J@son

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  1. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    eh, 50/50 is the best I'll give you. I do agree that they could have done things much better, but I put equal blame on those who are too stubborn to actually listen to the message because they're so stuck on the method.
  2. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    And again this is why I brought up the Rosa Parks situation. Sometimes doing things the nice and easy way doesn't work. Maybe it would have for you specifically, but there are still hundreds of thousands that would have had issue with Kaep no matter what form of protest he chose. Maybe he felt the issue was bad enough that immediate drastic action was needed. Perhaps he didn't want to try doing things the nice way while more innocent people are killed. Again, so many people didn't bother to consider that and are more focused on the fact that they don't like Kaep's actions.
  3. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    agreed!
  4. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    And did you not also say it's Kaep's problem, not yours? "Yeah, it's always someone else's problem (according to you it's Kaep's problem that he protested the wrong way...in a way that you didn't like), it couldn't possibly be an issue with you and others inability to understand (you've admitted that if he protested in a more PC manner that most people wouldn't have a problem with it because they'd focus more on the point and not the method. So that is you and these others that have the inability to understand what point Kaep was trying to make...or the complete lack of interest in trying to find out since all you are concerned about is him doing something in a way that doesn't offend you) "
  5. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    Prove to us that he never tried taking those routes and was simply ignored? Which ironically is something I mentioned in the post that you quoted that you conveniently ignored.
  6. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    again...pot meet kettle ;)
  7. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    I completely agree with you there
  8. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    Both were upset about things that were happening in society. They were both sick of racial injustice and they both took extreme steps that could not be ignored in order to try to get society to change. As I said, I don't put them on the same level as being equal acts...but they both did something that made those around them uncomfortable in order to try to make things better for others around them.
  9. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    well that's your problem too...I understand the point you were making. My counter point is that trying to do the nice thing and respecting everyone's delicate opinions doesn't always get your point across. Sometimes it takes more drastic measures and upsetting the balance...questioning societal norms...to get your point across. I don't buy for a second that kneeling for the anthem was Kaepernick's first step in his pursuit of change. Perhaps he tried going to local law enforcement, even state law enforcement, town hall, writing to congress etc etc etc. When none of those channels worked, he chose a more drastic measure. Something that couldn't be ignored or swept under the rug. Something that people would HAVE to notice. Maybe if people would stop worrying about their butt hurt feelings and trying to find out what he and others are truly protesting against rather than worrying about their form of protest, then that could also lead to quicker change.
  10. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    well there's the pot calling the kettle black
  11. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    No they are exactly the same thing, just to different degrees. Rosa Parks "sat down" to make a point and to try to enact change. Kaep "knelt down" to make a point and to try to enact change. No we are not back in the 60's but unfortunately some people prefer to pretend we're still living there.
  12. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    Rosa Parks sitting at the front of the bus and refusing to get up offended a lot of people. But it still led to change. Should she have not done what she did?
  13. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    haha..gotcha
  14. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    ok here's where we may differ, I'm not entire sure...i actually have an example of this. I was staying with family of a friend of a friend and we got back to their house after a long day of sightseeing. I took my shoes and socks off when we got back to their place. However I later found out they were horribly offended by me taking my socks off. I thought it was completely stupid but I put my socks back on. I was in their home. I knew right then I would never come back to their home after that trip was over, but I followed their wishes for the remainder of that trip. Now, if I'd been in someone else's home with those same people, and the home owners had no problem with me taking my socks off then I would take my socks off without a concern about the other couple of guests that might have found it offensive. I am a respectful person and I definitely have common courtesy...but there's a limit. I'm not going to avoid any potentially offensive comment or action while I'm out in public so as to not offend anyone around me. If I do something in public you find offensive, then I'm just going to suggest that we walk away from each other so you can't see or hear me. But bottom line, someone telling me "that's offensive and I don't want you to do it" is NOT reason for me to not do something. If you can give me a legitimate reason that's not "well it's a generally accepted norm" then I'll absolutely consider it. But if "it's the societal norm" is the only thing you can come up with then I'll quickly and happily ignore your concern. Again..using you and your in the broad, general sense.
  15. J@son

    NFL adopts new Anthem policy

    I completely understand "generally accepted norm" but some of them are just stupid. Other "generally accepted norms" from the past were downright harmful...slavery was at one time considered a generally accepted norm. Times change, people change. We can't hold on and try to enforce a set of values that were created hundreds of years ago.