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#1 chadedward

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

Hope Disney doesn't mess this up.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:23 PM

Hope Disney doesn't mess this up.


Me too chadedward. See my article links on this merger on this topic on page 3. [Last 2 entries on this page.]

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:47 PM

This merger really ticks me off. What the bleep does Disney know about making compelling movies of suspense, drama, foreshadowing and intrigue? Answer: Absolutely nothing.

This isn't an after school special overflowing with political correctness and heartwarming sentimentality okay. Forget "Sleeping Beauty" or "Finding Nemo" okay.

Let the dilution of destruction of the best science fiction film saga in human cinematic history commence...

With the wussification of the best tale of my generation and around the world will now be demolished and destroyed S-L-O-W-L-Y piece by piece by piece... :wall: :yuk: :no: :nono:



George Lucas is officially dead to me now...He has become a corporate Sith overlord now overcome by pure greed...

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:59 PM

Can Peter Jackson, from the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, at least direct "Star Wars Episode 7" and Quentin Tarantino write the dialog/script please?!!

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:23 PM

Consolidation and monopolies with international film houses like Disney is a horrible idea IMO. If 1 or 2 entertainment cinema companies corner the market, you begin to live in a bubble and loose your raw fire, energy, and creativity that defined you as a young artist or upstart company. Competition brings out the best in people and Hollywood lots and film studios because it forces all the different entities to be at the top of their game for a customer's hard earned dollar. Consolidation and united monopolies breeds complacency, laziness, and poor execution and creativity overall.

Competition=Choices, hard work, and a stellar final result that satisfies everyone, Monopolies=Little motivation, a manufactured and lackluster final result, and a disappointed and ticked off fan base around the world.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:37 PM

I gotta ask myself is a possible bad Star Wars worse than no Star Wars at all?

Lol it's tough. I love this franchise so much. I think I'll go see it regardless lmao
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:41 PM

George Lucas is essentially a special effects expert, movie producer, and film editor too obsessed and preoccupied with camera angles, preservation, and technical film making...

He is not well versed in plot, foreshadowing, or riveting storytelling. In fact, George is simply deplorable in all the areas that lead to moving and fascinating film making. No one cares about fancy costumes, mind numbing dialog, or political mumbo jumbo that fails to serve the plot or move the story forward.

Here's what the audience wants to see george genuine tension that takes us to a compelling climax with symbolic light saber fights mixed in between. No stupid giraffe, no snot nosed little kid, no legislative drivel, and a real villain who is ruthless, diabolical, cruel, sadistic, power hungry, and loves it and wants more prestige, fame, and influence among the galaxy.

There is an age old rule in action adventure films like the original "Diehard" starring Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman. The villain must be on an equal or even superior footing with the hero. Otherwise, there is no real tension and the audience won't find the hero overcoming his enemy's obstacles impressive or compelling at all. The audience must believe that the villain might win and kill or defeat the hero. That's real tension...Genuine fear. Villains are always more crucial to a storyline then the hero.

Heck, sometimes, I even root for the villain to emerge victorious myself... :thmup:
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:06 PM

There is an age old rule in action adventure films like the original "Diehard" starring Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman. The villain must be on an equal or even superior footing with the hero. Otherwise, there is no real tension and the audience won't find the hero overcoming his enemy's obstacles impressive or compelling at all. The audience must believe that the villain might win and kill or defeat the hero. That's real tension...Genuine fear. Villains are always more crucial to a storyline then the hero.

Hans says "Shoot the glass" to his armed hench man because he knows that Detective John McClain is barefoot. Hans is equally as smart as John=real tension and drama IMO.

AKA A smart villain who could kill and defeat John McClain. George Lucas cannot comprehend this crucial fact unfortunately.



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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:25 PM

Lol it's tough. I love this franchise so much. I think I'll go see it regardless lmao


House,

I don't blame people for paying to go and see "Star Wars Episode 7." TBH, I will groan and moan about it, but I will fork over my hard earned dough to see it too. George Lucas and Disney still win no matter what and they are laughing their caboose off all the way to the bank. Those greedy, bloodsucking corporate overlords... :shifty: :flaming: :censored2: :hissy: :Gaah:

I don't might playing for quality, but that's the point. How do you define quality? Nice and pretty packaging with no tension, drama, or suspense or minimal set design, few explosions, and a memorable story that is classic and timeless?
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

House,

I don't blame people for paying to go and see "Star Wars Episode 7." TBH, I will groan and moan about it, but I will fork over my hard earned dough to see it too. George Lucas and Disney still win no matter what and they are laughing their caboose off all the way to the bank. Those greedy, bloodsucking corporate overlords... :shifty: :flaming: :censored2: :hissy: :Gaah:


haha no your points are well taken and well articulated. Without questions. I just ask myself when push comes to shove, will I be giving up my cash to see some space fights and light saber battles?

Overwhelmingly yes lol.

I have no will power :(
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

"At first I read this story and a giant knot welled up in my throat... I
wanted to cry. A fan since the beginning and know it's come to this.
However... considering the current state star wars is in, maybe this is a
good thing. I've seen The Avengers and what Disney has allowed for
Marvel, so I'll sit back with my comforting cup of Tea and let this
pass. I will wait, like all of us.
And when the movie does come out, I will judge then. could it be
terrible? Maybe. But could it not also be great?
Everyone have a good one."

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:53 PM

haha no your points are well taken and well articulated. Without questions. I just ask myself when push comes to shove, will I be giving up my cash to see some space fights and light saber battles?

Overwhelmingly yes lol.

I have no will power :(

"At first I read this story and a giant knot welled up in my throat... I
wanted to cry. A fan since the beginning and know it's come to this
.
However... considering the current state star wars is in, maybe this is a
good thing. I've seen The Avengers and what Disney has allowed for
Marvel, so I'll sit back with my comforting cup of Tea and let this
pass. I will wait, like all of us.
And when the movie does come out, I will judge then. could it be
terrible? Maybe. But could it not also be great?
Everyone have a good one."


I agree with both of you House and Horseshoe. The original Star Wars trilogy defined a significant portion of my adolescence and if you tamper with Star Wars you alter my childhood for the worse. Don't tarnish my good memories George. By messing with Star Wars, you are trampling on my positive and jubilant memories of my youth and I don't want to experience that colossal disappointment much further.

:sigh: Be Kind George and don't demolish this spectacular saga for me and millions of Star Wars fans forever. I have already endured this travesty below how much more do you expect us to endure Mr. Lucas?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:05 AM

I'm in the small percentile of men in my age group that has never seen any of the first three, or the second three and likely the next three.

Sci-fi was never my thing.. I remember getting some action figures as gifts for a birthday/Christmas etc from friends, but they were trade bait for sports cards... Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker for Walter Payton RCs sounds like a good trade..

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:05 AM

I'm in the small percentile of men in my age group that has never seen any of the first three, or the second three and likely the next three.

Sci-fi was never my thing.. I remember getting some action figures as gifts for a birthday/Christmas etc from friends, but they were trade bait for sports cards... Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker for Walter Payton RCs sounds like a good trade..


I can honestly say i'm with you on this one. People rave and rave and rave about star wars (no offense to anyone on this board) but man I just never got into the series. My brother loves it. Granted he is six years older than me so he watched it at the prime age for those who have become so enamored with it, but me; I'm just, meh about it.

I guess because it was so far ahead of its time the movie(s) were so great but I dunno, the cheesy light sabers, the tin can ventilator with "Luke, I am your father" it all just fell on deaf ears and eyes to me.

Being as how some people are upset that Disney is involved, I look at it this way. Disney is making it more marketable for all walks of life, especially younger children. Which then allows that awkward conversation as you sit down with your little one to watch the original star wars and they look at you and say something like" this was cool when you were a kid?"

I agree with both of you House and Horseshoe. The original Star Wars trilogy defined a significant portion of my adolescence and if you tamper with Star Wars you alter my childhood for the worse. Don't tarnish my good memories George. By messing with Star Wars, you are trampling on my positive and jubilant memories of my youth and I don't want to experience that colossal disappointment much further.


Southwest,
I can totally understand where you are coming from. At first, when I heard that Charlie and the Chocolate factory was being re-released I was outraged. Like you, that book and original movie (with Gene Wilder) was very near and dear to my heart. I boycotted the movie for as long as I could, then when I finally saw it, I was appreciative of where it went. Being that Tim Burton was involved I was able to appreciate the "slant" he took on the movie, making it "darker."

Same thing happened to me with Alice in Wonderland. Now, with this movie, Disney had their hands all over it and personally I loved it. Tim Burton again had his hands all over this one as well, but that is not my point. What can be done now with CGI and special effects could really make this movie spectacular? Star Wars in 3D? and i'm not talking about paper glasses with red and blue film. I don't know if you saw Avatar in 3d but I did and it was pretty incredible. Seeing a light saber come inches away from your nose could be pretty intense.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Disney isn't as bad as what maybe your preception may be of Disney. I would say, be cautiously optomistic that they could inject something into the franchise to make all you die-hard Star Wars fans forget about Jar Jar Binx.

good luck with it though. I can tell for some people this may be a very tough pill to swallow.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:35 AM

Ehhh...

That's like a good whiskey diluted with sirup...

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:45 AM

I'm in the small percentile of men in my age group that has never seen any of the first three, or the second three and likely the next three.

Sci-fi was never my thing.. I remember getting some action figures as gifts for a birthday/Christmas etc from friends, but they were trade bait for sports cards... Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker for Walter Payton RCs sounds like a good trade..


FJC,

I can appreciate that Sci-Fi is not everyone's cup of tea and they probably think people like me are more than a little nuts for my obsession with this whole Star Wars phenomenon. The original trilogy was so Frederick Jackson Turneristic, mind blowing, and groundbreaking in terms of technology, special effects, and the incorporation of a grand and illustrious musical score to convey emotional intensity that it was remarkable. And no one, and I mean no one, had ever seen a dark, nefarious, and ruthless villain like Darth Vader draped in black attire like this before. His breathing pattern made people with respitory disorders seem cool. Everybody in the theater knew upon seeing Vader the very first time that this person is somebody that you don't bleep with or underestimate or you will pay the ultimate price with your life. Vader was the epitome of strength, power, and confidence.

Flash forward to Yoda and you saw a tiny green creature with a fundamental comprehension of "The Force" that was incredible who taught Luke Skywalker how to harness and control his remarkable talents through being a valuable mentor and guide in Luke's life. By the time "Return Of The Jedi" hit the movie screen in 1986, my own parents were getting a divorce and the relationship between Luke Skywalker and his father Anakin Skywalker struck very close to home for me. Too close for comfort in fact TBH.

My own relationship with my father went through a landmark metamorphosis in 1986. Dad moved out and I only saw him on weekends now. And it felt like I was stuck between divided loyalties between my own mother and father. Why did this happen? Was I at fault here? What the Hades happened here man? To make a long story short, my relationship with my own father was in a precarious place and it felt like I was trying to save my own relationship with my father just like Luke Skywalker was trying to frantically locate goodness inside Darth Vader and find the humble and kind Anakin Skywalker. Luckily, my relationship with my father now is as steadfast and strong as ever, but for a very long time it felt like my dad had cut off my hand with a light saber or frozen my life in carbon nyte and I felt blind and disoriented for a very long time like Han Solo after being de thawed by Princess Leia.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:17 AM

FJC,

I can appreciate that Sci-Fi is not everyone's cup of tea and they probably think people like me are more than a little nuts for my obsession with this whole Star Wars phenomenon. The original trilogy was so Frederick Jackson Turneristic, mind blowing, and groundbreaking in terms of technology, special effects, and the incorporation of a grand and illustrious musical score to convey emotional intensity that it was remarkable. And no one, and I mean no one, had ever seen a dark, nefarious, and ruthless villain like Darth Vader draped in black attire like this before. His breathing pattern made people with respitory disorders seem cool. Everybody in the theater knew upon seeing Vader the very first time that this person is somebody that you don't bleep with or underestimate or you will pay the ultimate price with your life. Vader was the epitome of strength, power, and confidence.

Flash forward to Yoda and you saw a tiny green creature with a fundamental comprehension of "The Force" that was incredible who taught Luke Skywalker how to harness and control his remarkable talents through being a valuable mentor and guide in Luke's life. By the time "Return Of The Jedi" hit the movie screen in 1986, my own parents were getting a divorce and the relationship between Luke Skywalker and his father Anakin Skywalker struck very close to home for me. Too close for comfort in fact TBH.

My own relationship with my father went through a landmark metamorphosis in 1986. Dad moved out and I only saw him on weekends now. And it felt like I was stuck between divided loyalties between my own mother and father. Why did this happen? Was I at fault here? What the Hades happened here man? To make a long story short, my relationship with my own father was in a precarious place and it felt like I was trying to save my own relationship with my father just like Luke Skywalker was trying to frantically locate goodness inside Darth Vader and find the humble and kind Anakin Skywalker. Luckily, my relationship with my father now is as steadfast and strong as ever, but for a very long time it felt like my dad had cut off my hand with a light saber or frozen my life in carbon nyte and I felt blind and disoriented for a very long time like Han Solo after being de thawed by Princess Leia.


The personal perspective is touching, and while I do not know the ins and outs of the movies, the franchise is such a landmark that some of the story line is known to those that haven't watched so i can appreciate your connection to it and that having such a personal connection makes it easier to understand your fondness for it. My brother who's a bit younger, loves it. When he was a kid we had a next door neighbor who was his age and she loved even more than he did. Named her dog Saber.

It's not just Star Wars that I have failed to connect with, I was never big on Star Trek and back to the pre-cable days, with limited stations and only a handful of shows in full blown syndication, Star Trek, Andy Griffith, The Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island, as a kid, I was more fond of Andy & Barney, Gilligan & the Skipper as opposed to Kirk & Spock. Fred G. Sanford, George Jefferson and Archie Bunker were more interesting to me as well. I did watch the first Alien, not a fan.

I like the show Supernatural, but it's a bit different form of Sci-fi.

That is one good thing about this world. Not everyone likes exactly the same thing, and people enjoy various forms of entertainment.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:23 AM

Southwest,
I can totally understand where you are coming from. At first, when I heard that Charlie and the Chocolate factory was being re-released I was outraged. Like you, that book and original movie (with Gene Wilder) was very near and dear to my heart. I boycotted the movie for as long as I could, then when I finally saw it, I was appreciative of where it went. Being that Tim Burton was involved I was able to appreciate the "slant" he took on the movie, making it "darker."

Same thing happened to me with Alice in Wonderland. Now, with this movie, Disney had their hands all over it and personally I loved it. Tim Burton again had his hands all over this one as well, but that is not my point. What can be done now with CGI and special effects could really make this movie spectacular? Star Wars in 3D? and i'm not talking about paper glasses with red and blue film. I don't know if you saw Avatar in 3d but I did and it was pretty incredible. Seeing a light saber come inches away from your nose could be pretty intense.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Disney isn't as bad as what maybe your preception may be of Disney. I would say, be cautiously optomistic that they could inject something into the franchise to make all you die-hard Star Wars fans forget about Jar Jar Binx.

good luck with it though. I can tell for some people this may be a very tough pill to swallow.


You do make a valid point coltsfanmilyman. Tim Burton did do a nice film adaptation of "Alice In Wonderland." I will give the upcoming Star Wars film a fair shake and keep an open mind, but that's why I want a good script writer and a proven director who can deliver the Sci Fi goods with out fail. I'm telling you, delay production if you have to, but Peter Jackson and Quentin Tarantino would create and Star Wars masterpiece working side by side with 1 another. The finished product of cinema would be simply spectacular.

Dialog and genuine tension can make or break a movie and it can also determine a film's legacy and longevity to withstand the test of time too. Keep George Lucas away at all costs from the director's chair please and find an experienced director who knows what they are actually doing...J. J. Abrams who directed the latest "Star Trek" film would be a suitable choice for me to sit in the Star Wars directorial chair. J. J. Abrams completely re booted that entire Gene Roddenberry Sci Fi franchise and gave it a serious shot of adrenaline straight to the heart IMO, which it desperately needed.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:12 PM

The personal perspective is touching, and while I do not know the ins and outs of the movies, the franchise is such a landmark that some of the story line is known to those that haven't watched so i can appreciate your connection to it and that having such a personal connection makes it easier to understand your fondness for it. My brother who's a bit younger, loves it. When he was a kid we had a next door neighbor who was his age and she loved even more than he did. Named her dog Saber.

It's not just Star Wars that I have failed to connect with, I was never big on Star Trek and back to the pre-cable days, with limited stations and only a handful of shows in full blown syndication, Star Trek, Andy Griffith, The Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island, as a kid, I was more fond of Andy & Barney, Gilligan & the Skipper as opposed to Kirk & Spock. Fred G. Sanford, George Jefferson and Archie Bunker were more interesting to me as well. I did watch the first Alien, not a fan.

I like the show Supernatural, but it's a bit different form of Sci-fi.

That is one good thing about this world. Not everyone likes exactly the same thing, and people enjoy various forms of entertainment.


Yes FJC, you are probably right. My personal connection with the original Star Wars trilogy is directly tied to what was happening in my own life at the moment those films were actually released in the theaters. I cannot deny that crucial fact. If I took away my parents divorce would I still revere and respect this trilogy so much? I don't know, but it's a valid question to ask. I would still respect the trilogy immensely but just not with the same loyalty and emotionally intensity. I will admit that I had Star Wars bed sheets, a Darth Vader light switch cover in my bedroom, and I bought all the Star Wars toys and figures that I could get my hands on, let alone ask Santa Claus to bring me anyway. haha I'm such a nerd/geek it's not even funny. I'm at peace with it now though. :lol: I love Star Wars and JRR Tolkien's "Hobbit" and "Lord Of The Rings" trilogy on an almost equal level of emotional intensity. But, I would name a pet after a Star Wars piece of Jedi weaponry though. To each their own, I guess. I'm certainly in no position to judge anyone's crazy, over the top, or eccentric behavior on anything. We all have our hobbies and personal obsessions in this world.

Yes, not everyone has the same tastes in music, movies, TV shows, or entertainment preferences that is true. I have never seen the show "Supernatural", but since you like it it must be good. I will have to check it out now.

Lastly, I am aware that there is an intense rivalry between Star Wars and Star Trek fans in terms of which Sci Fi trilogy is better and some Star Wars fans might not be receptive to the idea of JJ Abrams directing a Star Wars film. However, Mr. Abrams did a beautiful job of honoring traditional Star Trek fans while moving the story for a whole new generation of fans. JJ Abrams, unlike George Lucas, listens to the fan base, asks for their input, and shows them what they wanna see. Something Lucas vehemently and defiantly refuses to do. That's why Star Wars fans have grown to despise and detest George Lucas with the heat and hot spot flames of a thousand suns combined. Either give me director Peter Jackson or JJ Abrams please. Quentin Tarantino has got to write the script though in order to give the dialog some teeth. This is mandatory IMO. If they are busy, I can wait. You can't rush perfection and sophistication baby...


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

Keep in mind she was a 10 year old girl at the time :). Saber is a better name than one of the Spice Girls, or one of the guys from one of those Boy Bands popular at the time.

I find the connections between the brothers in Supernatural a bit compelling and I guess I look at it a bit like you do Star Wars with some personal connections.

Let it be said I'm not chasing shape-shifters, vampires and ghosts, but I can relate to the older brother/younger brother connection in the show.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:37 PM

Keep in mind she was a 10 year old girl at the time :). Saber is a better name than one of the Spice Girls, or one of the guys from one of those Boy Bands popular at the time.

I find the connections between the brothers in Supernatural a bit compelling and I guess I look at it a bit like you do Star Wars with some personal connections.

Let it be said I'm not chasing shape-shifters, vampires and ghosts, but I can relate to the older brother/younger brother connection in the show.


haha No, I won't hold the name "Saber"against a 10 year old kid and yes that name is considerably better than a Spice Girls name. No argument there FJC.

I realize that some TV shows are perhaps odd and different in their storylines, which I won't criticize or condemn anybody for. It's like the 1st 80-100 pages of a spy/espionage novel; the author is laying down vital background information, which is often boring, laborious, and necessary. My point is: I give time for books, movies, shows, and people to grow on me and I never completely fall prey to 1st impressions good, bad, indifferent, or fantastic. I will watch "Supernatural" with an open mind more than once. I can promise you that FJC paying close attention to the brothers as you suggest. ;) :thmup:
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:53 PM

who really cares. there hasn't been good star wars since the empire strikes back. could disney really screw it up any worse????

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:19 PM

who really cares. there hasn't been good star wars since the empire strikes back. could disney really screw it up any worse????


When it comes to director George Lucas, the benchmark of garbage and disappointment is at an all time high or is that a low? haha :lol: Lucas's uncanny ability to royally mess things up on a colossal level beyond recognition and repair is fascinating to me in a morbid kind of way. Just when I think that George can't sink the Star Wars franchise any lower, he always does just like precision clockwork; it never fails.

Oh yes shakedownstreet, it can get much, much worse I'm afraid. Lucas can make the 1912 Titanic disaster seem like a peaceful, capsized boat in calm waters just before the white water rapids suck you under to meet your maker in the afterlife. It's not a pretty picture and I have serious reservations about the direction that Lucas will take this new Star Wars chapter IMO.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

Enjoy the old and hopefully embrace the new in its own right and place. I loved Star Wars and still rewatch each one from time to time. Stood in line at midnight when the first one came out and premiered. The technology and special effects make the movies and the technology gets better and more dymanic all the time. As a kid, I loved Flash Gordon and Commando Cody, look at those now and that equals cheesy, but loved them then and interesting to watch an old film now and then to bring back the memories.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

There an old saying which applies to boxers, football players, writers, and directors, "Keep you eye on the prize." It means remember what you are fighting for and the people or audience you are serving...Always asking the question: Does this action serve a common goal? Whether it be for a Championship belt, a Vince Lombardi Trophy, or a gripping storyline and cinematic work of lasting art worthy of the National Film Archives for posterity and subsequent generations of fans and interested or curious patrons...

George Lucas can't keep his "eye on the prize" and ask: Does this action serve the storyline or not? If not, trash it and move onto the next phase. And surround yourself with people who will tell you honestly if a scene or an implemented idea on film looks like crap and needs to be discarded immediately. This usually leads to solid film making that people recall fondly for all the right reasons IMO.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:19 PM

Enjoy the old and hopefully embrace the new in its own right and place. I loved Star Wars and still rewatch each one from time to time. Stood in line at midnight when the first one came out and premiered. The technology and special effects make the movies and the technology gets better and more dymanic all the time. As a kid, I loved Flash Gordon and Commando Cody, look at those now and that equals cheesy, but loved them then and interesting to watch an old film now and then to bring back the memories.


Maybe that's my problem Coltman51; I need to separate the original 1977 trilogy from the new prequels. However, if we are supposed to view them as 1 continuous greek tragedy with 6 Chapters in it, by Lucas's own admission, that is virtually impossible to do right George? I will try to be objective with the new chapters, but I can't promise anything.

When something is directly tied to your generation and it coincided with a crucial event like a divorce at the same time, it's hard to cut the umbilical cord and "throw out the baby with the bathwater" though. Not an easy proposition to pull off. Kind of like your youthful connection to "Flash Gordon" and "Commando Cody." You grew up with them and they played a crucial role in your childhood. Believe me Coltman51 I get it. I understand and I fully comprehend the situation completely. Just don't spit on my positive memories George Lucas; Please be respectful. That's all I ask. Thank you.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:16 PM

Disney has done a good job of classy with the Marvel Universe so hopefully they'll do the same with the Star Wars Universe.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:16 PM

I am a Star Wars fan from the beginning....

And Lucas totally whiffed on the EP XXXX whatever series. I hated it.

But, from the little bit I have read Lucas is stepping down from the "throne"...


This could be truly EPIC if done right...
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:20 PM

You do make a valid point coltsfanmilyman. Tim Burton did do a nice film adaptation of "Alice In Wonderland." I will give the upcoming Star Wars film a fair shake and keep an open mind, but that's why I want a good script writer and a proven director who can deliver the Sci Fi goods with out fail. I'm telling you, delay production if you have to, but Peter Jackson and Quentin Tarantino would create and Star Wars masterpiece working side by side with 1 another. The finished product of cinema would be simply spectacular.

Dialog and genuine tension can make or break a movie and it can also determine a film's legacy and longevity to withstand the test of time too. Keep George Lucas away at all costs from the director's chair please and find an experienced director who knows what they are actually doing...J. J. Abrams who directed the latest "Star Trek" film would be a suitable choice for me to sit in the Star Wars directorial chair. J. J. Abrams completely re booted that entire Gene Roddenberry Sci Fi franchise and gave it a serious shot of adrenaline straight to the heart IMO, which it desperately needed.

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I think JJ did a wonderful job with Star Trek. I consider myself somewhat of a Trekkie (TOS) and was pretty concerned when he has rebooting the franchise. Loved it.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

Can Peter Jackson, from the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, at least direct "Star Wars Episode 7" and Quentin Tarantino write the dialog/script please?!!

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Or Joss Whedon?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:03 PM

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:04 PM

Another stark difference between Lucas and Disney, Episode 7 will be out the same year as Avengers 2.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:13 PM

George Lucas actually referred to how much criticism he took about his additions to the OT and how most fans dislike the prequels. He asked why should he make more Starwars movies if he was going to be hated for it. I wonder if he was right? he got over 4 billion, the move gives new interest to the franchise than Lucas could, and maybe he gets the last laugh because Disney might get more criticism then he ever did.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:24 PM

Maybe that's my problem Coltman51; I need to separate the original 1977 trilogy from the new prequels. However, if we are supposed to view them as 1 continuous greek tragedy with 6 Chapters in it, by Lucas's own admission, that is virtually impossible to do right George? I will try to be objective with the new chapters, but I can't promise anything.

When something is directly tied to your generation and it coincided with a crucial event like a divorce at the same time, it's hard to cut the umbilical cord and "throw out the baby with the bathwater" though. Not an easy proposition to pull off. Kind of like your youthful connection to "Flash Gordon" and "Commando Cody." You grew up with them and they played a crucial role in your childhood. Believe me Coltman51 I get it. I understand and I fully comprehend the situation completely. Just don't spit on my positive memories George Lucas; Please be respectful. That's all I ask. Thank you.


I think Disney needs to forget doing episode 7-9, they need to start a new story, maybe 1 that starts long before the prequels or long after the original trilogy

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I think Disney needs to forget doing episode 7-9, they need to start a new story, maybe 1 that starts long before the prequels or long after the original trilogy


I like your idea here Joker similar to what director Christopher Nolan has done with the Dark Night Batman trilogy. Nolan looked at Tim Burton's version and Joel Schumacher's version of Batman on the Big screen and he said these interpretations are horrible. Let's start this whole franchise and genre over from scratch. Absolutely no directing, script writing, or story board sequencing from George Lucas under any circumstances. Stick with producing and special effects George. You suck at everything else quite frankly.

"maybe 1 that starts long before the prequels or long after the original trilogy." Here's a plot idea/stream of brain storming consciousness: The illegitimate love child of Chancellor Palpatine and the blue Jedi female Jedi with large strands of tentacles emanating from her head etc. [See images below] is more diabolical and cruel than Darth Vader and Lord Sidious combined. Evil never really dies. It just lies dormant until conditions are perfect to re emerge again.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 03:23 PM

I am rather excited to see what Disney can do with Star Wars after seeing what they gave us with Avengers. Heck they cannot do any worse then the first couple of the prequels so they will all ready be steps ahead of Lucas.

I would like to see Joker's idea and just go with another story in the Star Wars universe.

I still cannot forgive Lucas and Spielberg for what they did to Indiana Jones.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:26 PM

Where does 7 start?
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:28 PM

Another stark difference between Lucas and Disney, Episode 7 will be out the same year as Avengers 2.

Crossover!! Lol.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

I am rather excited to see what Disney can do with Star Wars after seeing what they gave us with Avengers. Heck they cannot do any worse then the first couple of the prequels so they will all ready be steps ahead of Lucas.

I would like to see Joker's idea and just go with another story in the Star Wars universe.

I still cannot forgive Lucas and Spielberg for what they did to Indiana Jones.

Yeah what Lucas and Spielberg did to Indy in that Southpark episode was brutal. I don't think Lucas will be involved in any major way with the new movie, maybe not at all. Cannon for the brand is basically set, they wouldn't need to refer to Lucas about the Starwars universe.




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