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Greg Roman

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Kyle Shanahan

Charlie Weis

Mike Mccoy

 

Most of those are probably unrealistic,

 

Perhaps more realistically I think Arians will be back next year and if he is not then Clyde gets promoted OR

 

Marty Mornhinweg

Pete Carmicheal Jr.

 

Both are probably more realistic

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Marty Mornhinweg

Rick Dennison

Bill Musgrave

Jon Gruden

Jay Gruden

Brent Pease

Greg Roman

Tom Clements

Kyle Shanahan

Charlie Weis

Mike Mccoy

 

Most of those are probably unrealistic,

 

Perhaps more realistically I think Arians will be back next year and if he is not then Clyde gets promoted OR

 

Marty Mornhinweg

Pete Carmicheal Jr.

 

Both are probably more realistic

 

 

Just wondering....

 

But many of the names you have are currently OC's...

 

Why should they leave where they are,  successful where they are,  and come to the Colts in a lateral move??

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Just wondering....

 

But many of the names you have are currently OC's...

 

Why should they leave where they are,  successful where they are,  and come to the Colts in a lateral move??

 

Wouldn't, and he mentions as much as most not realistic.  It would be like mine. (Also unrealistic)

 

Norv Turner
Jason Garret
Dirk Koetter
Brian Schottenheimer
 
Possibly some hybrid o scheme-
 
Sean Payton (Air Coryell / WCO blend)
Josh McDaniels (Moddified Erdhardt-Perkins + concepts)
 
If under pressure, maybe some other hybrids-
 
Kyle Shanahan  (WCO / Zone run / Pistol read option)
Mike McCarthy (Agressive modified WCO)
 
Under almost no circumstances do I enthusiastically support-
 
Brad Childress
Pat Shurmur
Jay Gruden
Mike Sherman
Bill Musgrave
Gregg Knapp
Marty Mohrinweg
 
or any students of their philosophy.
 
 
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Wouldn't, and he mentions as much as most not realistic.  It would be like mine. (Also unrealistic)

 

Norv Turner
Jason Garret
Dirk Koetter
Brian Schottenheimer
 
Possibly some hybrid o scheme-
 
Sean Payton (Air Coryell / WCO blend)
Josh McDaniels (Moddified Erdhardt-Perkins + concepts)
 
If under pressure, maybe some other hybrids-
 
Kyle Shanahan  (WCO / Zone run / Pistol read option)
Mike McCarthy (Agressive modified WCO)
 
Under almost no circumstances do I enthusiastically support-
 
Brad Childress
Pat Shurmur
Jay Gruden
Mike Sherman
Bill Musgrave
Gregg Knapp
Marty Mohrinweg
 
or any students of their philosophy.
 
 

 

 

I don't get the point of listing lots and lots and lots of people, some of whom are successful OC's and some of whom are successful HC's when you admit the likelihood of getting these people is slim and none.

 

Why not list Nick Saban as a candidate to be our next DC?

 

The OP is asking for realist candidates....  

 

Also....   again,  because I'm curious....

 

What are your objections to those on your final list of candidates who you don't want??

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I don't get the point of listing lots and lots and lots of people, some of whom are successful OC's and some of whom are successful HC's when you admit the likelihood of getting these people is slim and none.

 

Why not list Nick Saban as a candidate to be our next DC?

 

The OP is asking for realist candidates....  

 

Also....   again,  because I'm curious....

 

What are your objections to those on your final list of candidates who you don't want??

I dont see the word realistic anwhere in the thread title or his opening post, All I did was name guys I would want based on scheme they run which is variations of the WCO

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I dont see the word realistic anwhere in the thread title or his opening post

 

Fine.    That was my interpretation of what he was asking for.    

 

I would think if he was asking for best candidate regardless of availability (in other words, unrealistic candidates)  I would think he'd be specific.

 

But, maybe that's just me....

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Just wondering....

 

But many of the names you have are currently OC's...

 

Why should they leave where they are,  successful where they are,  and come to the Colts in a lateral move??

If any don't have a QB the caliber of Luck then there is a great chance any successful OC or former HC would come to Indy (if the job is open)  

 

A great QB makes EVERYONE around them look better, and smarter.     And that equals better opportunity to move up.     Didn't Luck just make Arians a hot commodity?   Or at least get him a nice pay raise?

 

It happens in every line of work.       

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Norv Turner

Andy Reid

And if somehow magically Manusky leaves, I'll take Rex Ryan for D-Coordinator

Rex is a good D Coordinator but he has no control over players in the locker room and ya still need that as a Coordinator because ya still work with them as a unit when the Head Coach is not always there, If I had a choice of D Coordinators and IF Manusky was not coming back ( I dont know enough about him to say whether or not I like his play calling or not)

 

John Pagano

Rob Ryan

Dom Capers

Vic Fangio

Kevin Green

 

None of which are realistic in my opinion

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I dont see the word realistic anwhere in the thread title or his opening post, All I did was name guys I would want based on scheme they run which is variations of the WCO

 

It wouldn't hurt to make the list realistic. I'd like to have Sean Payton as the offensive coordinator, but we all know that's not going to happen. I assumed the intention was to see what names are out there that might wind up getting the job, not to make a fantasy wish list.

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If any don't have a QB the caliber of Luck then there is a great chance any successful OC or former HC would come to Indy (if the job is open)  

 

A great QB makes EVERYONE around them look better, and smarter.     And that equals better opportunity to move up.     Didn't Luck just make Arians a hot commodity?   Or at least get him a nice pay raise?

 

It happens in every line of work.       

 

NFL coaches are under contract. You can't poach coordinators from other teams to come be your coordinator. Teams only have to give permission for interviews and release contracts for coaches who are being promoted, not for lateral moves. So it's unlikely that a coach who is a successful coordinator right now would wind up leaving to be a coordinator somewhere else, because either his current team wants him, or he has a chance at a being a head coach in the near future.

 

Coordinators whose contracts are up or who are part of a staff that's being replaced (like what's probably going to happen in Philly and San Diego, and so on), are more likely candidates, IMO.

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NFL coaches are under contract. You can't poach coordinators from other teams to come be your coordinator. Teams only have to give permission for interviews and release contracts for coaches who are being promoted, not for lateral moves. So it's unlikely that a coach who is a successful coordinator right now would wind up leaving to be a coordinator somewhere else, because either his current team wants him, or he has a chance at a being a head coach in the near future.

 

Coordinators whose contracts are up or who are part of a staff that's being replaced (like what's probably going to happen in Philly and San Diego, and so on), are more likely candidates, IMO.

 

Very true, and I'm not 100% certain how the OC/Asst Head coach title would be treated to one of those OC's under contract. It could be viewed as a promotion, and as a lateral move. 

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Very true, and I'm not 100% certain how the OC/Asst Head coach title would be treated to one of those OC's under contract. It could be viewed as a promotion, and as a lateral move. 

 

That's probably murky territory, and my initial inclination would be to say that it's a lateral move, not a promotion.

 

Another thought, though: Teams have just started calling the special teams coach a coordinator. So is going from special teams coordinator to offensive/defensive coordinator a lateral move, or a promotion? It's obviously a promotion when you think about it, but has a precedent been set for that?

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Jeff Tedford, former head coach at Cal

Brian Daboll, current offensive coordinator in KC, likely to be fired at the end of the season with the rest of the staff

Bill Musgrave, current offensive coordinator in Minnesota, was rumored to be on the hot seat earlier this season, doubtful he gets fired now

Pete Carmichael, current offensive coordinator for the Saints, could be left flapping in the wind if there's a significant change in New Orleans this offseason, but most likely won't leave for anything other than a head coaching job, which is what we reportedly wanted to interview him for last season

Pat Hill, current offensive line coach for the Falcons, but he's kind of conservative and predictable with his play calling, which isn't a good recipe when you have a defensive minded head coach

Mike Shula, current QB coach for the Panthers, former head coach for Alabama

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That's probably murky territory, and my initial inclination would be to say that it's a lateral move, not a promotion.

 

Another thought, though: Teams have just started calling the special teams coach a coordinator. So is going from special teams coordinator to offensive/defensive coordinator a lateral move, or a promotion? It's obviously a promotion when you think about it, but has a precedent been set for that?

 

 

I agree. It's just a ticky-tack way one could try to fight it. Who knows what the NFL would say about it.  Maybe if it came with higher pay, then maybe they would say it's a promoition.

 

Most of the special team coaches/coordinators are sorta odd-balls. I'm not saying it hasn't happened more than once, I would say that it has, but the only STC that I've seen promoted to HC is John Harbaugh in Baltimore, which was surprising that they bypassed Ryan, and whoever was Billick's OC at that point in time. I had never seen a STC promoted to HC.  I would argue STC to OC or DC would be a promotion just because each of those sides of the ball are on the field more than the ST, but that is just my take on it. 

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If Bruce really does get a shot at a HC position then truly I would be happy if Indy just named Clyde C OC and just kept things stable in the short term.   Let him see what he can do?  Last season if Indy had a QB we would not have Luck.    I personally think Clyde would do great with a legit QB running things.

 

And contracts?    They are not worth the paper they are written on.    If someone wants out, they will get out.

 

But I really would love the idea of Norv Turner ....  if he was willing to do it.

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If Ron Rivera gets fired (and that looks less likely now than it did two months ago), I'd be open to Rod Chudzinski as well.

I do really like the idea of Chudzinski. I'll also say I'd much rather have Mularkey and a falcons style offense (if khan makes big changes in the off season) than Morningweg (i know i spelled that wrong lol) and an eagles style offense.

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