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Peyton’S Recovery Hinges On The Regeneration Of Nerves, Either In His Neck Or Upper Arm.


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#1 bayone

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:37 PM

For a nerve to have to regenerate, that would imply that the surgery Peyton had was not just to remove part of a bulging disc (which would have just impinged an otherwise-healthy nerve). It probably means that that disc had interfered with the nerve for a long enough period of time to have also damaged it. This assumption is reinforced by Peyton’s assertion that he sought the advice of several specialists and was told that surgery was unavoidable.

As for the anatomy… there are two primary components to nerves – the axon (which is like the central “wire” that conducts the signals) and the myelin (the sheath or cover around the wire). When only the myelin is damaged, a nerve can heal quickly (within weeks). When the axon is also damaged, however, it takes longer to heal.
Assuming there is still continuity of the axon (i.e., that it hasn’t been severed, or split apart ), it takes approximately 1 month to regenerate each inch of damaged nerve. the fact that Manning had his surgery 4 months ago and that the impacted nerves have apparently not yet regenerated fully implies at least 4 full inches of nerve to repair. However, this is inconsistent with sports medicine expert Dr. Sheeraz Qureshi’s expectation (from afar) that Manning could start physical therapy and strength training 4-5 weeks after the procedure. It is also inconsistent with Jim Irsay’s confidence at the time that Manning would need only 8 weeks to recover – including rehab – and would be at training camp.
Based comments, it appears that Qureshi assumed that there had been little to no nerve damage. And while Qureshi did not examine Manning personally, Irsay was also confident, implying that Dr. Richard Fessler (the neurosurgeon who did perform the procedure) gave him no information to feel otherwise
A possibility that I hate to have to explore, is that there was enough nerve damage that complete regeneration will not be possible,

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:50 PM

Stop scaring us

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:11 PM

Stop scaring us


Dont mean to scare anyone, just presenting the article with insignificant lines etc removed

But yeah I dont like that last part either,

also i dont agree with all said but not my field,

ON THE POSITIVE ABOUT THE BODY


I have very little myelin sheath , over 5 veterbtrea area in neck, never healed since 1988 , Also my spinal cord was incredibly damaged , & I should have been a cripple , yet still I was doing surgery for the 9 months took to diagnose, then I was dropped after surgery , causing a post op infection further destroying / eating out the area

Yet I can still walk, yes I have disabilities but no where what I should have,

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:17 PM

I had similar (albeit less educated) thoughts myself. I had a disk removed/fused in my neck a few years back. There was significant pain/numbness/weakness in my shoulder arm and hand while the disk was pressing on the nerve, but relieving the pressure addressed the symptoms. Granted, I've had lingering issues, but I'm not an athlete and I had degeneration in my neck - something that Irsay specifically stated was not an issue with Peyton.

The point is that I was urged to have my surgery within a 90 day window to "prevent permanent nerve damage". I read somewhere that Peyton had been dealing with this for four years. Therefore the quotes about "waiting for the nerves to regenerate" have alarmed me. If they were trying to diminish the concerns and reassure the fanbase that didn't do it for me. I hope that they chose the wrong phrase. Maybe the nerves are OK at this point, but he was sidelined for so long and incurred so much muscle atrophy that he still can't make "all the throws" (I hope I hope I hope).

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:34 PM

I like your attitude Bayone.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 04:34 PM

I had similar (albeit less educated) thoughts myself. I had a disk removed/fused in my neck a few years back. There was significant pain/numbness/weakness in my shoulder arm and hand while the disk was pressing on the nerve, but relieving the pressure addressed the symptoms. Granted, I've had lingering issues, but I'm not an athlete and I had degeneration in my neck - something that Irsay specifically stated was not an issue with Peyton.

The point is that I was urged to have my surgery within a 90 day window to "prevent permanent nerve damage". I read somewhere that Peyton had been dealing with this for four years. Therefore the quotes about "waiting for the nerves to regenerate" have alarmed me. If they were trying to diminish the concerns and reassure the fanbase that didn't do it for me. I hope that they chose the wrong phrase. Maybe the nerves are OK at this point, but he was sidelined for so long and incurred so much muscle atrophy that he still can't make "all the throws" (I hope I hope I hope).


The article is not an official colt release, at least doubt it but a series Called in the training room, that covere only all colt injuries at least all links given are on colts, at its bottom is one on sims, at the right is a host of links to other colts, Harris, etc etc and in the past

I wasnt allowed out of the hospital once diagnosed , had to leave though as had to make arrangements for office coverage

Re I read somewhere that Peyton had been dealing with this for four years.

I read was from last year and wouldn't be surprised if was from ist texan game, i have pictures of him motionless on ground , neck bent awkwardly and ref / official about to call trainers etc If I right remember when he started to get up

he was sandwiched many times in Denver game and picture show excruciating g face, Now none of these and countless others were sacks but he took a whopping last year after the throw
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:29 PM

there was a video about peytons' neck injury on youtube describing exactly what was going on, i can't seem to find it anymore, would love it if somebody can find and post it here

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:25 PM

Doesn't look to promising. Remember Bert Jones? You would think it was his shoulder that ended his career. It was a bulging disk problem that would not get better. He figured to leave the sport with what health he had. The Colts sighn Collins to 2 years. He may have to stay out indefinately. The sad part will be not knowing for sure for ever, for example, Harrison's knee,Sanders's multiple problems. This secret nature the Colts have about injuries can be down right frustrating. We may be seeing the end of the Manning era. Hopefully, the Colts know something positive about the situation, I don't think they envisioned paying him one million plus a game to hold the clipboard.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:30 PM

Doesn't look to promising. Remember Bert Jones? You would think it was his shoulder that ended his career. It was a bulging disk problem that would not get better. He figured to leave the sport with what health he had. The Colts sighn Collins to 2 years. He may have to stay out indefinately. The sad part will be not knowing for sure for ever, for example, Harrison's knee,Sanders's multiple problems. This secret nature the Colts have about injuries can be down right frustrating. We may be seeing the end of the Manning era. Hopefully, the Colts know something positive about the situation, I don't think they envisioned paying him one million plus a game to hold the clipboard.


If they believed any of that he wouldnt have got a new huge contract with a bunch of guarenteed money.. Im sure he will be fine, eventually.. Its just taking a little longer than anticipated

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 12:38 AM

Doesn't look to promising. Remember Bert Jones? You would think it was his shoulder that ended his career. It was a bulging disk problem that would not get better. He figured to leave the sport with what health he had. The Colts sighn Collins to 2 years. He may have to stay out indefinately. The sad part will be not knowing for sure for ever, for example, Harrison's knee,Sanders's multiple problems. This secret nature the Colts have about injuries can be down right frustrating. We may be seeing the end of the Manning era. Hopefully, the Colts know something positive about the situation, I don't think they envisioned paying him one million plus a game to hold the clipboard.


Where did you read that about Bert? I know that he was never the same after he separated his shoulder, came back too early and hurt it again. While your comment sounds reasonable, I remember reading not that long ago that his shoulder problem would have been easily treatable in this day and age. Never heard a thing about a disk.

Not doubting you, I just would like to know more since his disappearing in the prime of his career was one of the most upsetting sports situations of my life.

By the way, I can still picture the play in which Marvin got hurt. It looked nasty, and considering his age you had to wonder if "this is it" even then. I didn't find the ensuing events all that surprising.

Sanders is the one that drives me nuts. Two season ending biceps injuries? Who injures there biceps? They aren't like a lower body injury - I always kinda wondered (Bob being Bob) why he wasn't able to just slap a band-aid on it and come back out. :) I would have been all for his being resigned. He visibly changed the Colts defense from the first moment he stepped on the field.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 05:31 AM

another perspective

by board-certified orthopedic clinical specialist, and certified strength and conditioning specialist,
ESPN blogger Stephania Bell is one of the more credible sources of sports medicine information. So when she weighed in on Peyton Manning’s condition during Thursday’sESPN’s Fantasy Football Podcast, Coltzilla took notice.

Read for her thoughts


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Posted 26 August 2011 - 08:06 AM

Whatever happened to the comment a few weeks ago that at that time, Peyton "was throwing with good velocity"? I would assume that most of the healing would have been done at that time and he just need to condition the muscles that were not used during the healing time.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:18 AM

Whatever happened to the comment a few weeks ago that at that time, Peyton "was throwing with good velocity"? I would assume that most of the healing would have been done at that time and he just need to condition the muscles that were not used during the healing time.



dont have link but i answered with a phil wilson comment at the time that doubted what that meabt and it was aan unknown source and phil said at that time doesnt mean ready for week 1 , wish had link sorry
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 12:27 PM

What official release has there been that there was nerve damage or they need to regenerate?

Not saying that this isn't true, but just wondering if this is actually the right diagnosis.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 01:23 PM

What official release has there been that there was nerve damage or they need to regenerate?

Not saying that this isn't true, but just wondering if this is actually the right diagnosis.




NO OFFICIAL REALESE SEE BELOW AFTER THIS 1st section

all info from what i can tell are from supposedly experts based on length of time has taken to heal, yet i feel its skewed somewhat as he was too cautious during lockout as didnt have faith in his trainers / rehab therapists he was using outside of colt organization, Now this lack of faith and any delay in peyton being not as agressive in treatment as should have been if that was truly the case could have caused delay in healing but the neck is not my field, but do know on the ankle reconstructions i did, if u didnt get right PT immediate,y in timely manner u were setting self up for longer and possibly not a full recovery, Thats orthopedics of ankle & also depended on particular surgery done, this is different and as said I AM NO EXPPERT ON NECK

I POSTED The Article, later in the thread I wrote

The article is not an official colt release, at least I doubt it, but is a series Called in the training room, that covers only all colt injuries at least all links given are on colts, at its bottom is one on sims, at the right is a host of links to other colts, Harris, etc etc and in the past , This all came from Coltzilla linking to Training Room Series


Then I added later in the thread

another perspective als0 linked to by Coltzilla

by board-certified orthopedic clinical specialist, and certified strength and conditioning specialist,
ESPN blogger Stephania Bell is one of the more credible sources of sports medicine information. So when she weighed in on Peyton Manning’s condition during Thursday’sESPN’s Fantasy Football Podcast, Coltzilla took notice.

Read for her thoughts

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 05:03 PM

Sorry Bayone...I merged the wrong topic. I need to find my glasses. I will fix it the best way I can. My bad. :sorry:

I think I got all of the replies back where they belong. I apologize that I cannot recall the exact original title. I hope I got close enough.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 05:09 PM

My take on the surgery is personal and scary. I have had two 'bulging disk' spinal surgeries, but mine have been lumbar and that is much more intensive as far as length of recovery. Also one of mine had completely ruptured.

But the nerve regeneration takes a long time. However, Peyton had to be playing with nerve damage before the surgery and a lessening of sensation...so it may already be better than prior to the surgery. :dunno: Only he can know.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 05:31 PM

I made the point somewhere else in conversation that the Collins signing might be more of a reinforcement so to speak than a need to start the games week 1, meaning that Manning could be capable of starting, but as the doctor said in one of the above articles posted by Bayone, his arm may fatigue or not feel so great later in the game, and thats when the Colts will need a competent backup.

I think its entirely possible, likely even, that we see Manning start the game week 1, but Collins finish the game.

Its odd that no one else has mentioned that possibility before, and it seems most are discussing extremes instead of something somewhere in between, which given Mannings history is MUCH more likely...

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:16 PM

Sorry Bayone...I merged the wrong topic. I need to find my glasses. I will fix it the best way I can. My bad. :sorry:

I think I got all of the replies back where they belong. I apologize that I cannot recall the exact original title. I hope I got close enough.


i added back original title

, Regarding replies It is what it is however u got it back, dont sweat it,

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:18 PM

I made the point somewhere else in conversation that the Collins signing might be more of a reinforcement so to speak than a need to start the games week 1, meaning that Manning could be capable of starting, but as the doctor said in one of the above articles posted by Bayone, his arm may fatigue or not feel so great later in the game, and thats when the Colts will need a competent backup.

I think its entirely possible, likely even, that we see Manning start the game week 1, but Collins finish the game.

Its odd that no one else has mentioned that possibility before, and it seems most are discussing extremes instead of something somewhere in between, which given Mannings history is MUCH more likely...



I did read that somewhere, thought of it, but some never posted it, it is a good point though, Maybe i didnt want to start something like, well there goes our final 2 minute drive then
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:53 PM


i added back original title

, Regarding replies It is what it is however u got it back, dont sweat it,

have great weekend


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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:03 PM

I did read that somewhere, thought of it, but some never posted it, it is a good point though, Maybe i didnt want to start something like, well there goes our final 2 minute drive then

lol, maybe not at the half though!

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:48 PM

I believe in God and I think Peyton does also but I wish i cvould speak to him because when I talked faith to a patient I had in home health the quadraplegic man went from no lower extremity movement to lifting his legs a foot off his bed for 10 seconds at a time. I told the man "Faith without Works is Dead". In other words you can sit around and pray for a new home all you want! But if you get up and start building your house you will have one! I hope this ends up well for Peyton and his family's future. If he has bad nerve damage it can cause him alot of pain and irritability in his future.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:48 PM

Something about this Topic. The burning pain in my upper back (related to neck damage/surgery) has returned for the first time in awhile. I doubt that any neck/nerve issue is ever truly "cured".

Or it could be that I've spent too much time bent over the keyboard in this forum since joining last week. ;)






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