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#1 rg3isnumber1

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:14 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:21 PM

He looks great tonight. But I'm sure many people could say the same thing when Luck broke the rookie passing yardage record for a single game. Or when he lead his team to comeback to beat the Packers. They both look great and destined to have fantastic careers. Luck fits our system, it was the right choice

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:22 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?


So, not to be Rude. But according to your Username, I take it your a "RG3 Fan". So, why be a "Colt Fan" if you're favorite QB is in DC??

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#6 chad72

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:24 PM

RG3 is the right QB for the Redskins, and Luck is the right one for the Colts.

If RG3 were put in the Arians' system, he may have more picks too because of the pass heavy offense of the Colts. Again, I am not making excuses for Luck but Arians is putting too much on the rookie's plate and that shows up in the numbers. Even when RG3 has a bad game, he is not asked to wing it as much as Luck, so the lop sided losses happen but the turnovers do not. The Redskins, because of their running game, have an advantage on the amount of risks that have to be taken on offense, IMO.

Not that Luck has nothing to do with it, but Arians' offensive system plus less help from a running game does reflect in the turnovers category, IMO. I may be called a homer for pointing these out but I do believe there is an element of truth in it. :)

RG3 is doing phenomenal, no doubt about it, and both will be very good QBs for a long time to come for their franchises.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

he had a good game against a terrible team today... back under your bridge.lol
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

RG3 is the right QB for the Redskins, and Luck is the right one for the Colts.

If RG3 were put in the Arians' system, he may have more picks too because of the pass heavy offense of the Colts. Again, I am not making excuses for Luck but Arians is putting too much on the rookie's plate and that shows up in the numbers. Even when RG3 has a bad game, he is not asked to wing it as much as Luck, so the lop sided losses happen but the turnovers do not. The Redskins, because of their running game, have an advantage on the amount of risks that have to be taken on offense, IMO.

Not that Luck has nothing to do with it, but Arians' offensive system plus less help from a running game does reflect in the turnovers category, IMO. I may be called a homer for pointing these out but I do believe there is an element of truth in it. :)


I believe RGIII's interceptions would be higher if he were a Colt and in Arians offense simply because he's thrown the ball more. I also feel he has been more accurate than Luck, and even more so in their first 4 games. I think most QB's would have a higher INT total in this offensive scheme, whether they are a rookie, or a more proven vet, or even one of the Manning/Brady/Brees ilk.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:28 PM

The QB you love so dearly is running a college offense with dump offs and screen which will be realized soon
So unless he learns a pro offense his stats will begin to decline
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

The Colts are the better team


Umm, no, no they're not. The Redskins offense was the perfect landing spot for RGIII. Shanahan knows how to run the ball, as we can see from Alfred Morris (6th round pick approaching 1,000 yards). He has a very good receiving core and a good enough line. I'm fine with RGIII putting up these kind of stats, as I don't see him ever being a successful quarterback in terms of wins and playoffs.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?

I have a feeling if Andrew Luck played against the Cowboys and the RG3 was playing the Pats this weekend in New England you would have seen Luck tearing up the Cowboys defense and RG3 struggling against the Pats. At some point you have to factor in who they are playing and who they have on their team. RG3 also has more experienced talent around him on offense and was expected to do better early because of that. With that said it's also worth mentioning which QB has his team in the playoff hunt and which one does not and before someone tells me the Colts are the better team go back and watch last year and see what this team did without a QB and look at what they are doing this year with QB play. Without question that was our biggest upgrade and Luck has taken us from the worst team in the league to playoff contending team.
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#12 ALuck>RG3

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:38 PM

Go hop on the redskins fanwagon then he will have concussion problems in a few years

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?


He's a great player. I hope he has a long and productive career. The NFL isn't Highlander.

I'm glad we took Luck.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:53 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?


My thoughts are that sometime in the next 2-3 years RGIII will be concussed and out for the season on a run option.

My other thoughts are that Luck is still the better QB, Only time will tell. It was predicted by almost everyone that RGIII would have the better start to his career, the only real amazement is that Luck is giving him a run for his money.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?

why even post this
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#16 Fx Stryker

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

Why don't you post this topic under your real account?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:01 PM

Maybe RG3 is the better QB at the moment, but I highly doubt he'll be able to keep his play style for 10+ years to come, either it will be figured out by most defenses or he'll be injured for good. Look at Vick or Cam Newton, Cam is far less productive this year and VIck is constantly hurt, and less productive. I'm glad we took Andrew

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:02 PM

Go hop on the redskins fanwagon then he will have concussion problems in a few years


He is on the Redskins bandwagon, unfortunately.

He looks great tonight. But I'm sure many people could say the same thing when Luck broke the rookie passing yardage record for a single game. Or when he lead his team to comeback to beat the Packers. They both look great and destined to have fantastic careers. Luck fits our system, it was the right choice


I wouldn't have said that about the Packers game. I think Luck gave the Packers multiple opportunities to finish the job that the Pack simply didn't capitalize on. However, I think I might say the same thing about Luck if he was in a system that protected him better and was oriented more towards high percentage throws.

Much of the difference between Griffin and Luck performance wise is similar to the difference between Jay Cutler in Denver and Jay Cutler in Chicago.

The QB you love so dearly is running a college offense with dump offs and screen which will be realized soon
So unless he learns a pro offense his stats will begin to decline


We've frustrated every defense we've played from a scheme point of view. What we run is a little more complex than college offenses and it is executed at a much higher level.

It was predicted by almost everyone that RGIII would have the better start to his career, the only real amazement is that Luck is giving him a run for his money.


That's revisionist history. Luck was supposed to be substantially better out of the gates than Griffin by virtue of coming out of a pro-style offense. The argument in Griffin's favor was that he had a higher ceiling owing to his physical tools. Our team was supposed to be better but the reality is that they've held Griffin back more than he's held them back and most people would agree that the Colts players have been better than advertised (albeit still very raw).

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:07 PM

Successful troll work here, well played.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:11 PM

Is it too late to start a "Should have taken Hakeem Nicks" thread? Or did I miss the window on pointless, annoying posts?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

Is it too late to start a "Should have taken Hakeem Nicks" thread? Or did I miss the window on pointless, annoying posts?


It is still not too late on a "should not have drafted Fleener in round 2" or "should not have given up a 2nd rounder for Vontae Davis" thread but this one is an outsider knocking our QB, so this one is different. :)

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

Maybe RG3 is the better QB at the moment, but I highly doubt he'll be able to keep his play style for 10+ years to come, either it will be figured out by most defenses or he'll be injured for good. Look at Vick or Cam Newton, Cam is far less productive this year and VIck is constantly hurt, and less productive. I'm glad we took Andrew


He isnt going to be Vick 2.0. Griffin is a much better passer than Vick ever was. He's already 10x more accurate.

I dont think he'll have a sophomore slump like Cam. Cam is a decent passer but Griffin is a smarter player and more accurate QB to me.

Im sure Griffin will eventually have some bad games. Every QB does.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

It is still not too late on a "should not have drafted Fleener in round 2" or "should not have given up a 2nd rounder for Vontae Davis" thread but this one is an outsider knocking our QB, so this one is different. :)

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:21 PM

That's revisionist history. Luck was supposed to be substantially better out of the gates than Griffin by virtue of coming out of a pro-style offense. The argument in Griffin's favor was that he had a higher ceiling owing to his physical tools. Our team was supposed to be better but the reality is that they've held Griffin back more than he's held them back and most people would agree that the Colts players have been better than advertised (albeit still very raw).


It's very debatable. RGIII has the better offensive line, and that means the world.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

RGIII aint better than Andrew Luck and he will never be.
We have the best young QB in the league and on the best team with the best fans in football, everyone who's a real colts fan knows this, everyone but you (RG3isnumber1) and with that name you are no real colts fan. You should take your business elsewhere and chant for Andre3000 aka Rgwho there.

#27 In Luck We Trust

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?


the type of offense that the skins use is perfect for RG3 as the type of offense the colts use is perfect for Luck. not to sound like an (word i can not use) but how about we just leave the whole " we should have picked RG3 instead " comments out. yeah RG3 has performed very well and he should be concidering what the redskins had given up for him, its not like luck is performing bad or anything. RG3 has had his games where he has made bad decisions just like luck. their rookies. leave it out of here.

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#28 In Luck We Trust

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:31 PM

RGIII aint better than Andrew Luck and he will never be.
We have the best young QB in the league and on the best team with the best fans in football, everyone who's a real colts fan knows this, everyone but you (RG3isnumber1) and with that name you are no real colts fan. You should take your business elsewhere and chant for Andre3000 aka Rgwho there.


why do you talk bad about a player??? he has performed pretty good considering. he was with out garcon pretty much all year and him being back has shown how much they needed him. i can guarantee you if we did not have wayne, luck would not be getting the stats the way he is right now. both QB's are going to be very good QB's both of them also will more then likely win at least one superbowl for their team. RG3 has had the issues with play calls from his OC ( every skin fan wants Kyle fired). to say he isnt anything that luck is and never will be is right on. he isnt anything like luck no one is not even peyton manning. he is his own person. honestly i would not have been mad if we went with RG3. but one thing is for sure i am tired of hearing we should have picked him instead.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

Trolling or not by the original poster one could argue that every time RG3's name is brought up and someone brings up that he is playing well and a Colts fan feels the need to talk about him getting a concussion is just as annoying IMO. Look I am glad we have Luck and I think we took the better QB but in no way do I want to see RG3 get hurt.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

RGIII aint better than Andrew Luck and he will never be.
We have the best young QB in the league and on the best team with the best fans in football, everyone who's a real colts fan knows this, everyone but you (RG3isnumber1) and with that name you are no real colts fan.

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#31 RGIII

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

It's very debatable. RGIII has the better offensive line, and that means the world.


We have a good run blocking offensive line and great participation from our receivers in the run game as well. However, our pass blocking is suspect and is exposed in a bad way if we find ourselves in a multiple score deficit. Our RT in particular is a sieve and our LG hasn't quite looked the same after suffering a serious knee injury after taking a cheap shot last season. These deficiencies are masked significantly by our ability to sell the playfake. That's beside the point, though...

The fact remains that Griffin was absolutely not supposed to outshine Luck as a rookie in terms of short-intermediate accuracy - but he has. Luck was also supposed to be the most pro-ready QB since Peyton and the best QB prospect since Elway, comparisons that were absolutely unfair to lay on the guy but were a direct reflection of his expected level of early success. RG was supposed to be more of a project, although some of us did argue to the contrary.

#32 IndyBarb

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

Has RGIII had his jersey displayed in the HOF?

#33 SilentHill

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

We have a good run blocking offensive line and great participation from our receivers in the run game as well. However, our pass blocking is suspect and is exposed in a bad way if we find ourselves in a multiple score deficit. Our RT in particular is a sieve and our LG hasn't quite looked the same after suffering a serious knee injury after taking a cheap shot last season. These deficiencies are masked significantly by our ability to sell the playfake. That's beside the point, though...

The fact remains that Griffin was absolutely not supposed to outshine Luck as a rookie in terms of short-intermediate accuracy - but he has. Luck was also supposed to be the most pro-ready QB since Peyton and the best QB prospect since Elway, comparisons that were absolutely unfair to lay on the guy but were a direct reflection of his expected level of early success. RG was supposed to be more of a project, although some of us did argue to the contrary.


Your comparing apples to oranges though. Our O-LIne is BAD.realllly bad, one of the worst O-lines in the NFL. I'm sure Luck would be a lot more accurate if he could step up in the pocket every once in a while without having to hurry a throw from pressure. Adding to that, they have told Luck not to run, can't sell a playfake to get WR open if your not allowed to run the option.

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#34 RGIII

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Your comparing apples to oranges though. Our O-LIne is BAD.realllly bad, one of the worst O-lines in the NFL. I'm sure Luck would be a lot more accurate if he could step up in the pocket every once in a while without having to hurry a throw from pressure.


I've seen plenty of your line. They're definitely not good and Luck is certainly made to look worse by their play coupled with Arians' refusal to help him out via the playcalling.

Still... have you seen Griffin? He's been accurate in an almost otherworldly way, putting the ball on the mark even when off-balance and under extreme duress. He has a LOT of room to grow as a decision-maker, I believe, but his accuracy has stunned me.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

Not a troll post but lets be honest. The Colts are the better team, RG3 is the better QB. with RG3 the Colts would be a lot better. He knows how to protect the ball, doesn't throw pick 6's, is extremely accurate, very mobile and explosive, and has great arm strength. Thoughts?


Come on man.....pathetic

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

I've seen plenty of your line. They're definitely not good and Luck is certainly made to look worse by their play coupled with Arians' refusal to help him out via the playcalling.

Still... have you seen Griffin? He's been accurate in an almost otherworldly way, putting the ball on the mark even when off-balance and under extreme duress. He has a LOT of room to grow as a decision-maker, I believe, but his accuracy has stunned me.


He also throws 18 times a game

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

He lost me when he said the colts have the better team. Rg3 would have a lot more rushing attempts behind this craptastic line.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:01 PM

Luck has Colts in playoffs which is most important stat. Obviously if Luck had a solid running game like RG3 he wouldnt have to make so many throws and the interceptions would be limited.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:11 PM

Simple Math, Luck's team is 6-4.

RG3's team is 5-6.

Luck has less proven talent on his team and has more wins than RG3. Definitely a better passer than RG3 because he has racked up more yards than RG3. RG3 is a dual threat and works the field his strong arm and running ability, very dangerous.

Personally, I like both and I think we could have benefited from selecting either QB.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

Well at least you used correct grammar and didn't type "Should of took RG3". That's the only compliment I'll pay this thread.






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