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[IndyTrav]

Loving what I am seeing from TY, but ALOT is being made from his 3 100yd games...they are great, and he's our own little Harvin, but Id like to see more consistency. Given he is a rookie, but rookie WR are producing now more than they ever have, the 3year rule no longer applies.

In his 3-100yd games he's 16-315-4, which accounts for over 50% of his rec, nearly 70% of his yards and 100% of his TDs..3 big games 6duds...which is ridiculously close to what Garçon did in his time here....

This isn't a "bash Hilton" thread. Just trying to shine some light on his stats.

[HungarianColtsFan]

He needs experience to be consistent. Next season he will put up better stats, I believe.

Not to mention Luck has several targets besides TY, play calling and opponents' defensive schemes also affects his personal stats. I think it is good, that he can step up every time it is needed.

Edited by HungarianColtsFan, 21 November 2012 - 09:31 AM.

[SteelCityColt]

Loving what I am seeing from TY, but ALOT is being made from his 3 100yd games...they are great, and he's our own little Harvin, but Id like to see more consistency. Given he is a rookie, but rookie WR are producing now more than they ever have, the 3year rule no longer applies.

In his 3-100yd games he's 16-315-4, which accounts for over 50% of his rec, nearly 70% of his yards and 100% of his TDs..3 big games 6duds...which is ridiculously close to what Garçon did in his time here....

This isn't a "bash Hilton" thread. Just trying to shine some light on his stats.

Really? How do you think he's doing compared to the rest of the rookies this year?

Considering he was drafted more for his ST play he's been a nice surprise. Well ok his ST play has been an unpleasant surprise but that's not just down to him.

[Coltman51]

agree with my Hungarian friend, he shows speed and promise. There are a lot of targets for Luck and not sure that his " 6 duds" games were his lack of production and ability or that due to defenses, he was less of a target in those games. There were a couple "Reggie games" that didn't seem like anyone else was out there, which is good as long as Reggie is open and available.

[IndyTrav]

Really? How do you think he's doing compared to the rest of the rookies this year?

Considering he was drafted more for his ST play he's been a nice surprise. Well ok his ST play has been an unpleasant surprise but that's not just down to him.

He's doing pretty well compared to other guys. Generally Top 3-5 in every category. But he also does have the luxury of being on a quality passing team compared to the rest of the guys. But he was also traded up for in the 3rd, so lets not pretend he wasn't expected to produce in some categories.

To me the real rookie winner this year is Josh Gordon.

[SteelCityColt]

He's doing pretty well compared to other guys. Generally Top 3-5 in every category. But he also does have the luxury of being on a quality passing team compared to the rest of the guys. But he was also traded up for in the 3rd, so lets not pretend he wasn't expected to produce in some categories.

To me the real rookie winner this year is Josh Gordon.

That's a fair shout for Josh Gordon, considering he wasn't exactly taken that high.

I know what you're saying with TY but how sick would you feel if say he was a first rounder..... why it would almost be enough to make you drown your sorrows in Oklahoma.

[GrizzColt]

Hilton is outperforming everyone in our draft except for Luck. He is outperforming everybody else's middle round receivers as well. Josh Gordon was taken in the 2nd round, wasn't he, ahead of Hilton. At the beginning of the season, our coaches trusted Avery more because he had same speed and more experience. Now, we target Hilton as much or more. He earned that. I predict he will make some really big plays for us at the end of the season.

[IndyTrav]

Hilton is outperforming everyone in our draft except for Luck. He is outperforming everybody else's middle round receivers as well. Josh Gordon was taken in the 2nd round, wasn't he, ahead of Hilton. At the beginning of the season, our coaches trusted Avery more because he had same speed and more experience. Now, we target Hilton as much or more. He earned that. I predict he will make some really big plays for us at the end of the season.

Gordon was taken in the supplemental draft. For a 2nd I believe. I also thought we had bid on him as well.

But he was the only player taken. In mid July. Meaning he missed most if not all of Training camp as well.

[PrincetonTiger]

TY is playing great

[Indyfan4life]

I'm really excited for our receiving core. When Fleener and Avery come back, we'll be pretty explosive especially since Brazill is making some nice plays too.

[throwingBBS]

Loving what I am seeing from TY, but ALOT is being made from his 3 100yd games...they are great, and he's our own little Harvin, but Id like to see more consistency. Given he is a rookie, but rookie WR are producing now more than they ever have, the 3year rule no longer applies.

In his 3-100yd games he's 16-315-4, which accounts for over 50% of his rec, nearly 70% of his yards and 100% of his TDs..3 big games 6duds...which is ridiculously close to what Garçon did in his time here....

This isn't a "bash Hilton" thread. Just trying to shine some light on his stats.

Thanks for the BASH Hilton thread. It shines a light on YOU!

The biggest jump for NFL players is in year two. You appear to know little or nothing about the progress of NFL receivers over years 1 thru 3. That is OK.

[Tark The Shark]

I understand where OP is coming from.

I think the thing is that Luck is just now getting his feet wet with throwing the deep ball. And Avery & Hilton are great for catching the deep passes.

Luck has gone more to Wayne, Avery, Fleener, and Allen than Hilton so Hilton hasn't been all that productive so far. Compared to other rookies, he is near the top in the stats.

[IndyTrav]

Thanks for the BASH Hilton thread. It shines a light on YOU!

The biggest jump for NFL players is in year two. You appear to know little or nothing about the progress of NFL receivers over years 1 thru 3. That is OK.

Riiiight

And that has anything to do with what we are talking about because.......oh, that's right it doesn't. I'm not trying to extrapolate his talents for years 2 and 3. It has nothing to do with this discussion.

[Kyle]

Hilton will be a slot wr and PR/KR man. We are still missing our outside WR of the future.

[IndyTrav]

Hilton will be a slot wr and PR/KR man. We are still missing our outside WR of the future.

I agree

[Nobody]

http://quickmeme.com/meme/3rvd7z/

He's just a rookie! How many consistent third round WR rookies have there been?

There was an article on bleacher report after the draft about TY. Something like "What to expect from TY Hilton's rookie year"
"From 2005-2011, there were 36 wideouts taken between picks 60 and 100 of the draft. That spans the very late second round all the way to the early fourth. Here's what we can learn from those picks:
Only four started at least six games. None started more than nine.
25 of 36 played in at least 10 games.
Only two had at least 40 catches. Only 15 had at least 20. Thirteen had fewer than 10 catches.
Only three had at least 600 yards receiving, and just six had 400 yards.
Two had six touchdowns, but only eight had more than one.
The average performance was 17 catches, 224 yards, and just under one touchdown each."

[Indyfan4life]

Kid is playing great. Enough said.

[buccolts]

Gordon was taken in the supplemental draft. For a 2nd I believe. I also thought we had bid on him as well.

But he was the only player taken. In mid July. Meaning he missed most if not all of Training camp as well.

Gordon's also turned out to be the only viable receiving option in Cleveland.

[IndyTrav]

I don't ness think that consistency is the right word im looking for or not.

Perhaps it's on the coaches, Luck, scheme etc.

But I see a guy in his 100yd games avg 5/105/1

And in his other games 2/20/0.

And I don't know that it's volume of rec either. He had 5 v Tenn and had 35 yds.

[Larry Horseman]

To me the real rookie winner this year is Josh Gordon.

How is Gordon the "real rookie winner?" He has only 2 games over 60 yards, zero 100 yard games, and 4 TDs. Hilton has the same number of TDs and three 100 yard games.

I agree Hilton isn't consistent but neither is Gordon or any other rookie. Because of the emergence of Avery, Hilton is the Colts 3rd WR. Considering that, the fact he is a rookie, and where he was picked in the draft, I don't see how any of us can complain too much. Would it be better if he was more consistent? Sure, but that would also mean he would be taking plays away from Avery and Reggie...the 2012 Colts aren't the 2004 Colts...there currently is room for 3 super high producing WRs.

[BLOODontheTRACKS]

Hilton will be a slot wr and PR/KR man. We are still missing our outside WR of the future.

not sure why many think he will only be a slot guy. why? because he's short?

[IndyTrav]

How is Gordon the "real rookie winner?" He has only 2 games over 60 yards, zero 100 yard games, and 4 TDs. Hilton has the same number of TDs and three 100 yard games.

I agree Hilton isn't consistent but neither is Gordon or any other rookie. Because of the emergence of Avery, Hilton is the Colts 3rd WR. Considering that, the fact he is a rookie, and where he was picked in the draft, I don't see how any of us can complain too much. Would it be better if he was more consistent? Sure, but that would also mean he would be taking plays away from Avery and Reggie...the 2012 Colts aren't the 2004 Colts...there currently is room for 3 super high producing WRs.

Gordon is on the Browns, a much worse team. And generally on the 1 or 2 CB. Missed all of TC and a few preseason games, in a tougher division and tougher spot than Hilton. In my book he gets the nod on the better season to this point.

Again I don't know that consistency is the right word. But Hilton completely disappears in other games. Is it scheme. Luck. Play calls etc. I don't know.

But if we as Colts fans are going to go bananas over 3 100yd games, then we should also consider the 7 where he did nothing. It's objective.

And people. Myself included consider him a slot guy because there are 0 #1wr in the NFL his size.

[Stephen]

hilton has been better deep than avery infact three of hilton's tds were deep passes

[GrizzColt]

Why can't Hilton be the next Steve smith, Marvin Harrison , little guy wideout? He is just as fast and has made some great catches. He can become more consistent with his catches. I am just saying that it is up to him and if he has that Jerry rice desire.

[Stephen]

Loving what I am seeing from TY, but ALOT is being made from his 3 100yd games...they are great, and he's our own little Harvin, but Id like to see more consistency. Given he is a rookie, but rookie WR are producing now more than they ever have, the 3year rule no longer applies.

In his 3-100yd games he's 16-315-4, which accounts for over 50% of his rec, nearly 70% of his yards and 100% of his TDs..3 big games 6duds...which is ridiculously close to what Garçon did in his time here....

This isn't a "bash Hilton" thread. Just trying to shine some light on his stats.

If you want to shine light on hilton's stats compare it to this
wayne 27 catches 345 yards o tds rookie year
harrison 64 catches 836 yards 8 tds
gonzalez 37 catches 576 yards 3 tds
collie 60 catches 676 yards 7tds
hilton 30 catches 455 yards 4 tds
I'll say hilton is right in the mix with the best of them and shoould finish with more yards and tds than collie and maybe more yards than harrison if he has a few big games also since donnie is hurt brazil's numbers should rise to

[TKnight85]

Imo, Hilton is our SECOND BEST WR on the Team. (Obviously behind Reggie Wayne). I actually think Hilton is better than Avery, Brazill, Palmer, etc.

[Captain Americolt]

Does it matter how he gets his statistics? What happened happened. It's like people trying to downgrade Browns YPC last year because of his 80 yard run.

[Captain Americolt]

Gordon is on the Browns, a much worse team. And generally on the 1 or 2 CB. Missed all of TC and a few preseason games, in a tougher division and tougher spot than Hilton. In my book he gets the nod on the better season to this point.

Again I don't know that consistency is the right word. But Hilton completely disappears in other games. Is it scheme. Luck. Play calls etc. I don't know.

But if we as Colts fans are going to go bananas over 3 100yd games, then we should also consider the 7 where he did nothing. It's objective.

And people. Myself included consider him a slot guy because there are 0 #1wr in the NFL his size.

I don't think he has to be a #1 WR. Steve Smith is 5 9" and he's a #1 WR...Yet Smith is alot stronger, but he is the same size height wise. I think T.Y could be that guy where his yards per catch is ridiculously high and has over 1000 yards a season like Mike Wallace, but isn't a true #1..

[Larry Horseman]

Gordon is on the Browns, a much worse team. And generally on the 1 or 2 CB. Missed all of TC and a few preseason games, in a tougher division and tougher spot than Hilton. In my book he gets the nod on the better season to this point.

Again I don't know that consistency is the right word. But Hilton completely disappears in other games. Is it scheme. Luck. Play calls etc. I don't know.

But if we as Colts fans are going to go bananas over 3 100yd games, then we should also consider the 7 where he did nothing. It's objective.

And people. Myself included consider him a slot guy because there are 0 #1wr in the NFL his size.

Hilton is ranked 52 in the league in DYAR and Gordon is ranked 65. Hilton is 49 in DVOA and Gordon is 62. These are objective ways to evaluate WRs that take the context of stats into account. In reality, both are having solid years for a rookie.

I am not going bananas or saying TY is a #1 WR (not sure what that means in today's NFL but that is another conversation), I'm just saying he is having a similar yet objectively better year than Gordon.

I'm not sure why he has disappeared but him and Avery have pretty much mirrored each other with the exception of the Pats game. That tells me its a combination of scheme and opponent that impacts TY and Avery both.

[Stephen]

I don't think he has to be a #1 WR. Steve Smith is 5 9" and he's a #1 WR...Yet Smith is alot stronger, but he is the same size height wise. I think T.Y could be that guy where his yards per catch is ridiculously high and has over 1000 yards a season like Mike Wallace, but isn't a true #1..

he's a true number one and brazil has number two potential if he gets more passes thrown his way

[Captain Americolt]

To be fair Hilton's stat line could look more evened out if he caught some of the dang balls. There were some games where he has 30-40 rec yards, but could've easily had 50-60 had he caught a perfectly thrown ball. He will get more consistent in time.

[Gavin]

I'd take a tall guy thats a 1 on 1 mismatch that can go up and get the ball as my #1

[Stephen]

I'd take a tall guy thats a 1 on 1 mismatch that can go up and get the ball as my #1

no thanks

[IndyTrav]

If you want to shine light on hilton's stats compare it to this
wayne 27 catches 345 yards o tds rookie year
harrison 64 catches 836 yards 8 tds
gonzalez 37 catches 576 yards 3 tds
collie 60 catches 676 yards 7tds
hilton 30 catches 455 yards 4 tds
I'll say hilton is right in the mix with the best of them and shoould finish with more yards and tds than collie and maybe more yards than harrison if he has a few big games also since donnie is hurt brazil's numbers should rise to

Harrison/Wayne did it against 2s

And even tho it's such a short time frame the NFL has changed drastically for WR.

[Captain Americolt]

he's a true number one and brazil has number two potential if he gets more passes thrown his way

Not yet that's for sure. Maybe not even ever. But we don't need him to be. We have two stud TE's which I believe could be a really good TEs in the future, Allen I believe could be a true #1 TE. And we will probably draft Reggie's replacement in a year or two, because none of the guys on our roster yell "#1 receiver" to me. I hope one of them proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

[Captain Americolt]

I'd take a tall guy thats a 1 on 1 mismatch that can go up and get the ball as my #1

Maybe we don't need a guy to go up and get a ball if our QB was accurate enough to not put it in that position, which Andrew Luck is. That #1 guy you want is a luxury, not a need. I prefer guys like Reggie and Marvin, who use precision and great ball skills to beat their man, not jump 10 feet in the air to catch an overthrown ball.

[IndyTrav]

Why can't Hilton be the next Steve smith, Marvin Harrison , little guy wideout? He is just as fast and has made some great catches. He can become more consistent with his catches. I am just saying that it is up to him and if he has that Jerry rice desire.

It's looking like Smith is the last one. He is something like 32/33.

I think the best representation of Hilton currently, and it recently drafted is the Maclin/Jackson combo in Philly.

[Gavin]

Hilton hasn't shown he has consistent hands or consistent numbers, 3 great games so far dont make him a #1

[IndyTrav]

Maybe we don't need a guy to go up and get a ball if our QB was accurate enough to not put it in that position, which Andrew Luck is. That #1 guy you want is a luxury, not a need. I prefer guys like Reggie and Marvin, who use precision and great ball skills to beat their man, not jump 10 feet in the air to catch an overthrown ball.

The problem is not many of these guys exist anymore. It's a different game. But at the same time why not get a guy who can do those things, AND go get the ball.

I'm trying to think of a player drafted in the last 6years that meets your criteria, and simply can't.

[Captain Americolt]

It's looking like Smith is the last one. He is something like 32/33.

I think the best representation of Hilton currently, and it recently drafted is the Maclin/Jackson combo in Philly.

Those guys have an erratic QB who sucks, we don't. Hilton was drafted in a spot where he can show his true potential, which may or may not be a #1 receiver. But I really don't care if he is or not. As long as he catches the ball more consistently (which he will in time) and stretches the field.