Should we and do we have the means to trade up for Star loutelie (I have no desire to find how to spell his last name). Clearly the best DE/NT in the draft. He could be our Ngata. What would it cost? Should we do it?
Trade up for Star
Started by Playoffs2013, Nov 28 2012 02:06 PM
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:19 PM
Nope. If we had more than 7 picks, we could give it a thought.
In this passing league, unless a NT has major pass rush moves, I would go DB or pass rusher in the first round. Just my two cents.
In this passing league, unless a NT has major pass rush moves, I would go DB or pass rusher in the first round. Just my two cents.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:51 PM
We're not just one player away from SB contenders yet, we have several glaring holes. Even if we had the ammunition to do so, I would be against it.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:41 AM
No, on every level you can think of.... and I'm a fan of Star...
First, we don't have the resources or the means...
Second, even if we did, you don't want to trade up for a position like NT when you have so many other pressing needs on the team. And we have lots and lots of needs.
Third, Star is great against the run, but not great at rushing the QB. You don't want to trade up to get someone great against the run and OK at rushing the passer. Not in today's pass-happy NFL. It's a waste.
Fourth, NT is a position where the player is getting beat up all the time.... dangerous to waste a high pick on him.
Fifth.... a team like the Ravens could do it, because (A) Hloti Ngata can play multiple positions on the line, but, more importantly (B) they didn't have nearly as many needs as the Colts do.... they could afford a 'luxury' type pick. We can't.
Hope that lays out my reasons well enough....
First, we don't have the resources or the means...
Second, even if we did, you don't want to trade up for a position like NT when you have so many other pressing needs on the team. And we have lots and lots of needs.
Third, Star is great against the run, but not great at rushing the QB. You don't want to trade up to get someone great against the run and OK at rushing the passer. Not in today's pass-happy NFL. It's a waste.
Fourth, NT is a position where the player is getting beat up all the time.... dangerous to waste a high pick on him.
Fifth.... a team like the Ravens could do it, because (A) Hloti Ngata can play multiple positions on the line, but, more importantly (B) they didn't have nearly as many needs as the Colts do.... they could afford a 'luxury' type pick. We can't.
Hope that lays out my reasons well enough....
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:49 AM
New Colts fan just to the fact about star rushing the passer. He most certianly pressures Qbs and collapes the pocket alot. I dont know what you have been seeing. But he cetianly puts pressure on the QB. Hes off the line a half second before anyone else. But we dont need to trade up for him we need alot more than just him to sacrifice all the pics wed have to give. I agree with ya there.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:28 AM
No not worth anything we'd have to give up for it. Most pundits are putting the D-line as the deepest position in the upcoming draft meaning late 1st round-early 2nd round guys may very well be anchoring defenses for years to come. We can give up nothing and still pick up a franchise DT or DE with a high ceiling. Either way, this team has enough needs that it would be very hard to not find a big upgrade wherever we pick.Should we and do we have the means to trade up for Star loutelie (I have no desire to find how to spell his last name). Clearly the best DE/NT in the draft. He could be our Ngata. What would it cost? Should we do it?
There's almost certainly going to be a talented DT, DE, OG, S, OLB, there.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:41 AM
This is a very deep draft defensively...if anything we should be brokering more picks. I wouldnt be completely shocked if we traded away our first round pick to be honest
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:03 PM
he would be a DE not a NT and he has 5 sacksNo, on every level you can think of.... and I'm a fan of Star...
First, we don't have the resources or the means...
Second, even if we did, you don't want to trade up for a position like NT when you have so many other pressing needs on the team. And we have lots and lots of needs.
Third, Star is great against the run, but not great at rushing the QB. You don't want to trade up to get someone great against the run and OK at rushing the passer. Not in today's pass-happy NFL. It's a waste.
Fourth, NT is a position where the player is getting beat up all the time.... dangerous to waste a high pick on him.
Fifth.... a team like the Ravens could do it, because (A) Hloti Ngata can play multiple positions on the line, but, more importantly (B) they didn't have nearly as many needs as the Colts do.... they could afford a 'luxury' type pick. We can't.
Hope that lays out my reasons well enough....
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:25 PM
safety, eric reid
its not T.Y its T.watttttttttt WHAT DID T JUST DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:48 PM
Star has provided much better pass rush compared to his previous years at Utah, Im sure he would be a DE in our 3-4 and that he could do it but Im also sure that Fili Moala can do it as well, We certainly do need another 3-4 DE I am just not sure we need to give up on Moala because he has done pretty decent this year for playing in this 3-4 for the first time Im thinking draft Margus Hunt at 3-4 DE in the middle rounds and let him compete with Moala and see what happens. We have other huge needs right now in my opinion that can be addressed first such as OLB, Tackle and if Castonzo's multiple awards worthy talent at LT dont show up soon then we will need to move him to RT and draft or franchise LT, Guard, Corner, Safety and I am going to even throw Center in there now
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NewColtsFan
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:59 PM
he would be a DE not a NT and he has 5 sacks
Star can play anywhere along the line.... but he's most effective in the middle... so, a NT in a 3-4, or a DT in a 4-3.
Could he play DE? Yes.... but I don't think it's his best position... And again, I'm a big fan...
Just my two cents....
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CANT STOP CLAPPING!!!!!
Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:14 PM
We don't have the picks IMO to do much trading up.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:24 PM
We don't have the picks IMO to do much trading up.
Agree.
I see trading down as more likely, if the situation presents itself... depending on who is available at the Colts' pick.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:07 PM
A better decision would probably would be trading down, and picking up some later picks
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:40 PM
He is easily top ten maybe even top 5, and we are gunna end up picking at around 20-23. Unless we we give up like 9 first round picks, we ain't getting anywhere near him.
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