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[House]

I was just watching 'First take', garbage show I know, but Bayless just made the argument "If given the choice between Luck or Manning in the playoffs for the next three years, Colts fans would pick Peyton every time."

It's an interesting question. Who would you take? Peyton floundered occasionally in the playoffs, but has had post season success. Andrew is a complete unknown.

Skip Bayless, clearly dislikes Andrew, but his argument is always based on shortsightedness. He always qualifies his comments with "next three years" because he knows Indy probably made the correct call for the future.

Mods if this thread gets ugly please lock, but hopefully it will stay clean lol.

[JoKeR]

That's just a backwards way of looking at things, it's not logical, Manning is a Bronco now. We've moved on. Maybe First Take should be listed as sports talk comedy?

[scorptile]

skip is clueless about sports hes just there to create havoc. for me we have yet to see how luck responds to pressure in the playoffs so that is an unknown for right now. peytons percentage has always been a big drop during the playoffs 

[oldunclemark]

You are right....Its a typically rigged question...

For the next 3 years (or 3 weeks) obviously you would take Manning...who's played in 2 Super Bowls

...but our crossroad was last year and we set course for the next 10 years..

The real question is: Knowing what you know now.(and excluding Wilson of Seattle) ..Luck or RG3 in the post-season.

[chad72]

That's just a backwards way of looking at things, it's not logical, Manning is a Bronco now. We've moved on. Maybe First Take should be listed as sports talk comedy?

 

Skip Bayless or Skip Clueless. Maybe he should have had a cameo in that "Clueless" movie, Alicia Silverstone on the line for Skip for the sequel, I heard.   (however I like Alicia, just not Skip )

[TonyBungee]

If you get "Healthy, in his prime" Manning, you take Manning every time. But let's face it, if he'd played behind this year's Colts OL, he'd be in the hospital right now.

[JoKeR]

It's such a pointless question, Skip Pointless.

[Jason_S]

If you get "Healthy, in his prime" Manning, you take Manning every time. But let's face it, if he'd played behind this year's Colts OL, he'd be in the hospital right now.

 

Our OL in 2010 wasn't any better.  Manning would be fine behind our OL because of his presnap adjustments and getting the ball out of his hands quickly.  It clearly woulndn't be the best scenario for him but he'd make it work.  Not that it matters since Peyton isn't here anymore.

[oldunclemark]

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If you get "Healthy, in his prime" Manning, you take Manning every time. But let's face it, if he'd played behind this year's Colts OL, he'd be in the hospital right now.

He behind an equally bad line 2 years ago...

he doesnt take hits..he throws the ball quickly.....

We'd be in the playoffs with Manning still here..and Luck wopuld be in them if he was in Denver. I'd guess

[Jason_S]

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He behind an equally bad line 2 years ago...

he doesnt take hits..he throws the ball quickly.....

We'd be in the playoffs with Manning still here..and Luck wopuld be in them if he was in Denver. I'd guess

 

Again, it's clearly just speculation, but if Peyton were here then my guess is that Luck would probably be in Cleveland.

[House]

That's just a backwards way of looking at things, it's not logical, Manning is a Bronco now. We've moved on. Maybe First Take should be listed as sports talk comedy?

It is a garbage show plain and simple, didn't always, but it's almost always now.

But your right we have moved on, however to insure he never has to praise Andrew, Skip always brings up "Indianapolis making a huge mistake." No matter what the subject is it always comes back to this inane point.

[oldunclemark]

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Again, it's clearly just speculation, but if Peyton were here then my guess is that Luck would probably be in Cleveland.

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Very true, and if he made the playoffs there...he'd have been a true miracle worker...

[SLILLINGTON10]

with the game on the line luck delivers, with the season/playoffs on the line why would you expect less?

[oldunclemark]

with the game on the line luck delivers, with the season/playoffs on the line why would you expect less?

Because everybody loses in the playoffs...its just the way it is..

Every town talks about how their guy cant come through inthe playofs..even

Tom Brady gets ripped because he hasnt wona Super Bowl in several years.....

Everyone's success level dips in the postseason because those are the best game against the best teams...

[Jason_S]

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Very true, and if he made the playoffs there...he'd have been a true miracle worker...

 

Honestly I don't know about that....the miracle worker part.  Cleveland has a pretty talented base, but they do need some help at WR.  Otherwise, imo, they are right on the cusp of becoming pretty darn good.

[oldunclemark]

skip is clueless about sports hes just there to create havoc. for me we have yet to see how luck responds to pressure in the playoffs so that is an unknown for right now. peytons percentage has always been a big drop during the playoffs 

That's one of those fan myths....

In 2005 and 2009...the went to the Super bowl with Manning.

In other years, they didnt....

Its said that Manning is the reason for all losses

[oldunclemark]

Honestly I don't know about that....the miracle worker part.  Cleveland has a pretty talented base, but they do need some help at WR.  Otherwise, imo, they are right on the cusp of becoming pretty darn good.

But pretty darn good and a playoff team in that division?

That's 2 different things...right?

[Jason_S]

But pretty darn good and a playoff team in that division?

That's 2 different things...right?

 

Well, yeah that is true...lol   That's the unfortunate thing for the Browns and Bengals...they're going to have to become more than just pretty darn good to unseat the Ravens and Steelers....though both Ravens and Steelers did drop off this year so who knows what happens in the next couple of years.

[luckyblue]

bayless is a total jerk, everything he says I always think the opposite of. Hes got to be the most annoying person in sports broadcasting by far!

[methodicaleddie]

I rather us come up with nicknames for Skip.

Skip Brainless.

[oldunclemark]

I guess Frist Take is part of the 'ESPN model' where they shovel assorted high class opinion escort sports babes in as

'moderators' so guys who watch wont be so bored with the same guys making the same arguements again and again and again..

......about the same subjects..

The problems is that even their own mothers get tired of the same two egomaniacs shuffling words to say the same thing

[SLILLINGTON10]

Because everybody loses in the playoffs...its just the way it is..

Every town talks about how their guy cant come through inthe playofs..even

Tom Brady gets ripped because he hasnt wona Super Bowl in several years.....

Everyone's success level dips in the postseason because those are the best game against the best teams...

that might be the case but Andrew Luck has given more no reason to think like that. in fact everytime an once of doubt comes into my head. luck and the colts prove me wrong. so i will give luck the benefit of the doubt. he keeps up the high level of play if not improves vastly. just seems like the kid lives for this type of pressure.

[hawkeyes]

Stupid question indeed, and DUH, of course If we actually had that choice we would pick Manning!

 

Its a dumb show based on debate - they take sides and argue a point.  Can not stand either Brainless or the other *!

[FireJimCaldwell]

Peyton Manning, but I'd also take Adrian Peterson & Calvin Johnson over Ballard & Wayne. 

[DalTXColtsFan]

*sigh* It's such a shame that people still believe Peyton's level of play drops in the playoffs.  It doesn't.  His career regular-season results against playoff teams are almost exactly the same as his playoff results, both in QB rating, big plays, clutch plays and W-L.

[chrisfarley]

Bayless can go re-apply his hair coloring, re-paste his frontal hair piece on, and go jump in Lake Huron, with lead anvils tied to his bony ankles, for a refreshing swim.

[Coltsince4]

If you get "Healthy, in his prime" Manning, you take Manning every time. But let's face it, if he'd played behind this year's Colts OL, he'd be in the hospital right now.

 

Total agree on that one!!! If you love Peyton you ought to be glad he's where he is are he might just be living back in his mama

in the fetal position!! Are a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

[John Dee]

I was just watching 'First take', garbage show I know, but Bayless just made the argument "If given the choice between Luck or Manning in the playoffs for the next three years, Colts fans would pick Peyton every time."

It's an interesting question. Who would you take? Peyton floundered occasionally in the playoffs, but has had post season success. Andrew is a complete unknown.

Skip Bayless, clearly dislikes Andrew, but his argument is always based on shortsightedness. He always qualifies his comments with "next three years" because he knows Indy probably made the correct call for the future.

Mods if this thread gets ugly please lock, but hopefully it will stay clean lol.

 

 

First off...   Bayless is a notorious Manning / Colt basher...  He is just throwing another scud in Irsays direction here. 

 

Secondly Manning was below average as a Colt in playoff games.   9-10 I think.     And outside of maybe 3 or 4 "really outstanding efforts" he was...       just a another QB..   Second half of the AFCCG in 06 was his only "great" half of football in 4 playoff games that SB year.

 

http://www.pro-footb...0/gamelog/post/

 

Luck brings an element that Manning NEVER could ... the ability to move and RUN.     

 

I want Luck ....        

[Coltsince4]

First off...   Bayless is a notorious Manning / Colt basher...  He is just throwing another scud in Irsays direction here. 

 

Secondly Manning was below average as a Colt in playoff games.   9-10 I think.     And outside of maybe 3 or 4 "really outstanding efforts" he was...       just a another QB..   Second half of the AFCCG in 06 was his only "great" half of football in 4 playoff games that SB year.

 

http://www.pro-footb...0/gamelog/post/

 

Luck brings an element that Manning NEVER could ... the ability to move and RUN.     

 

I want Luck ....        

ME TWO!!

[dw49]

*sigh* It's such a shame that people still believe Peyton's level of play drops in the playoffs.  It doesn't.  His career regular-season results against playoff teams are almost exactly the same as his playoff results, both in QB rating, big plays, clutch plays and W-L.

 

 

 

 

No kidding... hard to belive that all equats to being 9-10 . I'm was and still am a huge Manning fan but looking at the whole body of work , I would say that for an all time top 3 QB( my opinion) , he did not came through those 19 games as "overly clutch." The stats you bring up can be a bit "misleading" due to the few games (KC and Denver) he had that were spectacular. He also came up short vs good defenses in bad weather and that is hard to argue. Is it due to the fact that a QB needs to throw a spiral to get the ball through windy conditions ? Dunno ... I agree that he was and is a wonderful QB but there are legit questions about the 9-10 post season.

[dw49]

First off...   Bayless is a notorious Manning / Colt basher...  He is just throwing another scud in Irsays direction here. 

 

Secondly Manning was below average as a Colt in playoff games.   9-10 I think.     And outside of maybe 3 or 4 "really outstanding efforts" he was...       just a another QB..   Second half of the AFCCG in 06 was his only "great" half of football in 4 playoff games that SB year.

 

http://www.pro-footb...0/gamelog/post/

 

Luck brings an element that Manning NEVER could ... the ability to move and RUN.     

 

I want Luck ....        

 

 

 

He also throws a tight spiral and the ball won't flutter so much in New England when snow comes and wind blows. I know PM played in a dome but , it's anmazing how few really bad weatherf games he played in.

[dw49]

First off...   Bayless is a notorious Manning / Colt basher...  He is just throwing another scud in Irsays direction here. 

 

Secondly Manning was below average as a Colt in playoff games.   9-10 I think.     And outside of maybe 3 or 4 "really outstanding efforts" he was...       just a another QB..   Second half of the AFCCG in 06 was his only "great" half of football in 4 playoff games that SB year.

 

http://www.pro-footb...0/gamelog/post/

 

Luck brings an element that Manning NEVER could ... the ability to move and RUN.     

 

I want Luck ....        

 Cost 5 million per year vs around 20 million per year.

[QwizBoy]

Peyton Manning, but I'd also take Adrian Peterson & Calvin Johnson over Ballard & Wayne. 

What you did there...I see it.

[Let there be Luck]

I don't know how Skip still has an job. But everytime he is on, I just change the channel.

[chad72]

I don't know how Skip still has an job. But everytime he is on, I just change the channel.

 

His name "Skip" precedes him  (so does his lousy reputation). As soon as you hear his name, you know what to do, "skip" the channel.

 

I think "Skip" hates Irsay. When Peyton was on the Colts, he would bash Peyton and the Colts. Now Luck is on the Colts, he bashes Luck and the Colts. Just an observation.

[John Dee]

 Cost 5 million per year vs around 20 million per year.

YES...    had Indy kept Manning this team would "probably" be in the playoffs....     maybe.. 

 

But 3 years down the road when Indy finishes 7-9 or 8-8 and left with NO QB and Luck is in Washington or St Louis tearing the league up we would all be saying ... "dang..  shoulda done it" ... 

 

It's the nature of the beast..  and one day Luck will get it too ...      I guarantee it.

 

The days of the HOF savior are long gone..    Too much money at stake.    

[manning04]

I think Skip has mastered being the "clueless" guy. The biggest Tebow fan on the planet. just wait if Manning vs Brady indeed happens he will all of a sudden be the biggest Brady fan. Skip has indeed mastered his craft.

[braveheartcolt]

Luck every time. You 'never go back'.

 

I also think that now were are in one and done territory, Luck may use his 'wheels' a lot more, and be even more effective.....

 

But if Luck went down, I'd have Peyton as his back-up.

[Snowglobe]

How about neither. One guy hasn't even taken a post season snap and the other guy can't win when he does. I'll take Eli or Rodgers right now. Maybe even Brees. 

[manning04]

How about neither. One guy hasn't even taken a post season snap and the other guy can't win when he does. I'll take Eli or Rodgers right now. Maybe even Brees. 

LOL if you watch the news you would be  a fool to not take Wilson or RG3. hahahaha... and If you listen to Skip... You can't find anyone much better than Tebow.