once at the clinic, a ProLife parent & her daughter harass Sage about committing murder. Grandma turns around imploring the little girl to be more understanding & boom the little menace hit Elle in the face. It's hilarious because for once in grandma's life she tried to be kind to a stranger & then she gets knocked on the pavement pretty good. I roared with laughter. The brief scene is an absolute riot because we don't expect that to happen at all.    The cool thing about this picture is that Judy shows up at the clinic to support her daughter & that this whole incident brings Sage, Grandma, & Judy much closer as a bullheaded family prompting Elle to tell Olivia she loved her & to reconnect as a same sex couple. I guess I just like Grandma Elle because she's very protective of her family especially Sage & if you hurt her in any way, she's gonna bleep you up & come down on you like a ton of bricks. There's actually a tenderness to this film just beneath the surface that is readily apparent in it's candid honesty & steadfast loyalty particularly at the clinic & just outside of it after the procedure is over. It just feels true, genuine, & authentic. Plus, Lily Tomlin's character is an ally we all wish we had in our corner 24/7.    Let's roll with a B+ here because at the end of the day when the crap hits the fan in this crazy world we all want a grandma who is always there for us no matter what.                   
  • Welcome New Members

    • Welcome here Nils!   I can tell you, most of football fans in Hungary are Patriots fans...unfortunately. 
    • Hi, Nils here....   I know a lot of Europeans support the Patriots, but all I can say is no way man, no way!   I'm not entirely sure when I started to follow and cheer for the Colts, but I has no shame in admitting that it was when Manning begun to really shine. It was probably back in 1999 because I seem to remember that play-off game against the Titans.   I also remember the I loved how the Colts would play a beautiful offensive game whereas other teams were boring with their defensive strengths. Aaaahh, those were the days!   I was introduced to American Football during my American Politics/presidential election study in Washington D.C. in the fall of 1996 (Clinton vs Dole). Didn't really get attached to any team back then, so you can say that Redskins just left me totally uninspired.   It is a great and welcoming forum here - and that is just how I remembered America too.    
  • Members

    • James

      James 756

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • gacoop1

      gacoop1 53

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • NewColtsFan

      NewColtsFan 9,447

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Gyworks

      Gyworks 4

      New Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • SteelCityColt

      SteelCityColt 3,899

      Moderators
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Toby Northen

      Toby Northen 0

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • UKColt13

      UKColt13 571

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Colts_Fan12

      Colts_Fan12 2,184

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Swan Ronson

      Swan Ronson 70

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Bluefire4

      Bluefire4 1,090

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:

Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc.