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[ReMeDy]

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We all knew Ryan Leaf was in trouble, but 50 years!?! The prosecution would have to really throw the book at him, so I'm thinking 15 years is more generous.

Why didn't Leaf commit these felonies during a football season in-progress where they could be swept under the rug!?! Instead, he did it during a boring off-season 1-2 months before the draft! Makes no sense.

[Peyton and Eli fan]

I would think he'll end up with 5 years or so and that might do him some good.

[The Fish]

50 years is 25 which gets widdled further down.

[21isSuperman]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I can't help but feel bad for the guy

[Gramz]

There are no words.....

[Gavin]

Holy crap! I know he will get less then actually 50 but talk about a hard fall, compared to what he might have been if he had a good work ethic, to think we were in position to get him to but took Peyton

[FireJimCaldwell]

Our penal system is in dire need of an overhaul.

As many emails about that subject I keep getting, you would think someone would solve it already.

[MAC]

Non-violent criminals should never get that kind of sentence. The guy needs counseling and probably medication of some kind - not life in prison. Poor jerk.

[The Peytonator]

Hard for me to feel bad for a guy that made the same breaking-and-entering 'mistake' twice......in one week.

[Gramz]

Non-violent criminals should never get that kind of sentence. The guy needs counseling and probably medication of some kind - not life in prison. Poor jerk.

I totally agree....

[FireJimCaldwell]

Hard for me to feel bad for a guy that made the same breaking-and-entering 'mistake' twice......in one week.

That's the addiction controlling his mind, and not his own free will.

[Gavin]

I wish him the best and hope he turns it around, Unfortunately I just dont see this ending good for him, it doesnt for most drug users, I hope hes an exception

[ColtsLegacy]

Non-violent criminals should never get that kind of sentence. The guy needs counseling and probably medication of some kind - not life in prison. Poor jerk.

Not even an ENRON like Ponzi scheme, eh?

[ColtsReign]

That's the addiction controlling his mind, and not his own free will.

Addiction is a strong task-master. I feel sorry for him too. Praying he gets the help he needs!

[Gavin]

Ill say this, at some point you have to wish him the best and cut ties with a guy that continues to use especially when it gets to the level it has with him, like I said I hope he recovers and turns things around, but it wont happen because he got sent to prison, that stuff is easily accessible in their, the guy needs legitament help though before ya give up on the guy, if that help dont work then hey its fair to give up on him

[Fan of the MANinng]

Sorry, I dont feel a dang bit sorry for any doper. It was a choice. Leaf wasnt forced to take the pain killers. Got pain? So does alot of people. It isnt an excuse to go pop pills or rob people. I know someone in the same type of deal as Leaf, and I absolutly dispise them now. They lie, cheat, steal, hurt people, and dont care. Pills making them do it? Ok, put their butts in jail then. The enabilers in their lives only do more damage. Throwing pitty parties for them. I say toss his butt in jail/prison for 50 years. TWICE IN ONE WEEK! RRR!!







off my soap box now......

[chad72]

You would think there would be some person that would him accountable in his friends and family circle. Oh well!!!

[ruksak]

Prison would do Leaf some good, I truly believe this. He is obviously devoid of self-control to an extreme. Though I agree with others in this thread that non-violent crime shouldn't garner such horrid penalties. In regard to hydrocodone, the law is quite dubious in Texas in particular.

Possession amount and the accompanying penalty is figured by way of weight. They weigh the pills. Vicodin is 99% paracetamol (acetaminophen) and inert filler.

I'm not sure how much a Vicodin weighs, but in Texas possession of 4 grams or more is punishable by 2-20 years in state prison. Thats comparable to the penalty for a violent assault/robbery. Possession of 200 grams or more is 5 to 99 years in state prison.

Think about how flawed the logic is here. Lets say you have 1 gram of cocaine. You mix the cocaine into a 5 ounce chocolate bar. If you get caught with this 5 ounce chocolate bar.....do they charge you with possession of 5 oz of cocaine? These laws are quite dubious at best and wholly unfair. We fill our jails and prisons with non-violent criminals which causes overcrowding. Thus initiating a process of seeing violent criminals being offered up for early parole because we have to make room for addicts. 56% of all people in prison are there on drug charges.......56%

The overwhelming majority of drug arrests are for possession of marijuana, and most persons in prison for a drug offense have no history of violence or high-level drug selling activity.

This is not to spur a legalization debate or a debate about the merits of drug use (so please do not pursue this debate). Only to provide clarity as to why a former first round pick is essentially facing a "life" sentence. The dude needs to pay for his crimes but I could care less about his drug use. He needs to stop victimizing people. In Texas, you can kill a person if you catch them breaking into your home with virtual impunity. So he might want to put some thought to that when he gets out.

[MAC]

Not even an ENRON like Ponzi scheme, eh?

Of course that's more complicated - it's never a good idea to generalize. Enron (or Madoff) cases aren't exactly about serial killers, but they certainly did make a career of causing harm. Tough call.

In a sense, the act of publicly destroying their careers effectively eliminated the threat of them doing further damage. Instead of parking them in a country club prison on the taxpayers dime, I'd be more inclined to strip ALL personal assets, and put an enormous lien on them to the effect that when they end up working at McDonalds for $5/hour to survive, income is still being redirected to their victims. It's not like you have to worry about running into them in a dark alley. I think that sometimes white collar criminals are locked up to protect THEM from their victims. That's of little concern to me frankly.

[Andy]

Just to think that that could have been our "franchise" QB.

It was either him or one of the greatest players of all time.

[ruksak]

Just to think that that could have been our "franchise" QB.

It was either him or one of the greatest players of all time.

Ryan Leaf; A cautionary tale

To me his downfall has little to do with drugs and everything to do with choices. Drugs were merely a garnish on the crap salad that were his choices.

[ColtsLegacy]

Of course that's more complicated - it's never a good idea to generalize. Enron (or Madoff) cases aren't exactly about serial killers, but they certainly did make a career of causing harm. Tough call.

In a sense, the act of publicly destroying their careers effectively eliminated the threat of them doing further damage. Instead of parking them in a country club prison on the taxpayers dime, I'd be more inclined to strip ALL personal assets, and put an enormous lien on them to the effect that when they end up working at McDonalds for $5/hour to survive, income is still being redirected to their victims. It's not like you have to worry about running into them in a dark alley. I think that sometimes white collar criminals are locked up to protect THEM from their victims. That's of little concern to me frankly.

Yes, sir. That's all I was saying, you can't generalize all non-violent crimes.