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    With all the talk of GOATs during the offseason, I thought I'd pitch in my two cents on the topic... Previous ORS installments ORS1: The best Indianapolis Colts team ever ORS2: Which Indianapolis Colt are you? ORS3: Dissecting the 15th overall pick ORS4: Choose your contract ORS5: Which Simpsons characters are the Indianapolis Colts? ORS6: The best trash-talking moments of Peyton Manning's career ORS7: My favourite Andrew Luck throws ORS8: Changes the NFL needs right now ORS9: Projecting Moncrief's contract ORS10: The NFL's MVP award ORS11: So you want to draft a running back Mod note: this topic is simply my opinion and by no means objective truth. Please keep all comments constructive and related on the topic. Posts breaking the forum rules will be hidden and this topic will be closed if things get too far out of hand Just a heads up, this post is fairly lengthy. I put a fair amount of research into it and wanted to use as many objective facts and numbers as possible, so there is a lot to dissect and discuss here. My case for Peyton Manning as the greatest quarterback of all time The number one argument against Peyton Manning as the greatest of all time is his playoff record (14-13 compared to Joe Montana’s 16-7 and Brady’s 25-9) and how he has 2 Super Bowl championships whereas Montana has 4 and Brady now has 5. However, the thing this argument fails to take into account is that football is a team game. There is no doubt in my mind that the 49ers and Patriots have had far better teams than what the Colts gave Peyton Manning. Montana and Brady both have/had Hall of Fame head coaches in Walsh and Belichick for most, if not all, of their careers. Not only that, but both Brady and Montana had multiple Hall of Fame players on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, this should serve as more evidence of Manning’s greatness; if you look at how many wins a QB has with a defense ranked 16th of worse in points surrendered, Peyton Manning ranks first all time with 93 (!) regular season wins and 9 postseason wins, for a total of 102 wins (for the record, he has 200 total wins as a quarterback, so more than half of his career wins were accomplished with a bad defense). Brady, on the other hand, has 20 such wins in 17 seasons and Montana had 5 in 15 years. Peyton has had to do more with less, reinforcing his status as the best of all time. However, team accomplishments (wins, Super Bowl, etc.) are just that – team accomplishment – so let’s try to leave those aside and look at Manning’s numbers as an individual. MVPs Firstly, let’s start with the foremost individual accomplishment: most valuable player. In his career, Peyton Manning won 5 MVPs. No other player has won that many MVPs…in fact, no other player in NFL history has won 4 MVPs, let alone tie Peyton with 5. From 1957 to 1998, the only QBs aside from Manning to win multiple MVPs are Johnny Unitas (3), Joe Montana (2), Steve Young (2), Brett Favre (3), Kurt Warner (2), Tom Brady (2), and Aaron Rodgers (2). When considering MVP/years played (I did my best to account for years not played due to injury, like Brady’s 2008 or Montana’s 1991 and 1992, but did not remove rookie years or years as a backup), the listed individuals line up like this: 1. Peyton Manning: 0.294 MVPs/year 2. Johnny Unitas: 0.176 MVPs/year 3. Aaron Rodgers: 0.167 MVPs/year 4. Kurt Warner: 0.167 MVPs/year 5. Brett Favre: 0.150 MVPs/year 6. Steve Young: 0.142 MVPs/year 7. Joe Montana: 0.142 MVPs/year 8. Tom Brady: 0.125 MVPs/year Peyton is way above the rest, at an unbelievable 0.3 MVPs/year. The gap between 2nd and 8th is 0.051; the gap between 1st and 2nd is over 200% larger, at 0.118. To see this graphically, so you can visualize just how great the separation is between Peyton and the rest of the quarterbacks on the list (click image to enlarge)… In addition, Peyton also holds the record as the oldest MVP in NFL history, winning it at age 37 in 2013, showing how long he was able to remain a force. And this data isn’t just for recent QBs, this is since 1958. His first MVP came at age 27, his last at age 37. In that span, he won 5 MVPs in 10 seasons (keeping in mind he missed 2011 with the neck injury). There’s just one word to describe that sort of accomplishment: dominance. Leading the league Secondly, let’s look at statistics to see how often various quarterbacks led the league in various statistical categories. It’s unrealistic to try and compare every statistic for every quarterback ever, so I’m going to shorten the list and explain my rationale behind it. In 2010, the NFL Network did a show counting down the 100 greatest players in NFL history. In the top 10, there were 3 QBs: Peyton Manning (8), Johnny Unitas (6), and Joe Montana (2). Of all of the QBs on the list, only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning continued their careers after the program aired, giving them an opportunity to add to their stats and accolades and improve their rankings. Thus, the QBs who would potentially be in the top 10 if the list was redone today would be Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas, and Joe Montana, since it's not likely for a player to be completely left off of the list in 2010 and make it into the top 10 in 2017. So let's look at these four quarterbacks... How many times did each player lead the lead in passing touchdowns? T-1. Brady – 4 T-1. Unitas – 4 T-1. Manning – 4 4. Montana – 2 How many times did each player lead the league in passing yards? 1. Unitas – 4 2. Manning – 3 3. Brady – 2 4. Montana – 0 How many times was each player selected to the first team All-Pro, and was overall an All-Pro selection? 1. Manning – 7 times first team, 10 times overall 2. Unitas – 5 times first team, 7 times overall 3. Montana – 3 times first team, 5 times overall 4. Brady – 2 times first team, 4 times overall How many times did each player win offensive player of the year? T-1. Manning – 2 T-1. Brady – 2 3. Montana – 1 4. Unitas – never won it since the award was initiated towards the end of his career How many times did each player lead the league in QB rating? T-1. Manning – 3 T-1. Unitas – 3 T-3. Montana – 2 T-3. Brady – 2 How many times did each player lead the league in completion percentage? 1. Montana – 5 2. Manning – 2 T-3. Brady – 1 T-3. Unitas – 1 Lastly, Pro-Football-Reference.com has an Advanced Passing category of statistics. If we look at Rate+ and ask how many times each player was the league leader… T-1. Manning – 3 T-1. Unitas – 3 T-3. Montana – 2 T-3. Brady – 2 What are the rankings like for each category? Manning: #1, #2, #1, #1, #1, #2, #1 Montana: #4, #4, #3, #3, #3, #1, #3 Brady: #1, #3, #4, #1, #3, #3, #3 Unitas: #1, #1, #2, #4, #1, #3, #1 In every stat I just listed, Peyton is never ranked below second among these four quarterbacks whereas every other quarterback is ranked 3rd or 4th at least once. Peyton Manning is also ranked 1st all-time for weighted career approximate value by Pro Football Reference. Peyton led his peers the most times in the most important individual categories for quarterbacks. Statistical rankings each year Lastly, let’s look at overall statistical performance each year. Instead of looking for which player threw for the most yards or most TDs in a season (which you can’t compare because of how much the game has changed), we’re going to see how they did compared to the rest of the league in each year. For example, 3700 passing yards would have been top 10 in 1985, but 19th in 2016. In order to normalize the numbers, I credited the players for how they ranked, not just their final numbers. Not only that, but I did this analysis in addition to the previous one because while the previous one gave credit to players for leading the league, exceptional play doesn’t always lead the league. For example, a QB being ranked #2 in pass TDs every year for 6 consecutive seasons is noteworthy, even though he never reached #1. The method: I started by (tediously) going through the passing statistics (completion percentage, yards, TDs, rating) for each year for the four aforementioned quarterbacks played and marking down how they ranked. Remember, we’re listing how they ranked against their peers, not what their numbers are. This is a way to make up for rule changes and normalize the data. I then wanted to compare each player using the same overall ranking (/32), so I extrapolated the data if fewer teams played. For example, in a season with 28 teams, I extrapolated the ranking to 32 (eg. 5/28 = 5.7/32 = 6/32). To make up for injuries, I excluded any seasons where the players played less than 70% of that season’s games due to injuries (Manning 2011, Brady 2008, Unitas 1968, Montana 1986, 1991-1993); if the players weren’t injured and simply weren’t playing well (eg. Unitas in the early 70s), I kept those seasons in. I then assigned points to each player’s season based on rankings (32 points for #1, 31 points for #2, 30 points for #3…2 points for #31, 1 point for #32, 0 points for ranking below #32). Lastly, I will present the points as average score for their career instead of overall points to normalize for differences in career lengths. Keeping in mind that a higher score is better, we see that… The results: Category Quarterback – Score (/32) Completion percentage Peyton Manning – 27 Joe Montana – 27 Tom Brady – 23 Johnny Unitas – 19 Yards Peyton Manning – 28 Tom Brady – 26 Joe Montana – 21 Johnny Unitas – 21 Touchdowns Peyton Manning – 29 Tom Brady – 28 Joe Montana – 21 Johnny Unitas – 20 Rating Tom Brady – 27 Peyton Manning – 26 Joe Montana – 26 Johnny Unitas – 20 Peyton Manning’s rankings are #1, #1, #1, and #2. Joe Montana’s rankings are #2, #3, #3, and #3 Tom Brady’s rankings are #3, #2, #2, and #1 Johnny Unitas’ rankings are #4, #4, #4, and #4. However, one might say that this is unfair. Unitas was not injured in the 1971-1973 seasons, but was just old and wasn’t playing well. It’s unfair to hold those seasons against him. To make up for poor play and just look at how each player performed at their best, I removed Manning 2015, and Unitas 1971-1973. This only furthered Manning’s dominance. Category Quarterback – Score Completion percentage Peyton Manning – 28 Joe Montana – 27 Tom Brady – 23 Johnny Unitas – 23 Yards Peyton Manning – 30 Tom Brady – 26 Johnny Unitas – 26 Joe Montana – 21 Touchdowns Peyton Manning – 30 Tom Brady – 28 Johnny Unitas – 24 Joe Montana – 21 Rating Peyton Manning – 28 Tom Brady – 27 Joe Montana – 26 Johnny Unitas – 24 The updated rankings become: Peyton Manning: #1, #1, #1, #1 Joe Montana: #2, #4, #4, #3 Tom Brady: #3, #2, #2, #2 Johnny Unitas: #4, #3, #3, #4 Another way to interpret this data is that when he was fully healthy, an average Peyton Manning season was top 5 (scores of 28/32 or higher) in terms of completion percentage, touchdowns, yards, and passer rating. No other quarterback on the list can say that. Just think about how ridiculous that statement is: Peyton Manning was a statistical top 5 quarterback every year for 16 years. Nowadays, the average NFL career lasts 3.3 years ; Peyton Manning was a top 5 quarterback for 16 years. Not only did he lead his peers the most, but he consistently ranked among the best in the game each year he played. The counter: Who do people claim is the best of all-time? As of right now, it is stated by many that it’s Tom Brady. He has the most Super Bowl rings out of any quarterback in NFL history with 5. Brady has gone 5-2 in 7 Super Bowls while Peyton went 2-2 in 4 of them. Montana went 4-0 and never threw a pick in a Super Bowl and Unitas was a 4 time champion himself. Seven Super Bowls is an incredible accomplishment and I don’t mean to take anything away from Brady. He's an exceptional quarterback who will undoubtedly and deservedly go down as one of the greatest to ever play. But Super Bowls and championships are a team accomplishment. Take away one of the greatest head coaches in NFL history and how many Super Bowls does Tom Brady have? If the Seahawks and Falcons do the logical thing and run the ball at the right time and Brady could very well be 3-4 in Super Bowls. Not only that, but all of the Pats’ Super Bowls have been one-possession games, meaning the Pats could easily be 0-7 (or 7-0, to be fair). Alternatively, take the dominant force that was Peyton Manning and give him a credible defense (see above note about wins with bad defenses) or pair him up with Belichick and see how many rings he wins. Furthermore, there are no asterisks next to Peyton Manning’s accomplishments. Brady on the other hand… The conclusion: When you set the team accomplishments aside and compile all of the individual awards and accolades, the evidence shows that there is no individual quarterback in NFL history as consistently dominant as Peyton Manning. As Colts fans, we were very fortunate to have him on our side. What do you think Peyton, are you the greatest of all time?
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    Every year. I think Luck and Rodgers playing often would be a battle for the ages. Out of any NFL team Colt fans are the most classy visitors to come to Lambeau. You guys are always welcome here. Your fun to tailgate with and chat with. I hope you guys go to the Super Bowl if we don't get there. Like I said it would be fun if we were in the same conference or division. Well maybe not for us as you might beat us lol. I can't wait for football. Would you guys love to play us often?
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    Luck won't start throwing just because a) it's been six months since his operation, or b) because this is 8 weeks before the season starts. Neither of those "timeframes" are important. Luck will start throwing once he's cleared by the medical staff, and not a moment before. If that happens to be this week, it will be purely coincidental.
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    http://forums.colts.com/topic/49818-why-im-beefing-with-the-colts-passing-offense/ This is prompted by the ongoing conversation about the Colts passing attack in multiple threads, and a followup to my previous thread which I've been meaning to get around to anyway. Again, pardon my rudimentary screenshots and diagrams, but I am adding some all-22 looks to this breakdown. I'm going to focus on the deciding possession against the Texans in Week 14, when the season was basically on the line. Yes, the Texans were one of the best defenses in the league last year, but these plays illustrate how it's more a function of the offense hurting itself than it is being stopped, even by a good defense. #1: 4th quarter, 2:11 remaining, down 22-17 at home, it's 1st and 10 on your own 49 yard line. The Colts are in 11 personnel, lined up in shotgun with one receiver on the left, two WRs and a TE on the right, and the single back to the QB's left (where Clowney is lined up across from Castonzo). You can see that the DBs are playing a reasonable depth off of the receivers, about 5 yards, and the Texans have 6 defenders in the box, showing a pressure look with single high coverage and a likely spy/zone across the middle from the weakside safety. Now, it's late in the game, the Colts need a TD, and they have no timeouts, so you can't go super conservative, but you're up against the two minute warning here and wherever you go with the ball, the clock is going to stop without costing you a lot of time, so the middle of the field is in play. You have a loose bunch at the top of the screen, and the safety being over the top of your 3 man grouping suggests a double team. The weak spot, especially against a pressure look, is the open area in front of the weakside safety, who is 14-15 yards off the LOS when the ball is snapped. After the snap, the loose bunch runs an inside/out combo, but that side of the field is flooded with an extra defender, so no one comes free right away. The middle receiver runs a deep corner, which is doubled; the outside receiver runs an 8 yard comeback, and the TE runs a 5 yard out, which is covered. The comeback comes open, but only after the area is cleared by the other two routes. On the single receiver side, Rogers runs 10 yards and simply turns around. The DB never flips and turns, so he's in position to break on the "comeback" route (Rogers never really comes back, and Luck double clutches while looking in his direction). You can see the short middle is still open, even though the safety is crashing down and a linebacker is zoning across the middle. By the time Luck double clutches, he's being pressured, and can't come back to the open short comeback at the top of the screen. The deep receiver is doubled, the TE is covered, and Luck is being hit. The ball flails as Luck gets it away, and it falls incomplete in the flat. Here's the end zone angle, from behind the play: You can see from this angle that Luck has good enough protection. It takes 2+ seconds before he's under pressure, and he double clutches before getting hit and throwing the ball. This is a 'take what they give you' situation. The play is well covered from the time the ball is snapped, because the Texans have disguised their coverage pretty well, and they're taking away the deep receiver. Bringing one of the bunch receivers to the other side of the formation would have exposed the coverage, or opened up a better hot opportunity. But even the way the offense lined up, Rogers could have run a quick slant to give Luck a throwing window before the safety was in position to defend the pass. Rogers could have run an actual comeback instead of just turning around and then drifting toward the sideline, giving Luck no window to throw. The open receiver wound up being none other than Phillip Dorsett, who ran the short comeback on the right side. If Luck throws the ball at the height of his drop, rather than coming back to the left side, Dorsett is open just behind the linebacker, the outside defender is covering the TE out, and the other corner is turning to run with Hilton. This is a first and 10 play call, around midfield, with the game on the line and no real time constraints to be concerned with. Not only do we play right into the strength of the defense, ignoring the part of the field that looks like it will be open presnap, but the receiver who 'never gets any separation' came open right on time, but didn't get targeted.
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    If you're having a hard time believing it, I was actually able to track down images from that game. Here's Manning & Glenn, clearly communicating with the aid of a hearing device.
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    Sure do miss that guy and those orange gloves
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    Nothing can make pre-season games more exciting. I spend the pre-season just hoping to make it out without big time injuries
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    Not trying to rant but man we'll sit here and say there's no point in making predictions or talking about the season until it starts, and then right away complain about how there's nothing to talk about in the off season .
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    Obviously most of us do root for the Colts on this forum, but this is a really good article about the Colts. http://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000817450/article/why-you-should-root-for-the-indianapolis-colts?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3dwhy-you-should-root-for%3bteam%3dind%3bconf%3dafc%3bdvsn%3dacs%3bplyr%3dfranklin_gore%3bplyr%3dmalik_hooker%3bplyr%3dryan_tannehill&p.ct=Why+You+Should+Root+For&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp
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    I haven't seen this posted...https://www.theplayerstribune.com/robert-mathis-colts-i-am-indy/ I think all Colts fans will enjoy this article.
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    Did anyone catch Colin Cowherd's show today? A big part of his show today was about NBA free agents needing to get out of bad situations with teams that weren't doing enough to help them win now. One of the players that was discussed as needing to get the hell out of dodge was Paul George. After discussing this, Cowherd segued into a discussion of the NFL. He asked the question to the audience of why NFL players (specifically QBs) aren't following suit with NBA stars in demanding trades and/or not showing blind loyalty to the franchise that drafted them. The question posed was general, however, Cowherd quickly made this segment specifically about Andrew Luck and the Colts. He stated that as far as he could tell, Andrew Luck's situation was the same as Paul George on the Pacers. Both on teams that weren't doing anything to help their respective star and both stuck in Indianapolis -- a city that doesn't attract any free agents. He said that Luck (and Aaron Rodgers -- who was sort of looped into the discussion) should be on the phone with his agent and looking around at other teams to go to. I actually generally like Cowherd, but I thought this comparison to Paul George and the Pacers was very apples to oranges. For one, in the NFL, you really can't form "Superteams" like you can in the NBA these days. For one, the biggest stars are the QBs, and Luck, Rogers, and Brady aren't going to all play for the Patriots to win a ring because there is only one of them that can be a starter. In the NBA the players are much more interchangeable. Sure, you have five different positions, but the line between each of these is becoming more and more blurred in today's NBA. This is a huge difference from the NFL where you have 11 guys on each side of the ball that all are specialists in what they do. It makes it really hard to have the "best" at each position on the same team because there is so much ground to cover. I also think there is a clear "culture" difference between the NBA and the NFL. I don't think players are looking for a cheap ring in the NFL like they are in the NBA. I also think this is part of the reason why the NBA ratings are taking a hit -- people are somewhat turned off by this "if you can't beat em join em" mentality in the NBA right now. Just my two cents.
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    What fun is it if we can't talk about how we think a player will play? We gotta have some stuff to talk about.
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    Solid article, terrible headline. Luck's in the 2nd year of a 6-year contract, and just getting ready to hit his prime, he's not "at a crossroads." QBs who's careers ARE at a crossroads: Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Blake Bortles. Luck will smash teams once the OL & defense catches up to his level of play. I'm not sure we can say that about the other 3 guys.
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    He could be just going hunting.
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    I reject the position that states that not scoring points -- and of course, not winning games -- is entirely on the QB. You mentioned the Raiders game. Luck threw two really bad picks in that game, which hurt the team. The defense also also got scored on five possessions in a row, with an average drive distance of 65.6 yards. The shortest scoring drive was 38 yards, after Gore's fumble, so Luck's turnovers didn't give the defense short fields to defend. Oh, and I should mention, all five of those scoring drives ended in TDs. So for half the game, the defense did nothing, got zero stops, couldn't even force a FG. Put blame where it's due, which is partly on Luck, but mostly on the defense. Even an average defense could be counted on for a stop at some point during that stretch, and then it's a different game. (As an aside, the Colts had the momentum before Carr got hurt. It doesn't really matter since they couldn't complete the comeback, but they had already and finally gotten a stop on the prior drive, then Carr got sacked on 2nd and 18, the play where he got hurt, bringing up 3rd and 26. The Raiders were punting with or without Carr. The Colts scored a TD, got a stop, scored a FG, then couldn't get the ball back. Only one Raiders possession was really altered by Carr's injury.) Luck also played well enough to beat Detroit and Houston the first time. The defense faltered with the game on the line both games. And I absolutely blame coaching / play calling for the Denver game, and the second Houston game (I did a breakdown of the god-awful play calling on the final possession). I also did a breakdown of some of the critical plays in the Raiders game, and I believe that better play calling might have made that a winnable game, even with the terrible defensive performance. Get the man some help, so he doesn't have to be flawless from bell to bell for the team to win a few games in a row. Get some momentum, and maybe make some common sense offensive adjustments, and you'll have a chance to beat some upper echelon AFC teams. Stop calling the most 7 step drops in the league, and maybe Luck isn't concussed for the Steelers game, and maybe you get a W there (we left at least 14 points on the field on the goal line, whereas the Colts offense with Luck was one of the most efficient red zone units in the league; we also had two 4th quarter interceptions). Luck's play was not perfect last season, by any stretch of the imagination. We all know what his flaws are, but we also know what his strengths are, and how much of a playmaker he is when he's on his game. If we can muster up even an average defense, we'd be a 10+ win team easily, including last season (I can argue for 12 wins last year). When we give up less than 20 points, we win 93% of those games; the problem is we only hold opponents under 20 points 35% of the time since 2012 (compared with the Chiefs, who do it 60% of the time). And if we adjust the offense, the QB won't get sacked as much and the offensive efficiency would improve across the board (I've typed many words on this over the last several seasons, including the last couple months). Luck is absolutely NOT the reason we're not good enough to hang with elite AFC teams. He can play better, but laying it at his feet is nonsense. Fix the defense and the play calling, and our 4,200 yard, 31 TD QB with the 96 passer rating would be more than good enough to beat good teams and go to the SB. And even if he does need to play 10% better over the course of the season, that's probably reason #328 why the Colts aren't good enough to make the SB. Let's check off the other 327 before we worry about Luck's performance.
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    With Geathers and Hooker currently hurt, Green is almost a lock to make it. If nothing else, he's insurance
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    Wow... So much for sportsmanship and respect for the game huh? This might be the dumbest statement I've ever read.
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    Going to be good? He is already good, very good.
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    Sounds right for odds. But if Luck is ready to go, this should be a 10 win team, or better.
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    Suspend Manning, Jim Mora, Howard Mudd, and Tarik Glenn for the first 4 games next season. Problem solved.
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    Right up front, I should say that I generally am an admirer of Colin Cowherd, but I don't watch since he moved to Fox. Not a fan of that network. That said, he's got things completely mixed up. The systems in place for players in the two leagues are completely different. The players hold all the cards in the NBA. They can move around freely. But in the NFL, if Andrew Luck said he wanted out, the Colts wouldn't have to honor that. Why should they. He's got a big contract, and no one is promised anything, and football is a bigger team game than Basketball. If Luck's contract were up, the team could just slap a franchise tag on him for a year or two or three, just as Washington has with Kirk Cousins. Owners and teams have the power and leverage in the NFL. This is not about Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers. This is about how the leagues and the respective players unions run things. Completely different. By the way, unless something has changed, Luck is Cowherd's favorite player. Loves the guy. If he's not 1st, then he's likely in the top-5.
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    1998 Topps Mint 10 Condition Peyton Manning Rookie Card Signed by the legend himself and my wife and I's engagement picture signed also. With a hand written letter from Manning to top it all off. For my wedding present my wife stole my prized possession, wrote a letter to Peyton about my special needs son and I, sent him a wedding invitation, mailed it all to Denver Broncos Training Facility. Peyton then followed suite with the above items. On my wedding day I cried for more than one reason needless to say. Lol.
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    Just watch what the man can do. One year starter, and he has great instincts (makes the right read against a 2 man route combo), great range (center field at the 20 to the pylon, basically while the ball is in the air), great ball skills (doesn't mater who's throwing the ball, he has great eyes and hands), and he makes plays. Again, watch him play. I formed the opinion that he helped his corners more than they helped him. Conley in particular is an aggressive corner, and was allowed to be so by the help from Hooker. No doubt they all helped each other, but it's obvious that Hooker's abilities and traits stand on their own merits. This is a legit concern. But he reportedly played through a shoulder injury and a hernia late last season -- including the clip above -- and still performed well. He said he opted for surgery so he could make a full recovery. I wouldn't be surprised if he's limited a fair portion of this coming season, but until he has recurring injuries or struggles to stay on the field, I'm not too worried about it. You didn't mention his tackling, probably the one concerning area of play for me. Not that he can't tackle, but his angles and technique are lacking to begin with, and can get sloppy at times. If he's disciplined -- and healthy -- I think he'll be fine.
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    "Didn't think we needed a safety in the 1st" TJ Green doesn't need to touch the field, we badly needed a safety partner for Geathers Now even Geathers career is in jeopardy so we might have to draft another safety next year
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    Love this photo of 98 and 93 getting after Grossman.
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    Ahhhhhh, I can smell the stadium already!!!
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    Isn't anyone else excited? They had a full month off and no one got into any legal trouble lol
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    I don't EVER want to see one of our guys intentionally injure anyone. That's not good football. Vengeance and dirty play only leads to more of it. I would lose a lot of respect for that player. Smashmouth football is cool, but just say "no" to intentional injuring someone. Just my opinion.
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    I enjoy watching Packer's games in general. If we played on a consistent basis, that would be even better. The Colts/Packer's "Chuck Strong" game will always be entrenched in my brain as the greatest game I have ever attended... Reggie Wayne and those orange gloves
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    While I agree with your study of the cap situation calling for a new head coach is too pre mature. I know it's a popular subject to rag on Pagano in this forum but this forum don't determine who hires and fires head coaches. IMO if Pagano does a good job this up coming season he will not be fired.
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    Another ORS installment as the offseason rolls on... Previous ORS installments ORS1: The best Indianapolis Colts team ever ORS2: Which Indianapolis Colt are you? ORS3: Dissecting the 15th overall pick ORS4: Choose your contract ORS5: Which Simpsons characters are the Indianapolis Colts? ORS6: The best trash-talking moments of Peyton Manning's career ORS7: My favourite Andrew Luck throws ORS8: Changes the NFL needs right now ORS9: Projecting Moncrief's contract ORS10: The NFL's MVP award In the 2017 NFL Draft, much was made of the available running backs for the Colts. Many mocks had the Colts taking Dalvin Cook from Florida State. In fact, we even had a thread where some thought we should have taken Cook over Hooker at the 15th spot. The counter to that claim is usually that taking a running back in the first round does not give you a strong return on your investment. RBs take so much wear and tear that they don't last very long. This got me to thinking, how long do RBs last in the NFL, and would it have been worth it for the Colts to take Cook at the 15th spot? When do running backs peak? There is a common acknowledgement that after age 30, NFL players begin to see a dip in their production. The belief is that this holds even truer for running backs, whose jobs force them to take tons of hits and pounding throughout their careers. However, there are many who believe using a first round pick on a running back is a good investment. So when do running backs usually peak and are they worth first round picks? Are good running backs able to last long enough in the NFL that they provide a good return on the investment of a first round pick? The sample I decided to analyze rushing yards per game, games played, and games started for the entire career of some running backs. This would give me an idea of how good the running back is playing each year and how many games they miss due to injury or ineffectiveness. To extract a good sample, I used running backs who were top 10 in the league in rushing yards at least twice in from 2000 to 2010; this allowed me to examine running backs who actually had success, but also avoid any one year wonders. To make this a career-spanning study, I used data from 2000-2010 because that would allow me to examine the entire careers of players under analysis. That is, if I had included players beyond that, I wouldn’t be able to examine their entire career trajectory. And if I included players from earlier than 2000, rule changes and the nature of today's game might make that data not applicable. This gave me a list of 27 running backs to analyze. I excluded any season where the player had 4 or fewer games played. For the graphs that I will present, I took the average of the stats for the 27 RBs. The X-axis for all of the graphs is the number of years in the league rather than age of player. I figured it wouldn’t make sense to compare ages since players come into the NFL at a variety of ages, so the better comparison would be to compare years in the league. This would allow me to normalize comparisons to players who are at the NFL level, against NFL competition, in an NFL offense at the same time. The results Click on any graph to enlarge it I devised three graphs from this data. The first compared average YPG to number of years in the league. As you can see, there is a consistent growth in average YPG from the rookie year to about the 4th year, then there is slower improvement until about the 6th year, where RBs tend to peak. After that, it’s a downhill trend in production. Once RBs hit the 10 year mark, their production falls off a cliff. To see this data in a table… Year in league YPG Change from previous year % Change from previous year 1 48.5 N/A N/A 2 65.4 +16.9 +34.8 3 74.4 +9.0 +13.8 4 78.5 +4.1 +5.5 5 79.0 +0.5 +0.6 6 81.3 +2.3 +2.9 7 73.2 -8.1 -10.0 8 71.5 -1.5 -2.0 9 61.6 -9.9 -13.8 10 61.6 0 0 11 41.9 -19.7 -32.0 12 31.0 -10.9 -26.0 13 25.0 -6 -19.4 Take home message from this graph and table: RBs are usually productive for about 8 years. This next graph shows how long the RBs lasted. That is, of 27 RBs under analysis, what percentages played in their # season in the league? Reasons for missing a season could be injury that cost them at least 12 games (eg. Jamal Lewis in year 2, Ryan Grant in year 4) or careers ending/retiring (eg. Shaun Alexander’s last year was his 8th in the league). In this case, we see a constantly high availability until year 5, then a sharp and consistent decrease from years 6 to 13. RBs drop like flies after 7 years, with more than 20% of them not playing an 8th year. The only RBs of the group under analysis to make it to 13 years were Ricky Williams, who deserves an asterisk because he wasn’t in the league for two years in between, and Fred Taylor. Take home message from this graph: RBs tend not to last more than a decade. The next graph shows the average of how many games these RBs started each year as a pro As with previous graphs, we see an increase in starts made from years 1-6, then a consistent decrease. By year 12, only 5 RBs were still around (Fred Taylor, Marshall Faulk, Ahman Green, Ricky Williams*, Thomas Jones) and they were only starting an average of 2 out of their team’s 16 games. Take home message: After about 6 years, RBs starting seeing a dip in how many games they start, showing that their decline begins to be more evident to their coaches as well. Where did these RBs come from? Lastly, I thought it would be interesting to see where each of the running backs on this list were drafted. Of the 27 running backs included, 13 were first round picks and 14 were not. That means you absolutely do not need a first round running back for him to be a great player. For anyone interested, I am more than happy to include the names of the 27 RBs used in this analysis. What does it all mean? When you combine all of this data together, we see that RBs peak around years 5/6, and are decently effective until about year 8. This certainly does give credence to the theory that running backs hit a wall after age 30, as most players come into the league in their early 20s and an 8 year span of effective play would get them to around age 30. The bigger question is how this relates to first round picks. Under the CBA, first round picks have a 4 year deal with a fifth year team option. Assuming a pick follows the historic trend, he will show consistent improvement until his 5th year. Then come contract negotiations, where he will want a long term deal to reward him for the production of the last 5 seasons. With this data in mind, we can see that these running backs only have about 3 more years of good football left in them at this point. Furthermore, this data shows that successful running backs are first round picks only about 50% of the time. At the end of the day, it's always up to the GM and coaching staff to make their own decisions. If they feel it is worth it to take a running back in the first round, then they will do so. But with: 1) many teams going to running back by committee, 2) the great success non-1st-round RBs have had, and 3) only about 50% of running backs making it to their 10th year in the league, my personal opinion is that it is not worth it to use a first round pick on a running back. I think it would not have been worth it for the Colts to take Cook with the 15th pick, and I'm glad we didn't. One last thing to note: there are lots of statistics and data one can analyze. To make this analysis more thorough, it would be worth it to look at the performance of all first round pick running backs during that same time span. The above data shows successful running backs are first round picks about half of the time, whereas analyzing all first round pick running backs would provide different data and conclusions that would complement what it seen above.
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    Probably the O line.
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    Ha, good article. Thanks for sharing. In reading the thread topic I thought this was just gonna be a place to list reasons why we personally are Colts fans, so I immediately began brainstorming the reasons I'm a Colts fan... So I'll add that while growing up in East Central Indiana has made me a default Colts fan, (i believe you root for the hometown team), I also find Irsay endearing despite all of his downfalls. Say what you will about the Willy Wonka of the NFL world, Irsay can be generous to a fault, has a hugnormous heart, & wears his emotions on his sleeve, a trait that may be all too uncommon for people in his position. I also appreciate Irsay's love of counter culture & would love to see his copy of the original scroll manuscript of 'On the Road' & discuss Kerouac's work, or even pick out a few riffs out on any number of guitars in Jim's collection, especially his Irwin Tiger guitar originally made fanous by Jerry Garcia... So on top of the good list of reasons to be a Colts fan in Rank's article, I guess I thought I'd add a few myself...
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    Hi, first timer here. Great discussion. I became a serious Colts fan as soon as they drafted Malik. Hooker's injury was a torn hip labrum, not a shoulder labrum. He showed great range picking off Watson with that injury. The sports hernia should be even less concerning. All this kid has done in basketball and football is win. I'm pleased he came from my home town. Football fans in Western PA that have seen Ty Law, Darrell Reevis and other great DBs over the years know this kid is exceptional. DBs from there had better be good because the QBs have been special, too (Blanda, Unitas, Namath, Marino, Montana, Kelly, to name a few). Sit back and enjoy the show! It'll be hard to keep your eyes off him. Go, Co!ts.
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    Wait, people still watch the NBA??
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    Ticket stubs from the 2006 season tickets & that AFC Championship game!!! The only memorabilia I need!!!
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    Game used Eric Dickerson 1990 Pro Bowl jersey Game used 1988 Eric Dickerson helmet Game used 1974 Bruce Laird jersey Game used 1992 Adam Graves jersey 1976 Kentucky Derby museum silks of Bold Forbes signed by Angel Cordero Jr. Over 600 horse racing programs (Triple Crown, Breeders Cup) in binder. Magic Johnson signed team issued sand knit Laker jersey. Limited signed horse racing plates Secretariat, Seattle Slew etc. Alysheba, Secretariat, Ruffian, Seabiscuit and Man O War statues 1970 salesman sample Colts Super Bowl V ring auctioned from Jostens. (Unitas) Over 100 signed mini helmets, Colts other teams, colleges. Peyton Manning signed Super Bowl 41 ball and helmet Bruce Laird and Bert Jones signed helmets I should put a slide show together.
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    I'll give you Russell, but his success is more team. Cam is older, none of the others you mentioned has surpassed Luck. Anyone will tell you he's done the most with the least.
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    With excellent defenses and a superior running game though, youngblood.....
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    Nothing to get too worked up about. I disagree with him. If you're going to criticize O'Brien for having a bad offense/QB play when he's an offensive-minded coach, you should criticize Pagano for having an awful defense when he comes from a defensive background.

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