Line is now 10 1/2..but we make the playoffs with a win Sunday

[oldunclemark]

Mathematically......you cant clinch anything after 10 games...I get that

..but all the tie breakers go in our direction if we win at NE.. right?.

we'd have full 2 game leads on Miami, Buffalo and the NYJs (3 on Miami)

....no non-1st-place team in the AFC West can realistically catch us if SD losses at Denver Sunday

....and Cincy would be 2 back with 6 to play

..we dont have to beat out Pittsburgh to make the post-season...

...So all we have to do is win at New England..and we can start planning on those January games

..and we're only a teeny, tiny 10 1/2 point underdog

[GoDeep]

I bet a guy $5 this offseason that the Colts would win 6 or more games.

He asked for double or nothing about the Colts playoff hopes this year. He recanted! We very will may sneak in there!

This isn't the week, I fear, but we have a great shot at it!

[Qwiz]

10 1/2 point underdog? So the Patriots are going to score 24.5 and the Colts 14? Football is a strange game... :hmm:

[jskinnz]

Mathematically......you cant clinch anything after 10 games...I get that

..but all the tie breakers go in our direction if we win at NE.. right?.

we'd have full 2 game leads on Miami, Buffalo and the NYJs (3 on Miami)

....no non-1st-place team in the AFC West can realistically catch us if SD losses at Denver Sunday

....and Cincy would be 2 back with 6 to play

..we dont have to beat out Pittsburgh to make the post-season...

...So all we have to do is win at New England..and we can start planning on those January games

..and we're only a teeny, tiny 10 1/2 point underdog

This line of thinking is:

1) lost on me

2) common from you

The Colts are a great story to be sure and certainly headed in the right direction. But they are not the 2004-2009 version of the Colts where you were actually very surprised when they lost a game. This version of the Colts can be beaten by any team left on the schedule. So while a win on Sunday would be great, it assures nothing. And is also not likely to happen.

[Jay Kirk]

IMO the Colts have a great chance in this game,if they dont turn the ball over,im begging to like our OL much better than theyres especially with shipley at center,the other key here will be secondary play,My prediction is Brady spends time on back,and welcome to the NFL Josh Chapman!The Colts have had plenty of doubters this season lets not ride that bandwagon

[oldunclemark]

This line of thinking is:

1) lost on me

2) common from you

The Colts are a great story to be sure and certainly headed in the right direction. But they are not the 2004-2009 version of the Colts where you were actually very surprised when they lost a game. This version of the Colts can be beaten by any team left on the schedule. So while a win on Sunday would be great, it assures nothing. And is also not likely to happen.

Cant pick a fight here. We agree 100% (even though you dont see it)

The key sentences are: "Mathematically, you cant clinch anything after 10 games. I get that."

AND "'we're only a teeny tiny 10 1/2 point underdog'

Thanks for the back up. I can always count on you 'J'

[FireJimCaldwell]

This line of thinking is:

1) lost on me

2) common from you

The Colts are a great story to be sure and certainly headed in the right direction. But they are not the 2004-2009 version of the Colts where you were actually very surprised when they lost a game. This version of the Colts can be beaten by any team left on the schedule. So while a win on Sunday would be great, it assures nothing. And is also not likely to happen.

Agreed.

A win only guarantees a 7-9 record. They will likely finish better than that, but the title makes it sounds like they get the * by their name in the sports page and the division leading Texans won't have that until a few more weeks pass.

OUM,

It's been awhile since you have had one of these misleading/incorrect headlines. My only complaint with it is that an uninformed fan, will see the headline, pass it on to someone at a bar, or at work, and its just misinformation.

[lollygagger8]

I just want to know how Belichick is going to scam this extra half point.

[Jay Kirk]

I just want to know how Belichick is going to scam this extra half point.

Lol good point

[oldunclemark]

Agreed.

A win only guarantees a 7-9 record. They will likely finish better than that, but the title makes it sounds like they get the * by their name in the sports page and the division leading Texans won't have that until a few more weeks pass.

OUM,

It's been awhile since you have had one of these misleading/incorrect headlines. My only complaint with it is that an uninformed fan, will see the headline, pass it on to someone at a bar, or at work, and its just misinformation.

Buy this isnt a news forum..its a place for comments, citticisms and predictions...fandom and pot stirring

You read my entire post..(not just the headline) I'm sure....You see what I'm saying,,

dont you agree?

Remember the clearly state codicil :' :stats: " Mathematically you cant clinch anything after 10 games'

I think we're in if we shock the world and upset New England.........right?

[oldunclemark]

I just want to know how Belichick is going to scam this extra half point.

he's probably videotaping our practices right now...

[Jay Kirk]

he's probably videotaping our practices right now...

[FireJimCaldwell]

Buy this isnt a news forum..its a place for comments, citticisms and predictions...fandom and pot stirring

You read my entire post..(not just the headline) I'm sure....You see what I'm saying,,

dont you agree?

Remember the clearly state codicil :' :stats: " Mathematically you cant clinch anything after 10 games'

I think we're in if we shock the world and upset New England.........right?

It doesn't matter what site it is. It's not true at this point. It's headed in the right direction to make the playoffs, but the Colts could beat the Patriots 50-0, and they don't clinch/make the playoffs this week. It is just an erroneous statement that shouldn't be made.

This is how things get claimed as fact when they are 100% wrong.

Whether I agree/see/understand your intent is beside the point. It's just not a factually correct and shouldn't be said. Obviously there are scenarios that would prevent the Colts from making the playoffs even with a win on Sunday. A win increases the chances, but it doesn't guarantee it.

Some people are competent enough to know what you meant and understand that it is an error and some people aren't. They will be the ones arguing with Dan Patrick when Sunday Night Football comes on and slurring/yelling at the TV, but this dude on Colts.com said that a win vs. the Patriots meant the Colts are in the playoffs.

[Superman]

Some people are competent enough to know what you meant and understand that it is an error and some people aren't. They will be the ones arguing with Dan Patrick when Sunday Night Football comes on and slurring/yelling at the TV, but this dude on Colts.com said that a win vs. the Patriots meant the Colts are in the playoffs.

I think anyone who takes OUM's thread title as anything official is hopeless. I wouldn't blame their incompetence on him.

In other news, it's interesting to me that the early line was 9, and now it's 10.5. That means the action favored Indy, on the road. Weird. I think last year's Colts/Pats game opened at Colts +20, and grew.

[GoColts8818]

hey the way the AFC is going this year 7-9 might get you in...

[oldunclemark]

It doesn't matter what site it is. It's not true at this point. It's headed in the right direction to make the playoffs, but the Colts could beat the Patriots 50-0, and they don't clinch/make the playoffs this week. It is just an erroneous statement that shouldn't be made.

This is how things get claimed as fact when they are 100% wrong.

Whether I agree/see/understand your intent is beside the point. It's just not a factually correct and shouldn't be said. Obviously there are scenarios that would prevent the Colts from making the playoffs even with a win on Sunday. A win increases the chances, but it doesn't guarantee it.

Some people are competent enough to know what you meant and understand that it is an error and some people aren't. They will be the ones arguing with Dan Patrick when Sunday Night Football comes on and slurring/yelling at the TV, but this dude on Colts.com said that a win vs. the Patriots meant the Colts are in the playoffs.

You say the post isnt true.......and you are correct FJC...the headline isnt...

My contention is that since my intent is defined in the depth of the post...the headline can mislead..as it draws attention to the post.

Kinda like selling loaves of bread for 50 cents so it draws people into the store..and they can see what else you've got

...I honestly feel my post headline fell loosley within the bounds of the long standing 'falseness-trueness Colts' message board spectrum because its clearly and immediately re-stated as an opinion backed by factual numbers...and projections

Of course it matters to me if you agree/disagree/understand and do or dont see the intent.

that's why I post...probably why we all do......

And, as an aside,.....I miss these 'board rules' :rulez: discussions with you and 'J'

We must have board police... :ref: Its a necessary evil....

[oldunclemark]

I think anyone who takes OUM's thread title as anything official is hopeless. I wouldn't blame their incompetence on him.

In other news, it's interesting to me that the early line was 9, and now it's 10.5. That means the action favored Indy, on the road. Weird. I think last year's Colts/Pats game opened at Colts +20, and grew.

Yeah...Supe....

The general consensus nationally apparently is that we arent really very good and that Shady Tom Brady will put us in our place...

I'm a little worried about that

[FireJimCaldwell]

I think anyone who takes OUM's thread title as anything official is hopeless. I wouldn't blame their incompetence on him.

In other news, it's interesting to me that the early line was 9, and now it's 10.5. That means the action favored Indy, on the road. Weird. I think last year's Colts/Pats game opened at Colts +20, and grew.

I agree that a lot of people around here won't claim it to be official, but I'm guessing there are new people joining the site on a daily/weekly basis. It would just be easier to say that the line is now 10.5 and leave it at that.

The thing with point spreads is that they are either dead on, or they are far off base. I used to cut the pointspread section out of the Friday USA today and then compare it to the scores on Monday for both college/pro and it was alarming that it would be Army -4, and then you see Army 24, Navy 20. It's almost like the Devil owns the casinos and sport books.

The one I've used lately is still at 10.00 with -130. I'm more favorable to the Over/Under at 54 with the split being Colts 22.5 Patriots 31. The Money line has the Colts at +330.

The site I used to use was even better, Using this game you would have lines ranging from Patriots -5.5 all the way up to the Colts +15.5 or so, with various payouts along that range. They stopped accepting action from the US.

I've been more fond of teasers/pleasers with the adjusted lines here lately.

[Jay Kirk]

Ithink the Patriots are not near as good as they once were,IMO the Colts win this,and let them go on thinking the Colts are not good,IMO the Texans are hands down the best in AFC Denvers closing in,after that a crap shoot between us and probably 4 other teams

[Superman]

I agree that a lot of people around here won't claim it to be official, but I'm guessing there are new people joining the site on a daily/weekly basis. It would just be easier to say that the line is now 10.5 and leave it at that.

I agree. I'm just not sure that OUM ought to be held responsible for the cluelessness of someone else.

The thing with point spreads is that they are either dead on, or they are far off base. I used to cut the pointspread section out of the Friday USA today and then compare it to the scores on Monday for both college/pro and it was alarming that it would be Army -4, and then you see Army 24, Navy 20. It's almost like the Devil owns the casinos and sport books.

The one I've used lately is still at 10.00 with -130. I'm more favorable to the Over/Under at 54 with the split being Colts 22.5 Patriots 31. The Money line has the Colts at +330.

The site I used to use was even better, Using this game you would have lines ranging from Patriots -5.5 all the way up to the Colts +15.5 or so, with various payouts along that range. They stopped accepting action from the US.

I've been more fond of teasers/pleasers with the adjusted lines here lately.

I've never been into gambling, so have never done anywhere near that level of research into this stuff. I get it, for the most part. And it's always surprising to me how close the books get, especially in a sport where anything can happen in any given game.

I agree with you on that Over/Under split. Sounds about right.

[oldunclemark]

I agree that a lot of people around here won't claim it to be official, but I'm guessing there are new people joining the site on a daily/weekly basis. It would just be easier to say that the line is now 10.5 and leave it at that.

The thing with point spreads is that they are either dead on, or they are far off base. I used to cut the pointspread section out of the Friday USA today and then compare it to the scores on Monday for both college/pro and it was alarming that it would be Army -4, and then you see Army 24, Navy 20. It's almost like the Devil owns the casinos and sport books.

The one I've used lately is still at 10.00 with -130. I'm more favorable to the Over/Under at 54 with the split being Colts 22.5 Patriots 31. The Money line has the Colts at +330.

The site I used to use was even better, Using this game you would have lines ranging from Patriots -5.5 all the way up to the Colts +15.5 or so, with various payouts along that range. They stopped accepting action from the US.

I've been more fond of teasers/pleasers with the adjusted lines here lately.

That sounds like a cousin to the RealClear Politics web site, FJC......They take six political polls and averages them to get a true range of the voters.

If you could get more than 11 points..I'd take the Colts this week...because we'll still be throwing and scoring after the game is decided and their secondary is fairly weak..

[FireJimCaldwell]

You say the post isnt true.......and you are correct FJC...the headline isnt...

My contention is that since my intent is defined in the depth of the post...the headline can mislead..as it draws attention to the post.

Kinda like selling loaves of bread for 50 cents so it draws people into the store..and they can see what else you've got

...I honestly feel my post headline fell loosley within the bounds of the long standing 'falseness-trueness Colts' message board spectrum because its clearly and immediately re-stated as an opinion backed by factual numbers...and projections

Of course it matters to me if you agree/disagree/understand and do or dont see the intent.

that's why I post...probably why we all do......

And, as an aside,.....I miss these 'board rules' :rulez: discussions with you and 'J'

We must have board police... :ref: Its a necessary evil....

I see the intent. I've always seen the intent, I just disagree with the misleading of the people. There are some out there that see the headline, and don't open the page, and then pass that information along.

Maybe the better headline is the line is now 10.5, and a win pushes closer to the playoffs..

Some might not have a clue what 10.5 means or fully understand the spectrum of a point spread. That happens. I have a friend that I have to explain the ins and outs to it on a yearly basis, and he doesn't quite grasp it. He also fails to grasp the buy it now vs. auction set up on ebay as well.

Like I said in the first post, it's been awhile since you pulled one of these out of your bag of tricks.

[Superman]

Yeah...Supe....

The general consensus nationally apparently is that we arent really very good and that Shady Tom Brady will put us in our place...

I'm a little worried about that

You're right. I had it backwards. The fact that the line increased means that people were taking the Patriots -9 to cover. Now I get the change.

[ColtStrong]

This line of thinking is:

1) lost on me

2) common from you

The Colts are a great story to be sure and certainly headed in the right direction. But they are not the 2004-2009 version of the Colts where you were actually very surprised when they lost a game. This version of the Colts can be beaten by any team left on the schedule. So while a win on Sunday would be great, it assures nothing. And is also not likely to happen.

Why don't you tell the players that? I didn't know it was your job to pee in people's cheerios. Why can't we be optimistic as fans? Does it matter? I didn't realize that if we get overly optimistic as fans, it would somehow spill over to the actual team and have an effect on them.

[FireJimCaldwell]

That sounds like a cousin to the RealClear Politics web site, FJC......They take six political polls and averages them to get a true range of the voters.

If you could get more than 11 points..I'd take the Colts this week...because we'll still be throwing and scoring after the game is decided and their secondary is fairly weak..

I wish I could still use that old site. It could likely push it +15 or maybe even as high as 18. Your payout isn't as good as it would be with 10 points.

Part of me wants to put a bone on the money line. that +330 looks nice.

I'll likely stick to something on the over.

[FireJimCaldwell]

I agree. I'm just not sure that OUM ought to be held responsible for the cluelessness of someone else.

I've never been into gambling, so have never done anywhere near that level of research into this stuff. I get it, for the most part. And it's always surprising to me how close the books get, especially in a sport where anything can happen in any given game.

I agree with you on that Over/Under split. Sounds about right.

The over/under split is what they were at when I looked. You could place x on either team being over/under.

Props are also fun. They aren't up on the site that I use, but they will likely have who will have more passing yards. Brady +75, Luck -75. or will Brady have 1.5 more TD passes than Luck. Interesting little things like that.

[Jay Kirk]

The over/under split is what they were at when I looked. You could place x on either team being over/under.

Props are also fun. They aren't up on the site that I use, but they will likely have who will have more passing yards. Brady +75, Luck -75. or will Brady have 1.5 more TD passes than Luck. Interesting little things like that.

I agree with the over under part ,i can see this going either way,but i do see Luck holding his own

[BOTT]

I bet a guy $5 this offseason that the Colts would win 6 or more games.

He asked for double or nothing about the Colts playoff hopes this year. He recanted! We very will may sneak in there!

This isn't the week, I fear, but we have a great shot at it!

$5? wow, you really went out on a limb on that one.....

[FireJimCaldwell]

I agree with the over under part ,i can see this going either way,but i do see Luck holding his own

The Yards/TD were just hypotheticals, and not from the site, just throwing them out as examples of props. I think we could easily see 6, 7, bordering on 800 yards passing between the two. With that said there will likely be 9,10 interceptions and a team wins 10-7.

[oldunclemark]

I see the intent. I've always seen the intent, I just disagree with the misleading of the people. There are some out there that see the headline, and don't open the page, and then pass that information along.

Maybe the better headline is the line is now 10.5, and a win pushes closer to the playoffs..

Some might not have a clue what 10.5 means or fully understand the spectrum of a point spread. That happens. I have a friend that I have to explain the ins and outs to it on a yearly basis, and he doesn't quite grasp it. He also fails to grasp the buy it now vs. auction set up on ebay as well.

Like I said in the first post, it's been awhile since you pulled one of these out of your bag of tricks.

Fair..enough..I'll try and control the joyful offerings from my trick bag...for the rest of the season..But its been a good year....for the moment at least...these are the good.old days

[Jay Kirk]

The Yards/TD were just hypotheticals, and not from the site, just throwing them out as examples of props. I think we could easily see 6, 7, bordering on 800 yards passing between the two. With that said there will likely be 9,10 interceptions and a team wins 10-7.

Very possible my freind,i just dont see the Pats as a big favorite,ive not been real impressed with them for a veteran team

[FireJimCaldwell]

Fair..enough..I'll try and control the joyful offerings from my trick bag...for the rest of the season..But its been a good year....for the moment at least...these are the good.old days

Hey brother... Do your thing... Some wish they could send me packing and disagree with things I say. They can get over it. I dislike the title, but the same thing can be said... I'll get over it... Not that I am upset and throwing things or anything...

I wouldn't go that far.

[Jay Kirk]

Hey brother... Do your thing... Some wish they could send me packing and disagree with things I say. They can get over it. I dislike the title, but the same thing can be said... I'll get over it... Not that I am upset and throwing things or anything...

I wouldn't go that far.

FJC your probably the best Xs and Os guy we have in here,I for one glad to have you around

[FireJimCaldwell]

Very possible my freind,i just dont see the Pats as a big favorite,ive not been real impressed with them for a veteran team

I get what you are saying, the thing with a Belichick defense though is that it can look very porous at times, but he still has the ability to lock it in and dial it down and make some key stops.

Statistically Roethlisberger/Arians have hit the Steelers with some yardage. He had 365 & 387 in his last two contests and to me that is a better gauge than previous Colts/Patriots games.

If either side is explosive early then that will likely set the tone of the game. I see each side feeling the other out for most of the 1st quarter, so any points scored then are gravy. It will be interesting.

[FireJimCaldwell]

FJC your probably the best Xs and Os guy we have in here,I for one glad to have you around

Thanks, but I don't know about all that. There are some good posters on here... I only hope to hold my own.

[buccolts]

Mathematically......you cant clinch anything after 10 games...I get that

..but all the tie breakers go in our direction if we win at NE.. right?.

we'd have full 2 game leads on Miami, Buffalo and the NYJs (3 on Miami)

....no non-1st-place team in the AFC West can realistically catch us if SD losses at Denver Sunday

....and Cincy would be 2 back with 6 to play

..we dont have to beat out Pittsburgh to make the post-season...

...So all we have to do is win at New England..and we can start planning on those January games

..and we're only a teeny, tiny 10 1/2 point underdog

Actually, mathematically, you CAN clinch something after 10 games, but the rest of the division would have to be God awful up to that point.

[jskinnz]

Why don't you tell the players that? I didn't know it was your job to pee in people's cheerios. Why can't we be optimistic as fans? Does it matter? I didn't realize that if we get overly optimistic as fans, it would somehow spill over to the actual team and have an effect on them.

\

Dear God...

[oldunclemark]

Actually, mathematically, you CAN clinch something after 10 games, but the rest of the division would have to be God awful up to that point.

like the AFC West?

[Jay Kirk]

like the AFC West?

Lol only Denver

[FireJimCaldwell]

like the AFC West?

No like a team being 10-0 and the other 3 teams only winning vs. each other.

Far worse than the AFC west and even worse than the NFC west when it was down a few years ago. Even worse than the AFC south when Houston was still in diapers and Jax/Ten were beating up on each other and the Colts were running off 10 wins at time like they were on a factory line in Detroit.