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Truth….watched a ton of Denver games in the afternoon. Dude has the worst work ethic I’ve ever seen. If he isn’t the primary receiver he gives up on plays. Runs routes at 3/4 speed and horrible run blocker. Unless he is going to totally turn his attitude around I have no clue why anyone would want this guy.

About time..let’s go!!

My point is if you don’t have a qb…then yes you need elite defense and a great rb if you want to have a shot at the SB. Avg qb play and elite rb with great defense won a SB for the Seahawks and took them 1 more rushing attempt from back to back. Don’t get me wrong it is much much more difficult to build a team around an elite back with avg qb play but if you don’t have the qb what other options do you have?

Henry carried that team to the playoffs. The point being it is highly suspect the team would have even been a playoff team without him…even with the money spent elsewhere. If you are a running team the game plan will be to stop the run. Not sure it really matters if it’s a commitee or 1 guy. I just highly doubt Tennessee would have been better off without Henry on those teams. You also ignore the fact that SF was a losing team and had a losing record before McCaffrey got there. What they did the previous season doesn’t matter. Fact was they became a Super Bowl contender with McCaffrey last year…that team needed him.

Do you think Tennessee would have even been in the playoffs without him? If they had 3 rbs instead of 1 great back would the game plan employed by Cincy been any different. So is the issue Henry or the issue Tennessee had a below avg qb? Wasn’t SF not even a playoff team until McCaffrey got there last year? I think we all know that great qb play is imperative for winning it all but if you don’t have that…what is the alternative if you want to be really good?? Play defense and have s dynamic running game? Might not win it all but it will give you a chance to win more often than not.

So the same amount of time as Ballard has been a GM.

Do we know he didn’t? Do we know all the reasons why Saturday who was Irsays guy wasn’t retained. Like I said we can probably fill a book on what we really don’t know….just like if this report is even true or not.

He is still Uber raw and very young. Qb coaching can vary widely at the college level. I actually think it is beneficial we get him so young and inexperienced because he hasn’t grown accustomed to playing with bad mechanics and he is willing to learn. We also have more time to work with him. His skill set, measurables are off the charts. He makes a lot of mistakes but he also has shown he learns from them and corrects them. I think he is a special kid and if he stays on the right path he will have a bright future. By far my preferred pick in the draft.

I’m not sure that would be 100% accurate but if he told him look the organization is going to reward you if you play through pain…they are going to take care of you and JT believed that…as foolish as that would be if that was the case then I could sure see how that would be a problem for JT. The coach IS the organization…the representative of the team that directly interacts and communicates with the players. If he was to say and do that and JT trusted him then that’s the Colts fault for putting an inadequate coach on rhe sideline. How can he trust the next coach will look out for him and his future. A big IF that’s true…and I think JT would be pretty naive to trust that but if that’s true then I could see the break down in the relationship began and how as the offseason wore on and he wasn’t rewarded it became acrimonious. Combine that with then JTs actions and the messages coming from Irsay and what he was seeing around the league with other RBs…he decided to go full on nuclear….which yeah leads us to this big piece of dog poo we are in now.

I think we could probably fill a book about what we DONT know about the situation…what the organization has said snd done privately and what JT and his agents have also done. However no matter what comes out I don’t think Colts fans will change their opinion and yet I also don’t think the media cares what the whole truth is as well as JTs holdout is juicy and everyone loves to to hate on Irsay as owners in general are easy targets and well crazy Jim is probably one of the least likable because of his past.

Barkley got more pay. Zack Martin got a new deal…if a player has earned it then you can do it and it shows the others if you elevate yourself to one of the best players on the team then we can revisit your salary. It might inspire other players. Of course there are negatives as you imply but that is why you weigh the risk reward of doing so. Doing it isn’t inherently bad..not doing it might not be either…lots of places do this though. It’s called merit based pay…and it can backfire if not used correctly but it can also inspire others inside the organization to work harder to excel so they will get the larger bump in pay. The Colts might not wanted to do this but it isn’t a dumb idea on its face value. Players outperform their contracts and sometimes organizations reward them early by extending them to keep them happy, sometimes to help their books, and sometimes because if they wait the contract will be bigger…but it’s not crazy idea.

True….maybe I shouldn’t say not valid but it does seem people aren’t willing to look at both sides objectively. It’s like they let their anger get the best of them…there are two sides to the negotiation and I don’t think either has done well…but I don’t need to keep saying that. I don’t need to try to convince anyone…just thought the discussion could use more objectivity. It’s like a mob of anger at JT…and I’m saying maybe directing that at both parties would be more appropriate.

I agree 100%…And no different for the team as well. Their actions have reprocussions…there are two sides to every coin.

There are varying degrees to a holdout…and Irsay had already made comments previous than just that one. What made this holdout more contentious wasnt only JT…the Colts made this worse as well. I’m not going to place all the blame on JT. Like I said lots of teams have holdouts…it’s very common. This one took a strong left turn when? Again…JT and his agent started us down this road…the Colts haven’t done much imo to fix it….and in the end..as a paying consumer I’m left unhappy because in the end I just want the best product we can put on the field and that isn’t happening. So yeah…I put it on both sides. Always said that but apparently If I’m not lock step in support of Irsay and the team my opinion isn’t valid.

This is a problem across the entire league. There are certainly teams with better OL..and many with worse but there is almost no teams with better depth…across the league it’s the most common concern and issue. The league has a shortage of talent. I also think it’s more to do with the explosion of talent on the DL as well making the OL look less impressive. Ballard hasn’t failed imo…he has actively drafted, spent, and looked to develop the OL as much as any GM imo. Has it been successful…yes and no. Having a mobile qb is a way to offset these deficiencies…I think Ballard recognizes that and it’s part of the equation. I don’t give him a pass but this team has a lot of holes and you can’t just put all your resources into that one position group.

Wanting paid more is not the problem in any of this situation. Holding out is not a problem…it’s a bargaining tool…and a ton of players use it every year in negotiating. The reactions on both sides to that have been both poor imo and the problem. Again imo….I know mine differs from others.

Irsays comments started before that one as well. But yes JT was already holding out and wanting traded…but if your goal is to get your best player and reconcile the relationship I’m pretty sure that comment didn’t bring the sides closer together. Players demand trades/wash their social media etc all the time and later work it out (as it’s a lot of times posturing). To say all along you want JT to be a Colt and want him here long term but talk that way…it’s contradictory to your goal. It also undoubtedly made the situation worse…and in return our team worse…as clearly we are not better off without JT especially if we don’t get compensation.

But that’s the thing…the small difference in what someone says and how they say it and when they say it effects the what is being said tremendously.

Maybe…certainly thicker skin can help…but in general…humans like to feel valued. They also like to work for companies and with people that value them…not just monetarily but show that in other ways too. I just don’t think Irsays comments helped our cause.

What it is is terribly insulting. Might also speak to how Taylor feels valued by the Colts. Whether we agree with how Taylor has handled all this or the Colts…it was a horrible comment and that is just publicly what Irsay has said. Who knows what was said privately…but if he is that insensitive in public…we’ll make that what you will. Taylor now feels unwelcome, undervalued, and offended by the Colts. So he demanded a trade. Lots of issues on both sides of this thing. You don’t hear the Chiefs owner coming out and saying if Chris Jones is out of the league tomorrow no one will miss him…he is doing the same thing holding out.

That’s some organization…sure bet that would make players flock to sign with a team that treats its star player like that. Admitting he was right to be upset from the start and that we lied in saying we would take care of our players that earn it on the field. Not saying we won’t do that…but man that wouldn’t play well in media, with JT, nor with other agents and players.

After the way all of this has gone down…I don’t see the Colts doing that and forcing him to play another year on the tag. Just hard for me to believe we would do that. After him doing all this we are going to say yep…you were right JT. We won’t sign you long term just like you were upset about. After you just balled out for us again we still don’t think you deserve a long term deal. That wouldn’t sit too well..with JT and probably other players/agents in the league. Hard to see us going down that road. We pay him, we let him walk if he is bad, we tag just so we trade him.

If he plays well after all this crap…why would we not give him what we said we would if he proved it. To me we sign him long term, let him walk, or trade him….tagging him imo would be really distasteful after what we’ve been telling him all this time. We would be proving his point all along that we wouldn’t extend him and he was right to demand a trade.

True…but also why I can see why RBs are so upset. Would you want your entire career to be controlled by a company that you didn’t have a choice to even work for? A qb like Cousins has a long career and can wait it out and has much smaller chances to suffer a career ending injury. I know it’s in the CBA and that’s just how it is but I can see why running backs with such a small career window want changes. I don’t like the franchise tag personally. I know it benefits my team and me as a fan but I understand it from a human perspective. You sign a 4 year contract…you fullfil it you should then be able to control your destiny to sign anywhere…get the most money you can….players don’t have a choice on the 1 year contact…they have to take it. I wonder…if I’m a top running back…instead of signing the standard contract could they just hold out right off the bat for a one year contact so they could control the most valuable years of their service? I bet not…so to say you signed a contact you should honor it…well it’s not like they really negotiated that contract…they had to sign it..they had no other options.

I don’t see how we tag him next year (unless it’s just to trade him). If he has played well enough to be tagged we should sign him long term…if we don’t want to sign him long term we should trade him. If he hasn’t played well he probably will just be allowed to walk and we not use the tag. We may need to save that for other players (Pittman).