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[Greenoughrunner]

Now sadly i have never been to a game before. But I no there is a huge picture of Manning. What do you think will happen to it

[HyToCrItE]

Giant "Go Daddy" ad.

[Dan]

Haven't they just put a big "Thank you Peyton" banner over it?

EDIT: Yes they have

[P-Money]

Peyton will always be on the building. If a statue isn't built after he retires I'll be overwhelmed with disappointment from the Colts organization but I don't believe we'll have to worry about that.

[Fx Stryker]

Yeah, This will probably be there until forever.

[Smonroe]

I'd be kind of leary putting Luck up there right away. The kid is going to have enough pressure on him as it is.

[Fx Stryker]

Peyton will always be on the building. If a statue isn't built after he retires I'll be overwhelmed with disappointment from the Colts organization but I don't believe we'll have to worry about that.

Statue needs to be this.

[NorCalColt]

Yeah, This will probably be there until forever.

I hope not... it will be tough enough for Luck to work in the proverbial shadow, but to have a literal ginormous reminder casting a shadow every day as he walks into his office.... no. That should go down before the season. Statues and the proper permanent glory will happen when the retirement is announced.

[Captain Americolt]

Eye voted 4 anton betha.
...errr
I mean Antoine Bethea

[Fx Stryker]

I hope not... it will be tough enough for Luck to work in the proverbial shadow, but to have a literal ginormous reminder casting a shadow every day as he walks into his office.... no. That should go down before the season. Statues and the proper permanent glory will happen when the retirement is announced.

Yea that's not going to happen.

[NorCalColt]

Yea that's not going to happen.

I actually disagree. He's an active player on another team. I think they will take it down for the season. They may frame it as an advertising decision (new marketing campaign), or new approach (the rest will come down too), whatever. But I don't think a member of the Broncos will be prominently displayed as everyone walks in to watch the Colts play. He will be honored in bronze, on the grounds, soon enough.

[Fx Stryker]

I actually disagree. He's an active player on another team. I think they will take it down for the season. They may frame it as an advertising decision (new marketing campaign), or new approach (the rest will come down too), whatever. But I don't think a member of the Broncos will be prominently displayed as everyone walks in to watch the Colts play. He will be honored in bronze, on the grounds, soon enough.

"Everyone" won't see a Bronco. Those "everyone" will see there QB they've enjoyed watching. I doubt anyone walking in LOS is going to have distaste at the Manning poster. Even if he is a Bronco.

[Gramz]

I actually disagree. He's an active player on another team. I think they will take it down for the season. They may frame it as an advertising decision (new marketing campaign), or new approach (the rest will come down too), whatever. But I don't think a member of the Broncos will be prominently displayed as everyone walks in to watch the Colts play. He will be honored in bronze, on the grounds, soon enough.

I would be very surprised if it came down.... LOS wouldn't even be there if not for HIM..... He may no longer play there, but he most defintely built the stadium...

[funktacious2]

Nothing say "Welcome!" to your new rookie QB than a giant picture of the legendary QB he has to live up to.

[NorCalColt]

"Everyone" won't see a Bronco. Those "everyone" will see there QB they've enjoyed watching. I doubt anyone walking in LOS is going to have distaste at the Manning poster. Even if he is a Bronco.

I didn't say anything about disaste. We'll see what happens to it in a few months. But for anyone still holding onto some etherial, mystic, bizarre thought that the NFL isn't a business, well... The Colts will likely do what every other team does - promote their own players.

[Fx Stryker]

Showing gratitude, to the first legend the Indy team has had, isn't holding onto anything. Thinking taking down a picture is going to shed the new QB from pressure is ludicrous. The poster is there for us fans, and no one else.

Peyton is and always will be Colt first and foremost.

[NorCalColt]

I would be very surprised if it came down.... LOS wouldn't even be there if not for HIM..... He may no longer play there, but he most defintely built the stadium...

And I would be as surprised if the Colts didn't promote their own players... and I'm not touching the unprovable assertion made for the 1000th time on this board about whether or not LOS would exist without PM. Since it exists, and PM played for the Colts, it's easy to make that statement, but impossible to prove or disprove. Building NFL stadiums takes a wee-bit more than a winning team and a HOF QB.

[Gramz]

And I would be as surprised if the Colts didn't promote their own players... and I'm not touching the unprovable assertion made for the 1000th time on this board about whether or not LOS would exist without PM. Since it exists, and PM played for the Colts, it's easy to make that statement, but impossible to prove or disprove. Building NFL stadiums takes a wee-bit more than a winning team and a HOF QB.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and thoughts, as I am mine. And we're clearly in disagreement. So, let's just not talk about it anymore, and see what happens... :-)

[southwest1]

And I would be as surprised if the Colts didn't promote their own players... and I'm not touching the unprovable assertion made for the 1000th time on this board about whether or not LOS would exist without PM. Since it exists, and PM played for the Colts, it's easy to make that statement, but impossible to prove or disprove. Building NFL stadiums takes a wee-bit more than a winning team and a HOF QB.

Getting the financing to build a state of the art football stadium is certainly contingent on union labor contracts, zoning rights & permits, mayor & governor approval, architects & city planners, & ticket & merchandizing sales. Do you honestly believe any of that would have happened without Peyton Manning? Multiple division titles, 2 AFC Championship trophies, & 1 Lombardi trophy. I seem to recall Indianapolis hosting a Superbowl this NFL calendar year as well. Pleeeezzzzzeeee remember that revenue sales build new stadiums & the NFL has shifted into a quarterback driven league. Thank you for your viewpoint Norcalcolt, but your conclusion is severely misguided IMO.

[Keith L. Scott]

If they do not use any players they just might use the space for a huge sign with a logo on it.

Might want to put a picture of coach Pagano on it so people actually know what he looks like.

Most likely it will be Reggie. He kind of deserves the nod since he re-signed with the team.

[ColtsPRIDE11]

Hmmmm...as far as the "Thank You Peyton" banner on LOS...do I think it will come down before the season or stay there forever...I'm honeslty riding the fence on that one. I get NorCalColt's point of view. And I also get Fx Stryker and Gramz's point of view of it staying there b/c Peyton is (and will forever be) a Colt (no matter the jersey he is wearing now).

I will pose this question: When Broadway Joe left the Jets to play for another team, did they keep huge momentos and reminders of him around? What about the 49ers and Joe Montana? Or the Phins and Dan Marino? And finally, what about Denver and John Elway? ... ...I honestly don't know but personally have never seen them.

I can see the reasoning behind it if the organization decides to take the banner down and will not be upset as I will understand that the NFL is a business and the fans need to make sure their focus is on the current Colts team.
Likewise if they keep it up to honor and respect Peyton, I will have no problem with it and would think that Andrew Luck is a mature enough person to take it for what it is: gratitude to our legend, our guy, the guy whom I hope to see in our FO in the future after his playing days...

[NorCalColt]

Getting the financing to build a state of the art football stadium is certainly contingent on union labor contracts, zoning rights & permits, mayor & governor approval, architects & city planners, & ticket & merchandizing sales. Do you honestly believe any of that would have happened without Peyton Manning? Multiple division titles, 2 AFC Championship trophies, & 1 Lombardi trophy. I seem to recall Indianapolis hosting a Superbowl this NFL calendar year as well. Pleeeezzzzzeeee remember revenue sales build new stadiums & the NFL has shifted into a quarterback driven league. Thank you for your viewpoint Norcalcolt, but your conclusion is severely misguided IMO.

We're seriously going to derail this post, which is a great topic by the OP, to get back to a question which can't be answered? As a matter of fact, yes, I think the NFL is and has been committed to keeping teams in their cities. The RCA Dome was the smallest stadium in the NFL, and therefor generated the least amount of revenue for every other team in the NFL. Revenues are shared amongst visiting teams, and the Colts generated the least amount of revenue for other teams.

More to the point, explain why LA doesn't have a team. Or why Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cincinnati remain in their cities. All horrible attendance, blacked out home games, and the NFL doing everything in their power to keep teams in their cities and not let them move. Or why the Bears, just a decade after major renevations to Soldier Field are in the process of trying to do it again (the answer is size - it's still too small and generates amongst the smallest profits for teams).

PM was a huge contributing factor to LOS. But for anyone to suggest that he was the only reason LOS was built is not only innaccurate, but is clearly not understanding the NFL business model, what other teams have done as well. There are 16 new stadiums in the NFL since 1998. PM play for all those teams? He build all those too? And the Vikings and Niners have new ones coming. It is painfully obvious many on this board aren't paying attention to the rest of the NFL, but lots of cities have new stadiums and have no PM. And cities like SF, with two HOF QBs, and one who is as much a part of the GOAT discussion as PM, couldn't get one built for years and years. They just broke ground.

[Gramz]

Hmmmm...as far as the "Thank You Peyton" banner on LOS...do I think it will come down before the season or stay there forever...I'm honeslty riding the fence on that one. I get NorCalColt's point of view. And I also get Fx Stryker and Gramz's point of view of it staying there b/c Peyton is (and will forever be) a Colt (no matter the jersey he is wearing now).

I will pose this question: When Broadway Joe left the Jets to play for another team, did they keep huge momentos and reminders of him around? What about the 49ers and Joe Montana? Or the Phins and Dan Marino? And finally, what about Denver and John Elway? ... ...I honestly don't know but personally have never seen them.

I can see the reasoning behind it if the organization decides to take the banner down and will not be upset as I will understand that the NFL is a business and the fans need to make sure their focus is on the current Colts team.
Likewise if they keep it up to honor and respect Peyton, I will have no problem with it and would think that Andrew Luck is a mature enough person to take it for what it is: gratitude to our legend, our guy, the guy whom I hope to see in our FO in the future after his playing days...

Well Said, as always.

[ColtsPRIDE11]

Well Said, as always.

Thanks Gramz

[FireJimCaldwell]

It is clearly the House that Peyton Built, and in my opinion it is the L.A. Colts at this point if he flaked out like Leaf did. Some will disagree with that statement and that is fine.

I wish they would have left the sign as is.. Meaning no "Thank you" thrown across the front of it.. I'll just leave it at that instead of expanding on that thought.

It wouldn't surprise me for them to take it down, and replace it with Bethea, or Mathis or some collage of players. Maybe they go the historic route and throw up a James or Harrison. I don't see a rookie going up there at this point. That would be a bit of a joke. They will take it down and it makes sense to take it down.

The statue will be there at some point. So will the name on the ring of honor. Just a matter of time.

[NorCalColt]

Hmmmm...as far as the "Thank You Peyton" banner on LOS...do I think it will come down before the season or stay there forever...I'm honeslty riding the fence on that one. I get NorCalColt's point of view. And I also get Fx Stryker and Gramz's point of view of it staying there b/c Peyton is (and will forever be) a Colt (no matter the jersey he is wearing now).

I will pose this question: When Broadway Joe left the Jets to play for another team, did they keep huge momentos and reminders of him around? What about the 49ers and Joe Montana? Or the Phins and Dan Marino? And finally, what about Denver and John Elway? ... ...I honestly don't know but personally have never seen them.

I can see the reasoning behind it if the organization decides to take the banner down and will not be upset as I will understand that the NFL is a business and the fans need to make sure their focus is on the current Colts team.
Likewise if they keep it up to honor and respect Peyton, I will have no problem with it and would think that Andrew Luck is a mature enough person to take it for what it is: gratitude to our legend, our guy, the guy whom I hope to see in our FO in the future after his playing days...

Your questions are exactly why I can't see a 40 foot picture staying up... No, the 49ers didn't leave Joe shrines up in SF as Young took over, Favre didn't have one, Namath didn't, Unitas diidn't.... not until they were retired. The OP I think aks a great question.

How do the Colts respectfully honor PM, the greatest Indy will likely ever see, while a) he is a member of a competing team, and b) the Colts must promote rebuilding, rebirth, new players, new everything.

Tough call, and not an easy answer.

[MAC]

I'm as big a Peyton fan as anyone, but it would seem a bit odd for the picture to stay up. Mind you I think that it would be kind of cool if it did, but I expect them to take it down by the first pre-season game. I think that it's only up there to ease the transition, since ripping it down while the wound was still fresh would have just been pouring gasoline on the fire. An absolutely brilliant public relations move, but time will change the perception.

The purpose of the photos is to promote the current team - in the same way that you fill the game program with photos and data about the current team. It has nothing to do with honored legends of the past - it's to get people exited about coming inside to watch. Using that space to promote an active player on a different team would be nothing less than bizarre. I have no idea if they will put Luck up, but it's entirely possible since he - in point of fact - will be a primary element in "getting people exited about coming inside to watch". His age and lack of experience really have nothing to do with it. How many people here are literally panting with anticipation of draft day? Whose jersey are they lining up to buy? Similarly who are they coming to see next fall? THAT'S whose poster you put up on the building. I'm sure that Irsay is already dreaming of the day when he can have Peyton back to honor him seven ways from Sunday, but hopefully that won't be for a LONG time. He has some more Super Bowls. to win.

[southwest1]

We're seriously going to derail this post, which is a great topic by the OP, to get back to a question which can't be answered? As a matter of fact, yes, I think the NFL is and has been committed to keeping teams in their cities. The RCA Dome was the smallest stadium in the NFL, and therefor generated the least amount of revenue for every other team in the NFL. Revenues are shared amongst visiting teams, and the Colts generated the least amount of revenue for other teams.

More to the point, explain why LA doesn't have a team. Or why Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cincinnati remain in their cities. All horrible attendance, blacked out home games, and the NFL doing everything in their power to keep teams in their cities and not let them move. Or why the Bears, just a decade after major renevations to Soldier Field are in the process of trying to do it again (the answer is size - it's still too small and generates amongst the smallest profits for teams).

PM was a huge contributing factor to LOS. But for anyone to suggest that he was the only reason LOS was built is not only innaccurate, but is clearly not understanding the NFL business model, what other teams have done as well. There are 16 new stadiums in the NFL since 1998. PM play for all those teams? He build all those too? And the Vikings and Niners have new ones coming. It is painfully obvious many on this board aren't paying attention to the rest of the NFL, but lots of cities have new stadiums and have no PM. And cities like SF, with two HOF QBs, and one who is as much a part of the GOAT discussion as PM, couldn't get one built for years and years. They just broke ground.

Where does a poor economy fit in your stadium equation? As people continue to pinch pennies in a tight economy season ticket holders in cities with new modifications to old stadiums or new stadiums entirely must have a playoff caliber team to justify spending limited financial fan resources on fan attendance. Also, Satellite TV has seriously cut into stadium revenues as well. Buy the NFL Direct TV Package & fans can avoid high gas prices, high food prices, traffic jams, long lines, belligerent, overzealous fanatics, & multiple camera angles & professional analysis from the comfort of their own home.

Football on a professional no longer dictates personal onsite attendance anymore. But, the NFL does get a huge slice of the TV broadcasting rights to make up for it. How much of that broadcasting pie the NFL gives to individual teams I have no idea. From my perspective, not every city deserves a new stadium.

[NorCalColt]

Where does a poor economy fit in your stadium equation? As people continue to pinch pennies in a tight economy season ticket holders in cities with new modifications to old stadiums or new stadiums entirely must have a playoff caliber team to justify spending limited financial fan resources on fan attendance. Also, Satellite TV has seriously cut into stadium revenues as well. Buy the NFL Direct TV Package & fans can avoid high gas prices, high food prices, traffic jams, long lines, belligerent, overzealous fanatics, & multiple camera angles & professional analysis from the comfort of their own home.

Football on a professional no longer dictates personal onsite attendance anymore. But, the NFL does get a huge slice of the TV broadcasting rights to make up for it. How much of that broadcasting pie the NFL gives to individual teams I have no idea. From my perspective, not every city deserves a new stadium.

Agreed - and yet they nearly all get them. The NFL is enjoying unbelievable success, but most of us are probably old enough to remember when baseball was king, and now look at the number of teams/cities who can't remotely fill a stadium. There were something like 2500 people at the third home game of the season for the A's. And they aren't alone. Tampa can't sell out playoff games, and that area won't build a new stadium for them, yet built the Bucs a palace in 1998.

What is not debatable is that a winning team makes it far easier to sell the local fanbase/government on spending local funds on new stadium. That killed the 49ers - they waited until they stunk to try to get a replacement for one of the oldest parks in the NFL. But as long as the NFL keeps generating the revenue it is today, new stadiums will get built, even in places like Minnesota, Cincinnati, or Tampa, and I promise you that Bengals fans aren't calling Paul Brown the house that Akili Smith or Jeff Blake built, like Bucs fans aren't calling Raymond James Stadium the house that Brad Johnson built.

But even in this economy, MetLife in NJ, Cowboys, LOS, and Phoenix have all been built (2006 to today), with the Vikes and 49ers coming. Oh, and all have or will host a SB. That's the new deal the NFL has - you build it, we'll come, even in a cold weather outdoor stadium (NJ in two years? NO is next, I think NJ is after that, or the one after).

[southwest1]

I'm as big a Peyton fan as anyone, but it would seem a bit odd for the picture to stay up. Mind you I think that it would be kind of cool if it did, but I expect them to take it down by the first pre-season game. I think that it's only up there to ease the transition, since ripping it down while the wound was still fresh would have just been pouring gasoline on the fire. An absolutely brilliant public relations move, but time will change the perception.

The purpose of the photos is to promote the current team - in the same way that you fill the game program with photos and data about the current team. It has nothing to do with honored legends of the past - it's to get people exited about coming inside to watch. Using that space to promote an active player on a different team would be nothing less than bizarre. I have no idea if they will put Luck up, but it's entirely possible since he - in point of fact - will be a primary element in "getting people exited about coming inside to watch". His age and lack of experience really have nothing to do with it. How many people here are literally panting with anticipation of draft day? Whose jersey are they lining up to buy? Similarly who are they coming to see next fall? THAT'S whose poster you put up on the building. I'm sure that Irsay is already dreaming of the day when he can have Peyton back to honor him seven ways from Sunday, but hopefully that won't be for a LONG time. He has some more Super Bowls. to win.

I vehemently disagree with that assessment 1000%. Photos never bring fans in Championship Banners, Rings, & tall shimmering silver, diamond Tiffany Lombardi Trophies do plain & simple. Peyton put INDY football on the global map, knocked Pacers Basketball to 2nd place in the sports pantheon, & made the Colts a competitive playoff bound team. Never forget that.

[MAC]

I vehemently disagree with that assessment 1000%. Photos never bring fans in Championship Banners, Rings, & tall shimmering silver, diamond Tiffany Lombardi Trophies do plain & simple. Peyton put INDY football on the global map, knocked Pacers Basketball to 2nd place in the sports pantheon, & made the Colts a competitive playoff bound team. Never forget that.

Did you read the part where I said that I was a huge Peyton fan, and where I said that I thought that it would be cool if they kept the picture up? I'm frankly more exited about the prospect of watching the Broncos this fall than I am the Colts. The past few months have been incredibly disheartening, and it's going to take some time before I warm to the "changes". I really don't need a lesson on what Peyton has meant to the franchise, thank you very much.

That doesn't change the fact that the photos on the outside of the stadium are a MARKETING tool. Using him in 2012 Colts promotional material is not only a waste of rare resources, but counter-productive. Your inappropriate vehemence (and mathematical impossibility) aside, your answer actually supports my contention. Peyton will be doing everything in his power this fall to bring "Championship Banners, Rings, & tall shimmering silver, diamond Tiffany Lombardi Trophies" to the people of DENVER. The ring of honor (and the bronze statues) will be there when he retires. For the Colts to "market" Peyton Manning this year not only doesn't make any sense, but may well be in violation of league rules. Let the Broncos put Peyton's photo on their stadium - it would make a lot more sense for the Colts to promote their new QB.

[ruksak]

Yeah, This will probably be there until forever.

I seriously doubt that. That will come down before the season starts, I assure you. If he had retired, I would agree....but he's another teams QB and I see a profound conflict of interests by leaving that banner up.

Sadly...it will not stand.

[GoColts8818]

Sorry to disapoint

http://www.wishtv.co...-manning-banner

It's supposed to come down before the start of the season.

Also I thought Bethea was up on the backside of the stadium?

My guess is Wayne and Freeney will be on the front till Luck get's himself established.

[ruksak]

Did you read the part where I said that I was a huge Peyton fan, and where I said that I thought that it would be cool if they kept the picture up? I'm frankly more exited about the prospect of watching the Broncos this fall than I am the Colts. The past few months have been incredibly disheartening, and it's going to take some time before I warm to the "changes". I really don't need a lesson on what Peyton has meant to the franchise, thank you very much.

That doesn't change the fact that the photos on the outside of the stadium are a MARKETING tool. Using him in 2012 Colts promotional material is not only a waste of rare resources, but counter-productive. Your inappropriate vehemence (and mathematical impossibility) aside, your answer actually supports my contention. Peyton will be doing everything in his power this fall to bring "Championship Banners, Rings, & tall shimmering silver, diamond Tiffany Lombardi Trophies" to the people of DENVER. The ring of honor (and the bronze statues) will be there when he retires. For the Colts to "market" Peyton Manning this year not only doesn't make any sense, but may well be in violation of league rules. Let the Broncos put Peyton's photo on their stadium - it would make a lot more sense for the Colts to promote their new QB.

Absolutely correct, sir. We certainly will not be actively marketing another teams QB.....and thats what Peyton is now, Denver's QB. Honor the man after his career has concluded with pictures and statues etc.

[shakedownstreet]

Sorry to disapoint

http://www.wishtv.co...-manning-banner

It's supposed to come down before the start of the season.

Also I thought Bethea was up on the backside of the stadium?

My guess is Wayne and Freeney will be on the front till Luck get's himself established.

thank you for putting that one to rest

[Gramz]

And I would be as surprised if the Colts didn't promote their own players... and I'm not touching the unprovable assertion made for the 1000th time on this board about whether or not LOS would exist without PM. Since it exists, and PM played for the Colts, it's easy to make that statement, but impossible to prove or disprove. Building NFL stadiums takes a wee-bit more than a winning team and a HOF QB.

Drum roll please........ I am going to "admit" I was wrong.... well with part of what I said anyway. I still stand by my statement and opinion that LOS is the house that Peyton built, but I changed my view on whether or not his picture should stay up. In all due respect, it probably should come down before the season starts... I love Peyton, have the utmost admiration and respect for him, but he is a Bronco now and to leave his giant size photo up is probably not in the best interest of moving forward.....

[Thewholefnshow28]

I am sorry you cannot keep a banner up of a player that is no longer on your team and is still currently playing.

It needs to be replaced with the new face our franchise, Andrew Luck.

Peyton's statue can be put up the day after he retires.

[vinatierifan4]

You got to keep some kind of Peyton thing up, I mean the guy is the greatest colts player in history period.

[Gramz]

You got to keep some kind of Peyton thing up, I mean the guy is the greatest colts player in history period.

yes, but probably not the giant size photo above the main entrance....

[Warhawk]

Statue needs to be this.

Personally I'm rather partial to this: